RV squatters ‘camp’, beg at Walmart

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    By Chuck Woodbury
    Editor

    The following appeared as a comment on one of our articles from a reader named James. I wanted to add my own thoughts. He wrote:


    “I am currently in Amarillo, Texas and the Walmart parking lot has ‘squatters’ all over the parking lot making it look less than an ideal place to do business. They all have signs begging for handouts so it is uncomfortable to even shop there.”

    What James has observed is not just at this Texas Walmart. It’s happening across the country. My question, as it has been for several years, is: How long will Walmart tolerate this?

    A year? Two? Maybe three? As the number of almost homeless people who live in old, often barely operable RVs continues to grow, and the word gets out that Walmart will let them squat in their store parking lots for free, the problem will worsen. I, for one, do not think Walmart will put up with it for much longer. I don’t think a day or two passes that a Walmart store somewhere in North America does not post a “No overnight stays” sign.

    So where will those countless thousands of RVers stay who rely on Walmart on any given night as a sleepover point between one destination and another? Good question, and one I think about often. I am making progress with my proposal of a chain of no-frills, bargain-priced RV stopover “parks” with electric hookups only, with stays limited to one night only. I will have much more to say about this in the weeks ahead.

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    Jerry Jordan

    Chuck,

    Would it be possible to post comments oldest first (at the top) to newest at the end. With responses coming before the original comment, it can be hard to follow the discussion.

    frater secessus

    BBT’s behavior in the comment section is remarkably similar to the bad behavior he describes in Walmart parking lots.

    Time to start banning comments by IP.

    Jim O'Briant

    As the CEO & Administrator at http://www.OvernightRVParking.com, I receive 100-300 reports each week from our subscribers, updating us on which places still allow Overnight RV Parking and which places have now banned it. Over the past year, there have been at least 3 – 4 update reports per week about Walmarts all over the country that have changed their policy to “No Overnight RV Parking.”

    Lee

    Well Chuck, this is not a new problem. 30+ years ago the U.S government began limiting campground stays to 14 days in one campground due to the squatters and the attendant trash, sewage and crime issues. This policy put many of these folks on a circuit of local area campgrounds, staying 14 days at a time each. This has led to many National Forests to limit campground stays to 14 days per season in the whole forest. Fast froward to today where we face the aftermath of recession, housing market collapse, rising rents, gentrification and an ageing population to name just a few factors, and the homeless/house less population has soared. As these folks are pushed out of one place, they relocate in another as water seeks it’s own level. the causes are many, and complex and require equally varied solutions . Finger pointing, name calling and nay saying contribute nothing to the conversation or the solution we just have to want to and start to work.

    Please B. Civil

    Ha! Whooops! Speaking of editing… I apparently deleted the ‘NOT’ want… in my comment while I was editing my own comment.

    Please B. Civil

    Chuck,
    You have stated that you do want reader comments that are mean spirited and/or political rants, which I hope includes even thinly veiled racism… but yet, in my opinion, RVTravel still publishes them in comments sections. For example, do Billy Bob Thorton’s views in this column really meet your requirements? If not, do you or your staff edit reader comments “before” publishing them? Decring them and asking for them to stop AFTER publishing them dilutes your credibility and encourages more.

    brenda

    Personally, I would be willing to pay a reasonable fee for an overnight (and safe) boondocking site. Even a $5 or $10 fee would be better than a $50 site for a few hours sleep, and may be enough to discourage the riff-raff.
    The problem with any of these “proposed “solutions is still — enforcement!

    Don

    You wonder why lots of campgrounds are closing down. Lots of times Wal-Mart will have 20 overnighters ( some buying in the store – most not) and the campground down the road is sitting empty. That campground has to pay lots of taxes and utilities all year round. Unless you own a business such as a campground you do not know the cost to run it. Perhaps Chuck should check into how much it costs to make a SIMPLE campground. Land price, infrastructure, water, electric, sewer sani-dump, maintenance, workers, signage, advertising, taxes, etc . for bargain price of $ for one night only. What is a bargain price =$10.00 . And then the person staying also wants to leave their garbage, dump their sewer, wash their rig, use free internet, have a place for their pets to do their own dump ( and not clean up after them) and how about a club house , pool , outside games and laundry mat, also big enough for any size rig and must be all pull-thrus also. I like the idea of doing a long travel and having a place to stay for a quick overnighter and get back on the road early such as going to Wal-Mart but you should think of the little campground that may not be there next time you go thru the area and the Wal-Mart has posted no overnighters allowed now.
    Then what will you do?

    Cat Hill Plummer

    This doesn’t just hurt campers, work campers on their way to a new position. It also hurts truckers, and transporters. The vagrancy situation is out of control. Our leaders of our states have done this by asking judges to stop enforcing the laws of our states. Manufacture, dealing, and being under the influence of drugs is still against the law, as well as vagrancy. Those of us that are decent law abiding campers must write our state leaders and demand the laws be enforced. I do feel for the 10% of the people that have truly come upon hard times. They are the people that need our help. The idea of an overnight electric only park is interesting, great idea.

    Ted Denman

    What can responsible RV’rs help Walmart get rid of their “getto” RV squatters?

    Carl

    We have friends with a townhouse near the light industrial area of Ballard/Fremont in Seattle. This area is rapidly gentrifying, but in the meantime there are dozens of old beater RVs parking overnight in this area. I agree with the comment by Tumbleweed above that virtually all of the RVers you see coming out of these units are “old white guys” who could very well be Vietnam vets, but clearly not illegals, who tend to be hispanic.

    Tumbleweed

    I commented on this earlier, but I have another angle on this issue. As a full-time boondocker, I have seen many more vagrants and beat-up RVs than RVers who only occasionally park at Walmart and are appalled by their “campmates.” What I have learned over the years is that a huge number of the beaters are driven by Vietnam vets. For whatever reasons, these vets are vagrants and have little money. To me, this is even more appalling than their camping at Walmart. I am totally anti-war, but if we send our men out to be cannon fodder, we most certainly owe it to them to take care of those who get wounded physically, mentally, and emotionally when they return home. PTSD is a plague for Vietnman vets, in particular. I suspect that if they had been properly cared for upon return, the number of Walmart vagrants would be significantly reduced.

    Lydia

    I think the days of RVers parking overnight at Walmart are coming to a close. The RV vagrants/druggies in barely functioning motorhomes squatting in Walmart lots and elsewhere have ruined it for non-vagrants-non druggies. In the Seattle area drugged out vagrants in decrepit RVs line the streets of some pretty nice Seattle neighborhoods. The vagrants have also been responsible for some pretty ugly crimes against innocent citizens and costing cities they inhabit millions of dollars for clean-up. Whether they live in decrepit RVs or tents on the sidewalks it’s all bad news for us “normal folks.”

    I think overnight camping is no longer allowed at ANY of the WalMarts along the I-5 corridor in Washington State because of the drugged out vagrants who also use their rigs for cooking meth and other illegal drugs. I’m pretty sure Walmart management is aware of that criminal activity and they for sure don’t want THAT going on in their parking lots!

    Vagrants squatting on city streets and elsewhere are not “homeless.” They live that way by choice, enabled by city officials who do not enforce existing laws. Let’s not romanticize them by calling them “homeless.”

    marty chambers

    WalMart stores need to handle this issue with the local law enforcement agency. They can set up a one night only policy with permission from the store’s management. Anyone who abuses that will be asked to leave. Anyone who becomes a jerk can be “trespassed” by the police and banned from ever using Walmart as a resting stop.

    OnWeGo

    It’s a problem, certainly, even up here in Northeast Ohio, which normally thinks of itself as removed from these sorts of social annoyances. After all, we’re a long way from the Mexican border, the climate is somewhat unlike Hawaii or Southern California, and anybody who wants a job around here can find one in a few days. (Yes, they’re mostly minimum wage positions, but isn’t that how 90% of us got our start?)

    Squatting is tolerated because senior management believes that the news and social media blowback from prohibiting overnight stays by “those less fortunate than us” would damage the company’s brand. (Never mind that I have to be aggressive as some of these folks to keep them away from my family. But then, my demographic tends not to attract sympathy when it’s bothered.)

    Let that kind of thinking sink in for a minute.

    Must run along along now. Time to, finally, pay my fair share to keep this thing going. If those 300 folks can do it, fixed income and all, in some cases, I’m sure, well, so can I.

    Kevin Hogle

    I’m a believer here at the Hurricane UT Walmart, that squatters were at least partially responsible for the “no overnight parking” signs. And of course others who abused the privilege that weren’t needy in any way.