Are we humans doing things to our planet that is causing it to become dangerously warm? Or it just another weather cycle that has nothing to do with humans? We realize this is a controversial subject, so if you choose to comment, keep it civil and constructive. No name calling. Educated opinions invited. Uneducated ones are not.
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As long as the planet cools, the weather will change. Other things causing change are-(1) the North pole is now Not at the North Pole. It’s now miles out of place. I don’t recall how many miles but it is substantial, and a concern. The worry is the poles may switch places.(2) Also, the earth has developed a wobble that may have an effect. The earth’s core has moved out of balance.(3) These scientists have almost no grant money except from their government. Don’t you think they’d say anything to get the grant? You can bet the bank on it.
First, you have to fall for the global warming scam.
No mention of the elephant in the sky, geoengineering, of course. The main cause of climate distress is the one no one is allowed to speak of.
No. It’s been warmer in the past (1500’s) with higher CO2 levels. Every 250 years we gain a few degrees and then lose a few degrees. We’re near the peak temps now and will begin to gradually fall over the next 250 years. The year 2500’s will be simular as today’s temps. The real problem is Climate Change people making unnessary changes (ie get rid of fossil fuels) that really don’t solve the problem but create others (ie food, transportation) yet will claim “victory” 200 years from now because temperatures are failing.
You mean it’s been warmer in the past with LOWER CO2 levels. Right?
Yes, I believe it and without equivocation. Its measurable on several fronts. For example, the increase of CO2, the increase of other gases, the melting of ice around the world, glacial melting, faltering weather patterns, etc. We’ve been pointing this problem out for at least fifty years and humanity is just not willing to make some very tough decisions. Lifestyles are going to change dramatically. Births minus deaths times natality divided by resource (where R can be limited or constant) is the usual axiomatic formula but the reality is that there are 7 billion on the planet and tonight, by midnight, 4 billion must go. All 7 billion seek the comfort of current residents earning perhaps a million $$ per year. Sustainability is a moronic joke. Desperate poverty is the needed factual existence required for the world’s survival. Consumption is, perhaps, the singular notion we all need to change. Reduce the waste, lower the population numbers, lower the consumption of resources.
CO2 is not a driver of climate change. The sun is.
Great comment Donn!
Recently, a report came out about Climate Change/Global Warming. It was signed by 11,000 scientists from around the world. There were 2 main conclusions:
* Climate Change/GW is anthropogenic.
* America and the rest of the planet are grossly overpopulated. The sustainable population of the U.S. is about 150-175,000,000 people — about half of our current number.
11,000 scientists signed off on that.
Yet the US can feed its population and others.
I do, but the driving issue is the population – more than the planet can support, and as 3rd world countries become more industrialized which is adding to the pollution. America has it’s issues but we are far from the major issue.
Humans have always had an effect on our environment. That being said, the effect has always been temporary. The amount of power in humans is small but the power of nature is just awesome.
I disagree…humankind is a parasitic infection on this planet and Mother Nature has had enough! If you objectively evaluate exactly what our impact on this planet has been, it is massive….drilling for oil, mining for ore, burning for heat, dumping for expediency…there has been no human activity that hasn’t been damaging to this planet. I believe our time here is coming to an end. I also believe that after we are removed, the Earth will repair itself within a very short time, maybe 50-100 years. The natural world is a balance of give and take… in the human world, it is all take!
I believe the sun is heating up the planet increasing the internal volcano system
Interior earth temperature is about 11000 deg F. The highest air temperature ever recorded is 134 deg F. A cooler object can’t heat up a warmer object.
Absolutely, without a doubt. Whether you measure out atmosphere in ppm or mg/L, the problem is well established. I often opened lectures with the observation that “There are 6.5 billion persons living on this planet. Tonight, by midnight, 4 billion must go. However, it must be the right 4 billion so I will begin picking after the first class break.” After due discussion, folks began to recognize just how intense and desperate this problem actually has become. Short of the story….there is nothing we can do. Its already loo late.
What are the lectures about? How to construct a science fiction story?
Patrick Moore would have fun sitting in your class Donn, but then he wouldn’t get in the door, your message and his are totally opposed – his based on science yours based on a job to spread IPCC propaganda to a vulnerable audience and get paid for it.
On a recent trip to Alaska we toured a couple of glaciers. The ranger giving the tour said the glacier was disappearing about 75 feet per year do to global warming. I ask how long have they been recording the receding glacier, he stated since 1760 it has lost between 50 and 75 feet per year. Now I can only assume the early frontier people were driving non emission controlled F350’s dumping CO2 all over our planet. The facts don’t line up with man contributing to global warming when you look at the history of the earth’s climate.
Glacier National Park has been warning about the coming disappearance of the glaciers by posting signs around the park that say “Gone by 2020”.
Actually, in recent years the glaciers have begun expanding again, and park officials have been discreetly removing the ominous signs and language from their brochures.
Ya, 100 years ago a very large ship hit one of hundreds of icebergs drifting in the north Atlantic due to a massive and unusual proliferation of them at that time.. Big loss of life that one. Not much at the time to blame on man made CO2 -was there?
Where I live in Alberta Canada the house here was under a sheet of ice some scientists claim was half a mile deep. What happened? No humans driving gas guzzling SUV’s to cause that., and today potatoes, carrots and cactus grow like crazy here.
The premise that CO2 is the major driver of man-made global warming is false. Water vapor is the major greenhouse gas. Increases in temperature results in increasing CO2, not vice-versa. It is a fact that the greenhouse effect of CO2 is logarithmic, not linear or exponential. This means that it takes a tremendously greater increase in CO2 concentration for each successive degree of heat due to CO2. At our current concentrations of about 400 ppm, the power of CO2 to increase temperature is almost entirely used up. It is only possible for CO2 to increase global warming by about 0.2 degrees C more, no matter how much higher CO2 concentration rises.
Global cooling will kill us all. No, acid rain will kill us all. No, a hole in the ozone layer will kill us all. No, global warming will kill us all. No, climate change will kill us all.
The “science” was “settled” on all of the above.
But the solution is simple. More taxes. And funding for the “scientists” to prove the theories they formulate before even beginning to research.
If those who voted yes truly believe that humans are the reason for global warming, and you answered this question on an RV website, you should quickly sell your rig and help stop the earth from warming. You will open up that many more sites too!
….and the beat goes on! Questions: Probably where you are sitting or standing right now – a few billion years ago there was a glacier – where is it today; and when did it get there – 2011?
Regardless of where you fall on this discussion, be aware of one thing. We are not destroying the earth! Mother Earth will be just fine. Humans may not be able to live here, but the world will go on.
I firmly believe in natural (not human induced) historical climate oscillations and I believe that we are now going into a period that repeats every few hundred years called a “Grand Solar Minimum”. I also believe that “Global Warming” is a political issue being hyped solely for the benefit of the minority left wing to solicit sympathy and support.
I have lived in Florida for 64 years and I know the weather has changed, it is getting hotter, a lot hotter. We used to have real winters, sometimes with light snow.
In the summer we had rains for around 30 minutes every day at 4pm. Not anymore.
High tides are much higher now than when I was young.
Our springs are running dry.
I am sure there is more evidence than just this but many people don’t care. Many feel the best way to handle an issue is to ignore it, not to explore it. I don’t.
So, is man responsible for this warming?
So Marty, have you sold your fossil fuel guzzling RV and are tent camping now?
I’m shocked at how many drank the Kool Aid and became drunk. Al Gore is laughing all the way to the bank daily. Send me a check and I’ll plant a tree for you. Every one needs something to do and those with nothing jumped on this bandwagon of global warming until that came up short and now it is climate change. Of course it changes, has for billions of years and will continue.
Drop me a note for the address to send that check. I have a lot of ground to add trees on.
And Barack and Michelle Obama bought an $11.75 million beach home on Martha’s Vineyard.
Contributing or creating ? A huge difference. A stacked deck question. If and until all the rest of the industrial countries deal with their pollution ( Hydrocarbons, NOx and CO) as well as the USA did theirs, then the USA should do NOTHING. I am so sick of globalist claiming that it is all the fault of people when the data is sketchy at best.