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Thursday, May 8, 2008

Would You Like Chips and Salsa With Your RV Paint Job?

Shelly & Steve Lechner are full-time RVers traveling North America in their 1999 Safari Trek. This couple recently took their motorhome into Mexico to be professionally painted by the Navarro Brothers and saved mucho dinero - $4,000 dollars. Here they are with Mr. Navarro and the finished coach.The paint on their aluminum sided Trek was beginning to bubble and corrode. The bubble trouble was especially apparent around the rivets. Steve says that during the sanding process they found several places where the corrosion had completely eaten through the siding.I asked Steve what gave him the idea to have the work done in Mexico and he said a fellow RVer suggested he contact them. He Googled “Navarros Paint Shop,” then called to set up a date and time to meet Mr Navarro at the border for an estimate.

Steve and Shelly drove to the border and stayed at the Happy Hollow RV Park. Here is an aerial view I took while hiking on the mountain overlooking the campground. The park is located on an Indian reservation just outside the border crossing into Los Algodones, Mexico (pictured below). The photo also shows the the parking lot on the U.S. side which belongs to the Indian reservation. You may park there at a cost of $5.00 a day and walk across the border - RV parking is also available). Steve met Mr. Navarro at the park where he provided a detailed list of what he wanted done and Mr. Navarro gave him an estimate.Steve says, “A list of everything you want done is a MUST, and I mean everything! they do good work but they don't read minds. You need to list things like the steps, the wiper blade arms the jack plates the mirrors etc. I went over my list and explained what I wanted done, he inspected the coach and we bargained a little and settled on a price.
They did a professional job of preparation and applying three coats of paint.I asked Steve what he would do differently if he were to do this project again? He said, “If we were to do it again, we would not plan on living in the coach while the work is being done." "There are several hotels and a nice bed & breakfast within walking distance.The refrigerator needs to be secured during painting (a fire hazard in the paint booth). Take several cases of water and snacks. Plan on inspecting the coach at least twice a day, this way you can ensure they are doing everything to your satisfaction. Women seem to have an eye for detail so use em gents!”Steve and Shelly purchased auto insurance form Sanborns in Yuma, Arizona which cost them around $11.00 a day. They crossed into Mexico at Los Algodones with no problems. Passports will be required next year. Firearms and ammunition are strictly prohibited in Mexico and possession will bring an automatic prison sentence.I asked Steve if he was satisfied with the quality of work and would he do it again? He replied, “All said and done we were are very satisfied with the work. Is it perfect? No, but what is? I would do it again in a New York second.”Personally I’m a huge fan of Los Algodones, Mexico and enjoy eating in the restaurants, shopping in the stores and using the dentists and pharmacies so abundant there. I agree with Steve when he says, “The people of Algodones are a proud lot and speak far better english than most of us speak Spanish. It is in their nature to bargain and deal. Treat them with respect, and remember all of this when Mr. Navarro gives you the quote.”

Brushing up on my Spanish - Jim Twamley, Professor of RVing

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19 Comments:

  • Realizing that the total cost depends on what needs to be done, it would help if the article had given a range that might be expected rather than a savings of $4,000.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 10, 2008 3:32:00 AM PDT  

  • I wonder what the net effect of one more person taking their business out of this country is? If we subtract the costs of unemployment benefits for two more laid off painters from this $4000 and then the loss of $500 - $800 in state sales tax revenue. I am afraid that we all have to give up some hard earned money to pay for the savings of giving those jobs to Mexico.

    By Anonymous SHvnDave, at May 10, 2008 4:26:00 AM PDT  

  • I was wondering if it cost $4000 to paint the coach or if they saved that much money ,what was the cost to paint it?
    Kenny

    By Blogger Kenneth, at May 10, 2008 6:16:00 AM PDT  

  • So what was the cost to paint the coach ? Do they charge by the foot ?

    By Blogger Tony Verhagen, CRS, e-PRO, at May 10, 2008 7:09:00 AM PDT  

  • I read the article and still do not know what a $4000 savings means. I have been given estimates of $3000 (two color) - $6000 (like showroom new) to paint my 30' Class A Pace Arrow. What should I expect in Mexico?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 10, 2008 8:54:00 AM PDT  

  • So what was the total cost? What about the decals,did they remove them or just taped them off??

    By Anonymous hdtaber, at May 10, 2008 9:31:00 AM PDT  

  • Hi, We spent the winter in Yuma and went to Los Algodones quite a few times to shop and eat.. I was not aware of the paint and upholstery shop.. We will check it out next time.. Love the restaurants there... great food and nice folks... Rosco

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 10, 2008 11:34:00 AM PDT  

  • I wonder what the net effect of keeping one or two men in Mexico employed is rather than having them illegally enter our country and bring their families along with them so we can help support them for how many years?

    I recently had dental work done in Mexico for 1/3 the cost quoted by a dentist in the U.S.

    By Anonymous theoakman, at May 10, 2008 12:05:00 PM PDT  

  • I've asked Steve to respond to some of your questions here. As far as money going into Mexico you need to think about economics in a global framework now. RVing across America I've seen hundreds of factories closed down because the jobs went overseas where the manufacturing was cheaper. When you shop at WalMart you are shopping in China. When you buy fresh fruit and vegetables in winter you are shopping in Chili and Mexico. When you buy a certain brand of shoes you're shopping in Vietnam. You can cry about the lack of jobs but to be fair we must learn to compete in a global economy. Just because we are Americans doesn't guarantee us a right to a job. The marketplace determines whether you have a paycheck or not and we can cry about it all we want but until we become price competitive in the global arena we will just be whining. Saving money by going to Mexico, Canada, Germany, China or anywhere else is just smart. Why should we reward a U.S. economy or government that doesn't want to compete with the rest of the world? As for me, I'm voting with my checkbook - and my checkbook says do business wherever you can make the most and save the most money. It's just simple math. Last time I checked we still live in a free country with free markets. If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you from cradle to grave then I would suggest moving to Denmark. Americans should be market competitors not market complainers . Jim Twamley

    By Blogger Jim Twamley, at May 10, 2008 1:17:00 PM PDT  

  • Right on with your answer Jim, couldn't have said it better myself. Lot of whiners in the States instead of doers. Chris

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 10, 2008 2:04:00 PM PDT  

  • Why reward a U.S. economy Jim? How about paying people fair wages for work and services? Look around some of those countries you listed and compare their standard of living. We have a free market but we also have laws that give diginity to people and respect how workers are to be treated in the workplace. We have laws in our county about hours a person can be made to work and laws to protect children. It sounds like now that you're set, damn the standard of living for future Americans. You voted with your checkbook all right.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 10, 2008 11:40:00 PM PDT  

  • I see what you mean by whiners,YOU certainly are one .Why don't you move to the country of your choice?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 11, 2008 5:38:00 AM PDT  

  • I agree with saving money and a world economy. We are becoming a one world economy. If you don't want that, then take away the web and it's way of life for all of us.

    I would take my RV to mexico in the drop of a hat as long as the price and quality was acceptable.

    We should be concerned with get our energy costs down. Where is the shortage? The 70's had fuel rationing. We could drill in Alaska and other places. We could have more refineries. As the public we are left with few choices but to pay for the fuel, so I am darn well going to save on the paint job to pay for the fuel.

    Go to Mexico for the Paint so that you can pay for the fuel.

    Roger Edwards

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 11, 2008 6:45:00 PM PDT  

  • Hey I am for the lowest price for quality work that I can get…. As I am sure all of us are. No one wants to just GIVE our money to someone else and get nothing in return. I think we can all agree on those items anyway. It is just the consequences of our actions that we are in disagreement on.

    The “Free Market” is a wonderful thing. At least until you loose your shirt and are forced to fire all of your employees who have families that are depending on their jobs to just “get by”. Let’s face it; anyone who is “working” in any sort of factory in the U.S. today is not getting rich. Our employees are just “getting by” and for how long will they be “getting by”? Our companies today can’t afford to pay them very much more and stay in business.

    So, what is to be done? Most companies have or are making the choice to “stay in business” and move manufacturing to the countries that offer “lower cost” production., if they don’t the companies will fail. But that brings us back to what to do with (or for) the folks who used to have a decent paying job in those companies.

    “NOTHING” is a good answer given by most of the “winners” (winners are defined as those who have some sort of needed skill that is still much in demand or those who have “made theirs” and are secure, of which I am one, I should admit). But that does not solve the problem, does it? If we do nothing we have just made a permanent “underclass” which has no hope of ever leaving that class… remember that the hope of “moving up” is what made our country. “The USA, the country that anyone can make it, they only need to work hard and keep going”. Most hard working factory workers in our beloved county are beginning to no longer believe that statement.

    Paraphrasing what Lee Iacocca once said (when addressing folks who wanted to lower his automobile factory workers hourly wage): Who do you think buys our cars? The workers do! They can’t afford our cars if they are not able to earn a reasonable wage. If we can’t sell them new cars we go out of business.

    We need to figure out something and soon. The more than 50% of our population who are the “workers” in our country can’t all be Doctors, Lawyers, Professors, and other highly educated people like Engineers etc. We need “reasonably paid” jobs for the masses. The masses are the folks who BUY our companies products. Let’s stop complaining about it and figure out what to do about the problem. Because it IS A PROBLEM and the sooner we fix it the better.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 11, 2008 11:49:00 PM PDT  

  • For those of you who want a cost comparison, I can give you 2 examples from my own experience. I had a Mazda pickup truck that had several dents in it as well as a bashed in tail gate, bent rear bumper broken park light and tail light assy's. Estimate for repairs in Yuma AZ was $3,439.00 I got it done with a complete paint job and new parts for $900.00 at the Navarro Bros.body shop in Algodones Mexico
    A savings of $2500.00. Last November had a Honda accord that was side swiped Estimate for repairs in Yuma AZ was over $3900 Dollars. Got it reparied and repaired and painted at Navrro Bros for $700.00 $3200.00 saving.
    MH

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 13, 2008 9:02:00 AM PDT  

  • Hi All
    Jim thanks for doing a great job on posting the story on my paint job.
    First off there is no way to give an estimate on a coach until Mr. Navarro sees the coach.
    Our safari trek has aluminum sides and fiberglass end caps.
    If you look at the pictures you can see we had an extensive amount of work done.
    Six full work days often three or more men sanding, filling and sanding again at the same time.
    Three full coats of Diamont Paint and three full coats of clear coat.
    Every day one of the Navarro brothers inspected the work at leas three times a day.
    Keep in mind our coach is only 28 ft long.
    Total cost for what you see was $2,250.00
    Steve Lechner
    99-2830 Safari Trek

    By Anonymous Steve, at May 13, 2008 4:24:00 PM PDT  

  • Thanks Jim,

    For the article and also for trying to get thru to the global whiners.

    Those poor poor people in other countries, where thier children make more than their farm peasant parents do! Whoa is meeee! I spoke to several kids when doing interviews for a documentary I was filming, and the overwhelming response was something like, "I as a child, I can work in the fields and make less than my parents, or, I can work in a factory where I have a roof over my head, and food on the table. I make more money in a day than BOTH my parents do in a WEEK. I dont spend it on videogames I help buy my parents more land to farm, and money for improvements to our modest home. We do not want your pitty, you handouts or your "loans". We want the respect of our neighbors and we earn it every day by the sweat of our labor". At first I was shocked, then more than a little embarrased...

    Stop with the child labor BS, if they were not working in this factory they would be working in the fields, or a small shop, or selling chicklets to tourists! That is because culturally, the entire family contributes to the good of the family. If you can walk you can gather wood... If you can ride a bicycle you can go to the market. The idea of a wonderful play filled childhood is mostly a US made fantasy. I look at vietnamese families in the US and Grandma is out there digging thru dumpsters getting cans and bottles. She is not HOMELESS, she is not Destitute... She is CONTRIBUTING to the family unit.

    In the countries you mention, much of the populace's standard of living is poor, giving them a job to raise that standard of living is a GOOD thing. Yes they are paid less than here, but if you just packed them up and shipped em here and threw more money at them, you would have the arguments coming from the guys complaining about "unemployed auto painters" getting their jobs stolen.

    Stop demonizing every situation where someone does not live at the standard of living YOU DO. Would it be nice to bring everyone in a poverty situation in those countries up to even what is considered poverty in the US? Sure it would.

    But those same people who whine and complain about how poorely the factory workers are treated would not be caught dead without thier fashion accessories, thier latest electronic gizmo or the best coffee.

    Who do you think made those things? GET A LIFE!!! If you REALLY want to make a change, join the Peace Corps or join the ARMY.... everything else is just "carbon credits", Smoke and Mirrors, and BS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at May 13, 2008 9:40:00 PM PDT  

  • how do we get a hold of them? the 928-345-2750 number listed on line is disconnected. we live in phoenix, and would like to talk to one of them before heading down there. any thoughts?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 26, 2008 9:00:00 AM PDT  

  • I happen to have one their business cards, and on the back is their website, www.navarrosshop.com and email address, enrique@navarrosshop.com.

    I plan to visit them this fall to see if they'll repaint my 11 y/o pickup truck.

    By Anonymous Doug, at August 24, 2008 8:12:00 PM PDT  

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