Update On Ellsworth AFB Famcamp Mismanagement
Not only does the MWR Director think the Ellsworth AFB famcamp is Club Med by the prices they charge, but now (my sources tell me) they are going to allow civilian contractors who do not have a valid military ID to occupy six of the sites during prime season. Does anyone see anything wrong with this? If you risk life and limb, long deployments and multiple hardships for your country and earn the right to a valid military ID card, I think you should be able to enjoy a few benefits. I think that civilian contractors should be barred from using military facilities when they crowd out the people who earned the right to use those facilities in the first place. Just another reason to stay at a Passport America campgrounds off base – much cheaper and nicer! JimLabels: Ellsworth AFB
9 Comments:
I need more info before making a judgment.
1. what are the contractors building? IS the work for the Famcamp or for the AFB?
2. Is the work something the Famcamp residents would approve of?
3. Is these somewhere else close by that these people could stay?
4. Will letting the contractors stay at the famcamp significantly decrease the time and/or the cost of the construction?
5. HOW MANY sites are at this Famcamp?
Are 6 sites a significant number?
By kay1328, at June 23, 2007 4:52 AM
I feel the same way. The military set space aside and provided money to develop camp grounds for service men and women to spend quality time with there families. This also includes retired military.This doesn't include charging exorbinate prices and setting space aside for civilian contractors.
Rick Jackson
Retired Army
By Rick, at June 23, 2007 5:40 AM
Retired USN. I feel this is for Retired and Active duty personnel only. Period. We earned it.
By Bob, at June 23, 2007 6:10 AM
It is my experience that the MWR management does not give a hoot for the military. They get their paychecks whether or not the campgrounds are filled or attractive. Our local SMART chapter (all military-retired or active) cannot have a 'muster' mid-week, late September at Camp Pendleton unless we pay the guest rate--a whopping $35.00 a night. Yet we have encountered lots of civilian, non-privileged campers there. Go figure!
By Suzanne, at June 23, 2007 7:38 AM
The contractor's company gets paid plenty of $$$ to put these guys up in a hotel. Any money they don't spend on per diem for THEIR employees is pure profit for the company. Besides... I can assure you that I don't want them as my neighbors when on base.
By Eric, at June 23, 2007 10:53 AM
Same situation at Edwards AFB, CA. I have been turned away because the CG was full of contractor personnel. Not much place to go out there.
Bob
By bobjanpotts, at June 23, 2007 11:52 AM
I seldom stay at famcamps anymore. Have hads too much rudeness from mwr guys ,often retired military that like to throw their rank around. I spent lots of time at Beale when it was managed by Gary and Noyia Garvin. It is not a good place to stay anymore
By Bob Spiller, at June 23, 2007 12:39 PM
We have encountered the same problems as well. We can all come up with other what I call abuses.
When travelers cannot get a space because people are living at the camp months at a time, I call that abuse. I have seen retired guys living at a camp and holding a full time job off base.
Phil
By Phil, at June 24, 2007 7:26 AM
Every military campground is different, mainly who manages it and what they want. If the campground is located in an isolated area and the contractor is doing work on the campground I would say okay, only if enough space. In other areas, a flat NO. The Washington State military campgrounds have been very nice $15 per night, but the several in California have been so-so - mainly the management and price from $15 to $45 per night. As a retired Navy, I was surprised by the cost of the cg at Pt Hueneme Seabee Base - too high for retired or active personnel.
Rich
By Anonymous, at July 23, 2007 4:37 PM
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