Gradually, around the USA, state governors are relaxing self-quarantining requirements. Some are easing in to a full reopening of the economy, only allowing the opening of some businesses where there’s minimal human-to-human contact – including campgrounds and RV parks. Others are fully opening – restaurants, movie theaters, hair styling salons, bowling alleys – virtually everything.
Many scientists and medical experts say this is a recipe for disaster. Others say it needs to be done to help the economy and stop the bleeding of jobs, where 20.5 million were lost in April alone.
What do you think? Are we cruisin’ for a bruisin’ or just doing what’s best, all things considered?
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I beleive that the economy must be opened up, but with that, I believe that we will see an inevitable spike in new infections. Even tho many of us will not venture out much and still others will be careful, many totally refuse to practice common sense rules like social distancing. We are a mobile society and that contributes to the spread. There is no clear evidence that you can’t be infected twice either. None of us really know what will happen, but we’ll find out soon enough. Let’s hope and pray that it isn’t bad. Meanwhile let’s get back to our lives and be as safe as possible.
I think common sense is the rule here. THINK about what your doing or going to do and do it safely.
You cannot live in a state of fear. STOP LISTENING TO THE MEDIA WHO IS DRIVING THIS FEAR MONGERING AND SPECTACTULARIZING OF THIS VIRUS. If you do nothing, you, your neighbors, the state and the country will die. The trickle down effect of this fear will eventually close every business and every person will then really have nothing to do. I pray that everyone has a small garden spot where they can at least live for a season before they die.
The government cannot continue to feed and house you. Did you forget that it’s your’s and my tax dollar that is paying for these huge bail outs.
We’ll find a way to live with this virus just as we did with HIV, Ebola and flu. Lets be smart, lets be safe, lets think and lets get back to work.
And just one more thought that is bugging me…How does increased testing fix anything? I could go get tested today and be negative then this afternoon go the the store and walk past someone who won’t yield any space to me and then test positive tommorrow.
Spot on given the way this has been handled thus far.
I would suspect based on the grocery store inventories that many individuals are stocked up for at least 30 days. I know some individuals stocked up for 6 months and longer. That minimizes trips to the grocery store reducing that risk medium. They might have to go for a few staples, but not for major purchases. That will limit the time in the store reducing risk.
Stay out of buildings. I have mentioned this before the news but since businesses fail to use HEPA filtering and UV lighting, those A/C units are just spreading micro droplets everywhere. If they are not in the air, they are landing on surfaces. Wash your hands and use sanitizer frequently. Use gloves and mask if you have them or can get them if you have to go in.
Summer is here. The numbers per day are dropping. But fall is coming. Round 2 is just around the corner.
The site is run by those that lean ***** so expect some comments not to be approved, their site and their rules. People have choices, want to live we should be permitted, want to stay in a safe space, go for it. Please do not think me, my great grandchildren should be paying anyone to stay locked in their safe space.
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We have two choices, reopen the economy or face economic collapse. Many big box retailers hardware stores, grocery stores and around here liquor stores are open. A few common sense rules such as social distancing and mandatory face masks in buildings open to the public and we won’t see the we won’t see the spread of the the corona virus or the deaths like we saw the spread of the swine flu in 2009.
Many experts say keep us locked up and many say open up, most people only listen to one side of the argument and totally ignore the other. It usually follows political lines and not facts. We have become a nation of followers refusing to do any research on our own an follow the news propaganda that tells us what we want to here and facts and truth be dammed. This is what will cause us the most distress not the flu.
That’s what schools teach these days. No child left behind. It’s NOT the teachers fault. They play by the lousy rules our government gives them. Their pay is reflective of the rules. We know…We were in that system for a couple of years and got out.
I haven’t seen a single reputable scientist or medical expert say we need to re-open the economy. They all say we should stay home. If Congress and President Trump would pass reasonable income support for all Americans, we could avoid the worst of the virus and the economic decline.
You have the option of staying in your safe space. Why should our grandchildren pay for a socialist income for those that don’t want to work? The “gimme group” is beyond ridiculous.
Where does all of the money come from for income support? Print more money and there goes inflation, borrow the money from other countries like we have been from China! So many people out of work and not paying into social security is going to impact the retired and soon to retire communities. What ever solution you choose is like watching a dog chaise it’s tail.
Where does the stimulus money from banks go first? Just Google it. If you want the nation to open up, start actually giving it to the “small” busunesses. Otherwise, opening or remaining closed will not make any difference other than keeping people safer.
Did you hear Dr Fauci at the hearing? He’s a virologist, not a economist. He said his job is to give his medical opinion, not economic. What is the ticker going to look like when millions die of starvation, disease, abuse, drug overdose, murder when the economy collapses and chaos ensues. Already 5% of tax payers pay 90% of the taxes. So who’s going to pay for “free” money, when many of the 5% go bankrupt. The numbers say open up, with some restrictions of course. In CA we have a population of 40M people with 73K cases and 3K deaths. Of those 2.3K in So Cal. Why shut down or restrict entire state, when the majority of deaths are in an area of 10M people? The other 30M people, with 700 deaths. Also, 40% of deaths in country are in nursing homes. Need to focus there and on the vulnerable. If you don’t want to go out, don’t. I can respect that. But our country can not continue like this.
Some people just don’t want to wear a mask!
I strongly suggest you review the data in this link. It may very well be interesting and calming. Also note the sources of the data in order to give it some credence.
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/
Great info! Thanks! I’m sharing the website. This has been my belief all along. IMO, no reason to shut down the country and ruin the economy,
The poll options play into the belief that hiding and preventing spread is the only option to stop C19. This ignores that “flattening the curve” *requires* phased infection of as many people as can tolerate it.
My poll choice would be “opening will help overcome C19 by building herd immunity.”
Hang on to your butts. This is not over and I won’t be going to a restaurant for a long time. But I hope it’s not a rampage that our hospitals can’t keep ahead of. Many thanks to our medical folks and first responders.
Wife and I will continue to be ultra careful. Per our agreement, I will rarely, if ever, go into a large setting and then with my mask. I hope for the best for all.
Continue to be considerate of others.
I think it will continue to spread since the lockdown only prevented some from getting it. Should have been like Sweden, the more immunity early on will slow it down later. Since the stay at home does not work as New York showed (and those who did stay at home like the nursing and retirement homes is a prime example). Since data (and more data coming out) shows that about 95% only had mild or no symptoms, the other 5% were those with underlying conditions like obesity, diabetes, smokers, and hypertension. Should have concentrated on the susceptible people.
Also, going outside in the sunshine will help kill the virus.
yes I know, especially in the southwest where we have warm temperatures and our UV index is usually 10 or 11. Spend as much time as possible outside (which I did anyway)
Nursing homes are not the same as stay at home. If you stay at home do you have a multitude of people coming and going in and out of your house?
Sweden had an astronomical percentage of deaths vs positive cases.
As of 5/14/2020:
Sweden – Positive cases = 30,463 Deaths = 1,870 Percentage = 6.2%
USA – Positive cases = 1,430,653 Deaths = 85,264 Percentage = 5.6%
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si
And continuing to climb. It will be interesting though to see if this tops out faster or gives immunity to all.
There are more cases of Covid 19 being “discovered” because more testing is being done.
But the percentage rate is the same whether you test 1 or 1 billion thus far. So, the main number to watch is the death rate which in percentage in the US is extremely low. Test now and 5 minutes later that changes. Testing proves nothing at this stage.
Neither does taking temperatures for those that have no increased temperature as many walk around Asymptomatic.
I think it will increase the number of cases and unfortunately that will increase the death numbers also. We are relaxing to soon, we were in a major store yesterday, buying supplies to get us through the next two weeks. I was absolutely astonished on how many people were not wearing masks and not social distancing. That would explain the numbers we have here. I think we are moving too fast.
Consider buying a 6 month supply if you can afford it in order to stay out of grocery stores.
Gradual reopening is fine. We may see pockets of increase but they should be manageable for our healthcare providers. Realistically we will not have a good vaccine for over a year, if then. We can’t stay shut down that long. We need to save the economy and let those who can work. By opening gradually we should be able to eventually work our way to herd immunity (hopefully, assuming that one retains immunity after infection). People will continue to die, I could be one of them, but I don’t need to sacrifice my kids and their kids to keep me safe. It is terrible but it’s a reality we just have to learn to live with. The flu of 1918 lasted three years – three years! – and only ended because the virus mutated to a less virulent strain that did not kill. We can’t wait for that. We didn’t then and we shouldn’t now.
I think it will increase but that the amount will be spotty. Those that take precautions, PPE, testing (if available) good guidance and overall concern cold see minimal increases (I think it’s possible). If instead it’s “back to normal” then well see a significant jump, IMO. There may be a bit of a bet that Covid-19 is seasonal, which hasn’t been shown and that could backfire. Me, I’ll continue to ware a mask when out, carry hand sanitizer and wash hands. If I’ll out and about I dump my cloths in the washing machine on the way in and shower… Still think I’ll get it, but trying to make it hard for the virus. This came through last night. Can not vouch for the source but a really good read, some good thoughts and ideas– https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them?fbclid=IwAR2zcWAyr3SduAw1-S0OKfJTK0hXdAN4Kqw-sWz5iyQUfER5LoSZmJG-HRI
Great article..
Apparently, the full time RVer’s in this country were forgotten! Closing down RV parks, State parks and county parks was the biggest mistake done over all of this crisis! Wake Up People! We are self contained and this really put a lot of RVer’s in a pickle. Fortunately, we were lucky and it worked out, but it sure didn’t for others out there!
There’s one thing I haven’t seen mentioned when it comes to the closure of state and national parks and campgrounds and that is the staff both paid and volunteer that make those operations possible. Quite possibly their health and the government operator’s and concessionaire’s liabilities regarding that issue factored into these closure decisions.
In that case all business should have been shut down, not just those that were deemed necessary. When you’re in an RV you don’t have to have contact with anyone, just like staying in a s&b.
But then full-timers are limited in where they stay as ALL parks would be closed. Not all full-timers own houses (and at this point, whoohoo!)
Ways to mitigate this…
Keep the parks open. They automatically employee spacious areas for camping.
Buy your ticket on line. Present at the entrance booth. The attendant keeps the window closed but confirms your reservation.
Lock down all bathrooms.
Close the amenities.
Patrol for offenders. Remove them from the park.
This keeps revenue flowing, employees employed. Expenses are cut down while amenities are closed. Profits go up for parks.
Win-win.
25% occupancy in a restaurant isn’t “business as usual.” If we went back to where business was a year ago, then we would see some amount of increase.
There have to be enough people in a restaurant paying for food to make it worthwhile to open. Otherwise they are just taking an even bigger loss.
Most restaurants will not open at 25%, they will not make a profit until close to 85%. Only a bigger loss than staying closed until.
I think this is just the first wave, like the Spanish flu in 1917,
The flu started in 1918.
I know, you keep hearing 1917 on TV. Nobody has the guts to tell him.
Massively better sanitation and medical/drug improvements since then. Don’t even know how to compare then and now. Add social distancing, masks, better hygiene. Spanish Flu killed almost 700K in the US, including a 2nd wave of 100K when it was declared “over” and people immediately went back to “normal”. Will it return in the fall, most likely. Doubt to the levels of 1918.
Sadly I think you are right, so I pray every night to our Lord, that you are not
How can you compare 1918 with 2020? Sanitation, medical and drug advancements are immeasurable. There is no comparison.
Also, why aren’t 3rd world countries where sanitation, medical, etc is primitive, seeing huge numbers of cases/deaths?
Who is actually reporting their numbers?
Do you really trust info coming from China, Africa, Russia or any other country? I hardly trust what we get here with all the fake news media.
Do you trust anything coming from WHO?
Do you trust that doctors and coranors are reporting correct diagnosis? How many do they have wrong? They can’t even determine how many strains of this particular virus there are.
Add in your fellows Americans that don’t give a crap about whats good for them much less anybody else.