By Russ and Tiña De Maris
When we published stories prior to this year’s Quartzsite RV Show, we received mixed reactions. Many of our readers said they’d stay away from the big show, fearing opening themselves to a COVID-19 infection. Others scoffed, with a “have no fear” attitude – some even questioning the reality of COVID. Was it really possible to get COVID at the Quartzsite RV Show?
Town approved
“Every January something happens that is hard to believe, unless you have seen it! According to the Arizona Highway Department, as many as 750,000 to 1,000,000 people, mostly in RV’s, converge on this sleepy little desert town, located just 20 miles east of the California border on Interstate 10, for the rock, gem and mineral shows, plus numerous flea markets and the Quartzsite Sports, Vacation & RV Show.” So reads promotional material for the show, which has been running more than 40 years.
Picture, if you will, a huge circus-like tent, filled with throngs of show-goers. These eagerly peruse wares and services pointed largely at the RVing public. It’s been that way for seeming ages. But when COVID-19 popped up early last year, one of the first questions that came with it: What will become of the Quartzsite RV Show? The answer came in August. We wrote that show promoter, Kenny King, and his co-promoter, daughter Kimmy King, declared the show would go on. Safety precautions would be taken, and the final approval would still have to come from the town’s government.
How big?
How big an event is the show? By Kenny King’s estimate, the January 2020 show (just prior to the US COVID-19 outbreak) was close to 150,000 people. The show runs a total of nine days, and by the Kings’ estimates, the first day of the show is probably the day of the largest draw. They acknowledged this when, as part of this year’s safety protocols, they posted information on social media to show-goers to NOT come on the first day, if possible.
Show safety protocols, according to a permit request to the Town of Quartzsite, included “mandatory face coverings” for all connected to the show, including vendors and attendees alike. Aisles through the big tent were widened and traffic limited to a single direction. Managers set up plastic dividers “between all exhibitors’ selling areas.” These and other measures were put in place to keep everyone secure. So, how well did that work out?
COVID at the show?
Mark Silver and his company, Industrial Lock & Hardware, [Disclaimer: They advertise with RVtravel.com] signed up for a vending area at the show this year, as he has done in the past. We contacted Mark, asking for his observations about the size of the crowd. We got a whole lot more information than we expected.
In terms of attendance, Mark wrote by email, “The show was noticeably smaller than normal years in exhibitors and attendance.” He figured there were probably a third fewer exhibitors. If the same held true for attendees, then a reasonable number to guess that came through the doors was in the neighborhood of 100,000 people over the nine-day run. Promotional material for the planned 2022 show says this year’s event drew from “100,000 to 150,000.”
If 100,000 visitors came to the show, and they were spread out evenly over the days, we’re talking about 11,000 people a day. But as Mark Silver observed, “Many times the show was crowded – the first few days for sure.” By his estimate, most people, probably 90%, observed the “face masks mandatory” rule. That leaves, say, 10% of 100,000 who didn’t: possibly 10,000 unmasked folks, milling around in fairly close quarters over the length of the show. Could someone get COVID at the Quartzsite RV Show?
“Deeply disappointed in myself”
Mark Silver says “yes” – someone could get COVID at the show. Writes Silver, “Being completely honest, I’m deeply disappointed in myself for attending, and upset that the show promoters allowed the show to open.” Why? “The truth is, I was infected during the show myself.” Silver tested positive for COVID-19 on January 27, three days after the show closed. “I wasn’t feeling great the last few days of the show,” he writes. “But I honestly thought I had the common Quartzsite crud that I get most years – Quartzsite is cold, dusty, and exhausting work – so I really didn’t think it was more than that.”
Mark’s wife, a registered nurse with 44 years’ experience, wasn’t feeling particularly well either. She contacted her primary care physician, and he recommended she get tested for COVID-19. Mark went with her. They both were tested: hers came back negative, his positive. Mark’s wife, as a nurse, had already received her COVID vaccine series; Mark had not. He’s now in isolation.
Followed safety protections
We asked Mark what he’d done to protect himself from COVID while at the show. Mark told us he’d stayed in his own RV, just a couple hundred feet from his booth. During his time in Quartzsite, prior to the show, he had little contact with other people. He also took a box of face masks with him to the show, and changed out to a new one each day, carefully wearing a mask at all times when at the show venue. He tells us he also used hand sanitizer constantly, and wiped his display products down with sanitizing wipes after show-goers touched them.
While there were indeed plastic dividers between vendor stalls, no such provision was made to fence off vendors from contact with show goers – that was a “recommendation” made by the show’s promoters, but not a mandate. Says Silver, “I tried to keep my distance, but it’s impossible to keep six feet apart at a trade show.”
Mantra: “Events are ongoing”
Prior to the opening of the show, we contacted Quartzsite officials regarding their views on the potential hazards of large crowds during a pandemic. Assistant Town Manager Cliff O’Neill put on a cheery face. “Events are all ongoing!” Pressed about the potential for disease transmission, O’Neill repeatedly told us that the town had reviewed the show’s safety protocols and that they were happy with them. “Events are ongoing,” he repeatedly told us, almost like a mantra.

Since Arizona state law requires local approval of events where more than 50 people are expected to attend, the show had to make official application, and receive approval before opening. Such was the case with the King family RV show. We’ve examined their application. In addition to a description of their safety plan, a question reads, “Anticipated Peak Attendance on Site at Any One Time:” Signatory to the application, Kimmy King, left this blank.

Interestingly, on the official summary page of the “List of Approved Organized Public Event Applicants,” the column that reads “Estimated Guests,” someone, presumably a Quartzsite official or town employee, entered “500/day.” If we (or a snooping state official) were to believe this, then the Quartzsite RV show would have had a maximum attendance of 4,500 people – far from reality.
Another “approved organized event” application we perused was for the Tyson Wells Sell-A-Rama. On his application, promoter Kym Scott did fill in the question regarding the anticipated attendance at any one time, listing “7,000 – 10,000.” On their official summary page, Quartzsite officials appear to have taken it on themselves to do a little editing. Here the town suggests “500+.”
What was town attempting to do?

It begs a question: Just what were Quartzsite officials attempting to do? Scaling the numbers far back from reality could certainly make the chances of a “super-spreading” event appear far smaller. And it neatly covers its bases. Each event promoter is required to sign off on a “public event permit and hold harmless agreement.” Should anything, we mean anything, blow up, from personal injury to death to anyone at any event, the town is assured they can’t be held accountable.
COVID at the Quartzsite RV Show? Not a problem for the town, at least in terms of legal liability. You can find the approved list of applications here. Click on each “event name” to read the underlying permit application.
If Mark Silver’s unfortunate case of COVID-19 did, in fact, spring from some contact he made at the Quartzsite show, then what’s the likelihood that there are others who suffered a similar fate? Even health care workers who have the advantage of advanced personal protective gear, and who use it as directed, have come down with COVID.
Mark evidently took all the right steps to protect himself and still suffered. What about the possible 10,000 unmasked show-goers? Where do they stand? Could some of them, too, have gotten infected with COVID at the Quartzsite RV Show? And with their not wearing masks, how many more could they potentially expose? Time will tell. Meanwhile, we wish Mark Silver a speedy, complete and uneventful recovery from his illness.
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Goes to show that no matter how you live YOUR live and how preventive you are anything can happen no matter what.
It goes to show if you engage in risky behavior you get sick, infect others, people die, and the healthcare system is overwhelmed.
I haven’t seen an overwhelmed health system yet.
Fox news doesn’t report when hospitals are reaching capacity?
Very glad for you that you haven’t experienced an overwhelmed health system. I hope you never do!
Others have and it is very easy to find the stories from frontline workers and journalists. Guess I’ve been lucky to both not have had the experience and yet hear the stories firsthand.
I’ve seen several. Just one example:
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/how-the-pandemic-is-straining-the-healthcare-system-and-what-you-can-do-to-help/
This news is all over the place. Just because one’s own personal healthcare experience isn’t affected doesn’t mean that no one’s is.
My favorite is “I don’t know anyone with Covid.” Meaning… it isn’t a problem??
Being military retired, they say war is risky because you may get shot and die. Many have so you can have your freedom of speech. I have no doubt that Covid-19 can be deadly but do we stop living? What if I and many others refused to go in the military because it might cause death? No work no money, no food, you die.
I’m enjoying a fine life in spite of the restrictions. This whole idea of “do we stop living” is over dramatization. Some businesses, and ways of doing business, have actually improved. Success at business includes learning to adapt. One example: a local BBQ place kept all their wait and cook staff, focused on pickup and free local delivery, developed an online ordering system, and has now actually INCREASED their bottom line. So much so that the owner is considering never returning to in-person dining.
When war hits home, are we supposed to whine and complain that we “can’t live our lives”? Just because it doesn’t involve guns and bombs doesn’t mean it’s not a real war.
It goes to show that your *chances* of getting Covid are lessened if you follow protocols. It doesn’t mean you have Zero chance.
After reading all of the comments made here only one thing came to my mind and it is an old joke… it goes something like this… Never argue with an idiot because anyone watching (or reading) the argument might not be able to tell which one is the idiot… sigh…
I was going to comment, but you, Larry, said it all.
Wow, a lot of speculation at the end about spreading. This could happen and then that could have happened. There are other possibilities as well. The gentleman could have contracted COVID from a source other than the show. I mean if this is the ONE example so far, that’s not bad. This is NOT a zero-sum game. Some will contract COVID regardless of what is done. We have to expect some exposure/transmission for a society to function. Furthermore, is it possible that some unmasked attendees achieved immunity through exposure, thereby strengthening our overall position? Vaccines aren’t the only way to develop immunity. Please don’t rant; I only ask that you consider the possibility as no issue is a black & white as some try to portray COVID response.
Exactly! He could have had it before the event. Live your lives folks!! It could be over in many ways at any moment.
Spot on! Symptoms can appear up to 14 days following exposure. They’ll never know where he caught it.
Wrong on so many levels. Tell your position to any 1st responder or healthcare worker today anywhere on this planet and you will be summarily corrected. Just wrong.
There are as many who deny the Chinese virus is as bad as it is reported and that masks don’t work as there are who say that it is the worst virus ever and that you absolutely must wear a mask and that they work 100% of the time.
A virus can’t be controlled!!! No matter what you do. Even if you wear a complete hazmat suit and showered in disinfectant when you leave your job or home there are those who will get it!
It’s time to reopen our country and live our lives!!!!
Ever hear about Polio anymore? I think that was controlled.
I like that perspective- thanks! AND, to Diane McGovern- Did you guys get up early enough to critique and sensor the comments today? Also, please- everybody, be civil to one another.
Hi, Drew. I started reading the comments at 8:30 Pacific time, after working until 11:00 last night. (Had to fit in a little sleep, but still didn’t get much.) But I’ve basically let people rant/vent, and haven’t “bleeped” or deleted any. Other moderators are less lenient than I am, so the comments may start disappearing when they get to them. Oops. I lied. I just trashed two comments that came in a few minutes ago while I was responding to yours. 😯 —Diane at RVtravel.com
Sorry I took your attention away, thanks for all your hard work and dedication.
Yep. Get sidetracked for a minute and those nasty comments sneak in. 😯 Have a good evening/night. 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com
Having the event and going to the event are irresponsible acts. The cavalier attitude about contracting covid is tone deaf to the reality of the public impact of mass infection. And I have zero patience for hoaxers.
Ms. Baker is spot on. We have a huge number of Americans that deny that this pandemic is real. The fact that our government went on for almost an entire year without any meaningful direction, federal mask regulations or a vaccine distribution ( what happened to the “20,000,000 doses before the end of the year (2020”)? What happened to the money that was paid for these never received doses? I am a firm believer that there should be a question on the application one fills out prior to COVID treatment: “Do you believe that COVID-19″ is real?” Check the box to “NO” and you get no treatment. You should pay the price for your ignorance.
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Our entire group of 10 went and had zero issues. No flu. Show sucked this year!. Fewer venders for sure!
Can’t Fix Stupid. The virus is real and it has long term effects, such as Polymalguia Rheumatic. How do I know, because I am living it.
Why must you always call people stupid because their philosophy is different from yours? You must be one sorry, angry, individual!
I think Ed he”a reacting or lashing out because he took precautions and someone or people’s didn’t take precautions with protective gear or staying home when sick. In turn giving Ron some benefit of doubt he took those steps he still became infected and suffering the ill side effects that we have no idea how long they will last. So those with lack of respect to others cause death and destruction to others is not ok. So I’m on the fence of the usage of Stupidity or Arrogance or UnIntelligent. It appears all three are appropriate. Not angry just disgusted with a group of people that it’s all about them.
I’ve decided that when the freedumb crowd starts spewing their big lies (“masks don’t work”, “the government is trying to control you”, “Covid is no worse than the flu”, “the election was rigged”, “cancel culture” etc.), the words “arrogant”, “foolish”, “stupid”, Dunning-Kruger and echo-chamber are quite appropriate. I’m also very tired of simply trying to politely change the subject. Silence is assent. Lies need to be directly rebutted. They are not simply “differences of opinion”.
Hear hear. TDS, fake news and ‘Enemy of the people’ are gone.
Stupid? So everyone who attended is stupid and doesn’t believe the virus is real? Yes, the virus is real. Everyone who chooses to go outside and be near other people should mask up and follow protocols. At the store, at school, etc. If you think that it is not safe then you have a choice not to attend. Calling people stupid is part of the reason we are all angry at each other Ron.
Good comment, Michael.
You mean Polymyalgia rheumatica?
It doesn’t appear that this article documented anyone getting any more sick than the normal flu. This flu isn’t deadly for most folks that can muster the effort to arrive at this show. I think that we are becoming so averse to any risk or illness that it will have lasting affects to our future enjoyment together.
tell that to the 450+ THOUSANDS’ of families who’ve lost their loved ones. Multiple loved ones at the same time! Fathers, Mothers, Sisters, Brothers, Children, Parents, Grandparents. It’s DEADLY. I imagine you are the type of person who travels all over and never wears a mask. Don’t be stupid and don’t listen to stupid! It’s not all about YOU. It’s also about saving others’ lives.
We are each responsible for the risks we take. People die every year from the flu. Our government cannot protect you and you cannot avoid risk. If you need extra protection, then stay home. Why don’t we all limit our driviing speed to 55 mph – we would save a lot of life. There are so many ways that we accept death as part of life. Our government cannot save us.
I guess stupid can’t be fixed
No, but leadership by example can.
We all spend our risk budgets differently. We also assume other people, to some extent, are being responsible about managing risks. Wearing a mask during a pandemic is no more difficult than driving on the right side of the road, stopping for red lights, not running down people in crosswalks, or giving your keys to a designated driver. I try to watch out for other people putting me at risk, but you don’t always see the one running the red light. Impossible to see the infected person breathing out a cloud of infection (flu or otherwise).
If you can’t be bothered to respect the health concerns of other people during a pandemic, please stay home and lower the risk for everyone.
BTW, the masks and social distancing are being credited with the flu infections this year being far below average.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Actually, 55 is a great idea. There is plenty of evidence that the severity and lethality of accidents would be greatly reduced at that speed. I think even gas mileage increases.
Just wow, what an idiotic comment. Glad I am still locked down in Canada.
Amen, Leonard. Runs rampant ‘round these parts.
I hope you aren’t comparing Covid to the flu. Good god… that dangerous and irresponsible trope died many months ago. Please don’t post that garbage.
I agree with you completely! But I think it’s effects not affects,,right?
We were there for a week – after the “big tent”. We always ‘miss’ the show, on purpose. Oh, and no issues.
I know this is your guys website and you can write whatever you want. Covid 19 stories bring out the worst in all of us. Most people are scared and the government has control over you . Government said mask up everyone did. Government said stay at home people stayed at home.
Government is only letting out what they want you to hear. It’s hard to do any research on your own to find out true facts about covid 19 and vaccines.
And, “testing positive” is not the same as contracting the virus. You may have a few (or even just one) spore in your sinus cavity. With the unorthodox testing that is being done, you will be reported as “testing positive”. That does not mean that you have contracted the disease, or that you will. Testing positive and contracting are not the same thing.
Oh, well if a guy has a website and infowars says so it must be true!
Nonsense. Pay attention.
Nonsense what do you mean? Go to the website notby works.org the guy will send you two documents that show with websites that masks do not work.another guy has a website tizens for free speech.org we have guys fighting for our freedoms. If I didn’t feel so strong on this subject I would have given up a long time ago.
infowars.com watch-doctor admits masks don’t work all viruses can get through.
Once again I share this quote. A scared population is a controlled population.
I for one do not want to give up my freedoms.
A year later and still the same old tired “scare” arguments. What about an informed population? Something the previous administration didn’t want, and near a half-million dead.
I call bs. Plenty proof masks work especially double masks.
How about two masks a face shield and a hazmat suit that should do it right?
What are you smoking?
Nor do I! If you do, what’s next?
How about closing your bank account if you aren’t a liberal? Or kicking you off a social media page because you don’t agree with them and make a statement they don’t like?
ITS ALL ABOUT CONTROL PEOPLE!
This false pandemic has made a way for the Mew World Order to implement their ideals on us by controlling us through the Chinese virus scare.
Control? Yeah, controlling a pandemic. I wonder what all you ‘freedom’ and ‘control’ people thought about seat belt laws, or no smoking laws.
Sigh.
I don’t know where you are getting your info from but when the Government said mask up…..everyone did NOT. When the Government said to stay at home…. everyone did NOT. If with both cases people had followed instructions, we would not be in this predicament now.
When the president made fun of Biden wearing a mask, wouldn’t wear one himself, and promoted hydroxy and held super-spreader events, well, there’s your sign. And, oh yeah, he got sick, and got a lot of other people sick.
Not true… and that was an impossibility anyway. There are things you must do out in the world and even if you wear your puny crappy mask it doesn’t stop the chinese virus!!!
There are far too many cases of those who have done all of the precautions and then some and still became infected. You can’t stop everyone from becoming ynfected it’s impossible!
I think you’re just looking for ‘true facts’ that agree with what you want to believe.
Last year cdc said masks do not work. Then cdc said one mask works. Now cdc says to wear two masks. Cdc doesn’t even know what there talking about. Why is the cdc changing there tune all the time? I will believe what I want and you believe what you want. Do we want a government to tell us what we can and cannot do? I am trying to share info that I have looked at and received so maybe some people will make informed decisions for themselves. Yes I do not believe any of the national news media anymore.
It’s all about control.
Sometimes the gov’t tells us what to do, yes. Seat belts, no smoking in public buildings.. etc. But it’s not some nefarious plot to “control” us. I don’t know where this idea comes from, or why it’s so awful. Freedom is not absolute – there have to be laws and regulations of some kind. I think the drug laws are stupid, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to deal cocaine and expect to get away with it.
Science changes, the CDC does the best it can with changing circumstances. I guess you prefer the previous president’s idea of just ignoring it. He ended up in the hospital. I will make informed decisions based on what I consider reliable science information, not making up my mind what I want to do and then go looking for someone to agree with me.
You act as if the government is trying to harm you.
This will be worse than the Chevy-Ford argument.
What about Dodge? Common man.
Hi, Michael. Did you mean, “C’mon, man”? 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com
Ha! Correct.
Toyota! LOL…
🙂 Also, I just need to make an off-topic observation. You don’t use the term “reads” or “read” when you describe what a document “says”. Now returning to our regularly scheduled comments…
Drew, I don’t understand what you are referring to . . .
Sorry Tommy, in the Covid at Quartsite article by Mr. DeMaris he refers to documents and bulletins that “say” something as “reads” something. (A person reads…not an inanimate object).
Mr Silver wore a mask and sanitized often yet still got the virus. Now even the most hard core lockdown governors are saying it’s time to start opening things up. You will have to wear a mask that apparently doesn’t work of course.
No one has said that wearing a mask is 100% efficient…in fact even the highly touted N95 mask is only 95% effective and very few people wear them…most only use a home made cloth mask. Just how effective do you think those are? And, Mr. Silver said it was impossible for him to conduct business and still stay the mandatory 6′ away from his patrons.
That’s the point. Outside of living in a antiseptic bubble and wearing a hazmat suit we will all be exposed to the virus.l know people who were paranoid in mask use etc and got virus any way and people who have not taken any precautions and not gotten it. Go figure.
Get well Mr Silver. It’s sad that those 10% don’t care to use protection for the other 90% that do. Yes, there’s more than PPE, but that in itself works with proper distancing, which was probably not adhered to. Skipped the event this year for obvious reasons. It’s not worth dying for!
I have purchased locks from Mr Silver-Online. Be safe!
With all the advise against large gatherings why do people still attend? If I had a dollar for everyone who contracts covid after such an event and is “deeply disappointed with himself” I would be a rich person.
The word is advice….
No you wouldn’t because it ain’t happening!
“If Mark Silver’s unfortunate case of COVID-19 did, in fact, spring from some contact he made at the Quartzsite show” Thats the key in this article. Covid symptoms can surface up to 14 days after initial exposure. They’ll never know where he picked it up. Could’ve also been at a gas pump on the way there. Obviously it was a super spreader event. Deep down, everyone knew that and chose whether to risk it or not. It’s an increasingly rare commodity called freedom. Dealing with risk is just part of it.
So has anybody did a survey with proof of how many people who attended the event actually got the chinese virus? How may perished from it?
If this isn’t known then how can it be a super spreader?
And how many of those that don’t get sick are carriers. You can have Covid-19 and show no symptoms, yet spread it to others. Mary Mallon’s name might not ring a bell but how about her nickname “Typhoid Mary”.
That’s what masks are for: protect others from you. Too many either don’t understand that or hate it because it infringes on their “freedom”
But, but but, he was wearing one of the “magic masks”, and still tested positive!
Certainly the “magic masks” will save us all! The TeeVee told me so!
Maybe he should have worn four at a time? Yeah, that’s the ticket, four masks at a time.
You completely misunderstood what I said.
Don’t be so arrogant. it’s not becoming of you.
More like “freedumb”.
Thanks Chris. Freedom is not free! There is always a price to pay to keep it and at the moment it’s mask wearing. After 20 years serving this country I tried to explain to my parents that freedom comes at a cost of lives. Then I was talking about war, now we are talking about a virus. So those less educated in wanting to use the word FREEDOM understand what the word truly means in its whole meaning. Those that gave their heart and soul for you to use the word and now an inanimate object in giving you a chance to survive.
We didn’t make it to the show this year, since we were in Florida, we went to the Tampa RV show instead. Most all had masks, we heard of no one getting the virus and in fact, have traveled all over this country since the day it hit or suppose to have hit the US and zero issues. Now, I’m not saying that there isn’t a virus of some sort out there, but isn’t it funny that not word has been said about the flu? Not a peep! And yet, we heard that in the start of all of this, thousands of people a year die of the flu. Let’s also remember how many die each year of heart issues, leukemia, cancer, car accidents, old age, etc. Oh, not a word on that as well. Think about this for just a minute, do you really believe that masks work? Okay, you go into a restaurant with your mask on like the order on the door states and then sit down and take your masks off and order and eat. I rest my case!
Considering that more people have died from COVID in one year than died in WWII over 4 years (and are still dying at the rate of 3,000/day) not to mention the 10’s of thousands more experiencing long-haul symptoms such as ongoing fatigue, lung problems, parosmia and more I’ll keep staying away from crowds, keeping physical distance where I can and wearing my mask. My sister had COVID (was dismissed as sinus infection despite showing no sinus inflammation), lost her sense of taste and smell, and, 2-3 months later, is still suffering from parosmia. This article was pretty mind-blowing: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/magazine/covid-smell-science.html
NY Times. Stopped reading there.
It appears you’re not wanting to add the death rates of those from other causes so not fake news but half the news. It’s killed far more than the flu (fact). Mask helps. it never said it was going to cure the virus (fact). Arrogance in not wearing PPE to help reduce the spread is (fact). The lady just at the beginning of these replies talks about losing her husband to COVID due to occasionally wearing his mask (fact). So do something smart and wear your darn mask when in public or stay the heck home until you can fully understand that masks are helping a great percentage to slow the spread.
If you really think masks work, you are part of the problem! You are trying to convince yourself! Good luck with that one!
And what happens to those who unfortunately stopped by the interviewee’s booth, and were exposed, and then exposed others? Hmm
Guess it’s just too bad. Freedumb is on the march, right?
@Kamwick, What does that even mean?
A year ago, the media would have us believe the end of the world was at hand. Millions were going to die in the streets of the virus. Food and critical supply shortages were going sicken and kill millions more. Draconian lockdowns were instituted to “protect” us. Tens of thousands stocked up on what supplies they could find, planted gardens, etc. (My wife and I included). Now, nearly a year later, we see that while the disease is indeed horrible for some, the survival rate is very, very high. A good number of my friends and family have survived it, and now a good number more have been vaccinated. In short, this is as good as it’s going to get, folks. Either the draconian measures worked, and vaccines are going to stamp the rest of COVID out, or we are simply going to have to learn to live, and sometime die, with COVID, just as with any other disease. At some point, folks are just going to have to decide for themselves when they want to start really “living” again.
So that’s what the media told you to believe? Wow, I didn’t know the media was getting so out of hand.
Another “big lie” saying “the media” (newest boogeyman) said something it actually didn’t.
Folks who are overly critical of “the media” are not watching that media. They’re watching some other media telling them what horrors “the media” are spreading.
Is the media the boogeyman? Come on Kamwick…if you believe there is no boogeyman then why refer to it?
The media is a lot more powerful than you may understand or want to believe.
As was the previous president.
This is but one of many reasons why we hope our Cda-Usa border remains closed. Once this calamity is under control, travels should resume…although I can already foresee that C.Lee couldn’t care less one way or the other I’m sure. To all others of good faith, safe travels wherever you go!!!
You’re a fool, and you’ll probably be responsible for others getting COVID when you do.
Amen! This is absolutely true!
We have been all over the country since this pandemic hit and never had an issue. We had already decided not to attend the tent but to go to Quartzsite this year. However my husband got Covid while we were in Lake Havasu before arriving at Quartzsite. He wore a mask as little as possible. Sadly he passed away in the hospital. I wish we had never gone to Arizona this year. Once you have a tragedy hits close to home and you’ll see exactly what this virus does it changes your outlook. I was hit and miss on wearing a mask before, now I wear it all the time and try to stay away from people. How I did not get the virus, I don’t know.
So sorry for your loss. We all think it’s not going to happen to me or my loved ones. Thanks for sharing your story as it makes us all stop & think & be a little more careful, you may have saved someone else today.
We are very sorry to hear about your husband, Char. That’s so sad. We hope you remain healthy. Take care. —Diane at RVtravel.com
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. This is tragedy that some on here can’t comprehend. God bless and you have my deepest sympathy in your loss.
I feel terrible about your loss. We were at Havasu not too long ago. The campground we were in was careless, two people approached us and got right in our faces. We left the very next day.
so sorry for your loss, and thanks for sharing, my heart goes out to you, boy there are some heartless folk on here I just cannot believe it,is this where all the anti maskers congregate.. god have mercy
My question is if there were policies, rules, stipulations for vendors and attendees to follow regarding the mandatory use of PPE then why is there no enforcement of those rules? How many times do you go into Home Depot were masks are mandatory and posted all over the place but as soon as customers get past the door monitor down or off come the masks and not one store employee or manager will ask them to put the mask back on. Where was the enforcement at Quartzsite if the speculative 10,000 people were not wearing PPE? Simply asking those persons to put the mask on or escort them out of the show I think would have been appropriate.
Actually a mandate can’t be enforced anc there are no laws in effect to enforce the rules that are set in place by stores or any other businesses. If a person doesn’t want to wear a mask they shouldn’t have to. Just distance themselves from others and leave it at that. You’re not the mask monitor and need to mind your own business!
Perhaps if I wanted to smoke at the show or not wear clothes that’s ok because others should mind their own business.
I can tell you this. I am at Quartzsite and did not go to the show except once. The lady at the gate had a mask but was not wearing it around her mouth and nose. The vendor I was looking for did not wear a mask at all. I got out of there quick. I would also have to say that Q the town in general is fairly lax about masking. They are hurting for money and to turn a customer away hurts financially.
If you really want to see what it is like here in the BLM area, look into Brian of Brian Boones Got Solar and read about what happened to him when he got sick in his rig. It is tragic. He is alive but barely.
CHuck
I cannot find any information on Brian. Went to Google, Facebook and YouTube. Where can I find it. Thanks.
Hi, Cecilia. Here’s a link to Brian’s first blog post about having COVID: https://brianboonesgotsolar.com/?p=10661 and his second post: https://brianboonesgotsolar.com/?p=10664 We wish him a speedy and complete recovery. —Diane at RVtravel.com
We haven’t gone to any shows, and if we do go somewhere and it is maskless and careless, we leave, taking our money with us. We only patronize businesses that make an effort.
I went to the show this year. It was my choice. As with everywhere I go these days, most people masked up but others didn’t. It’s hard to police everyone. We should all realize by now that there are a minority of people who refuse to wear masks and practice the safety precautions. You just have to wear a mask and try to avoid them. If you leave your house to go anywhere, you run the risk of contracting the virus. It’s your choice. I’m sorry the gentleman caught Covid & I hope he gets well soon, but you act like it’s the organizers fault. It seems like you are trying to get them in trouble. The vendor choose to sell at the event & take the risk. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out well for him.
Cx
suru, that is not the impression I got, its all about taking responsibility for yourselves, ie wearing a mask and or just not going, putting others at risk its totally selfish, America is so self absorbed its remarkable, seems this article justs attracts some real jerks, wowsa, humanity at its best…not….
Mark Silver doesn’t “KNOW” he got covid at the show. Those who want to stay home, stay home! Those with health conditions that warrant staying at home, stay at home! Everyone knows the recovery rate is above 99.5%. Everyone knows the number of covid related deaths are exaggerated for monetary reasons. Everyone knows if the economy crashes the death rate will be a national disaster. Everyone knows there is a vaccine for Those with health conditions.
“Everyone knows.” Where have I heard that before?
“Everyone knows”…. more than 450,000 have needlessly died from COVID too! My wife is an MD, I’ll have to ask her how much extra she got on her paycheck for attributing COVID as cause of death. John Macatee…. be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
You will also find that the data for deaths by heart attacks, strokes, auto-immune diseases of all sorts has gone down tremendously. Has all those deaths been contributed to Covid now? Hmm…one has to wonder about our government health reports.
Needlessly? How do you figure ? Everything had been done from the beginning and it effects people no matter what they do! Unless you wear a space suit or seal yourself in your home and have no contact with the outside world , there is no guarantee that you won’t get it. It’s a virus for Gods sake!
The statement ‘everyone knows’ doesn’t make it factual.
Yep I agree with you wholeheartedly!
The officials in these towns bring to mind the Mayor in the movie “Jaws”.
Business uber alles.
Attended the Quartzsite show this year, walking the big tent and area 3 different days. Crowds considerably smaller than in past – smaller than typically seen grocery shopping at Walmart. Many vendors seemed bored & dismayed by the lack of business.
Riding my bike all around town I noticed most RV parks in town fairly full, traffic far less, and local stores fairly crowded. Silly Al’s pizza had lines snaking out into the parking lot at all hours with no social distancing whatsoever. Had to wait almost an hour to just pick up a pizza ordered by phone! Huge contrast in human density seen at that very popular restaurant vs. what I saw at the Big Tent.
Ironically, a week after returning home to Southern California we received our 1st Moderna vaccination at the local hospital – where I then apparently contracted a cold – my 1st in years! Though very crowded there everyone was masked. And I got a cold! Go figure. . .
Everything in life come with risks including staying home. No one has a guarantee that their life will not be adversely affected on any particular day. We sally forth and choose to live our lives without being paralyzed by fear of the possibility of personal harm otherwise we would never leave home, never fly, never take a cruise, and never drive our RV anywhere.
I agree somewhat, but what about the risk you pose to others?
Very simple…if you’re scared, stay home. No one is forcing anyone to go anywhere. And…going anywhere always comes with risks, just as mentioned above. This virus is never going away.
Well said!
We are all forced to go to grocery stores, gas stations, some of us to laundromats, medical offices. Etc. Ridiculous argument. Take a couple simple measures to protect your fellow man., you’re not being asked to storm a beach at Normandy.
Most people could care less about others or the frontline workers.
If they are wearing their masks and distancing then they are safe right?
No – masks protect others, not ourselves. It’s not macho to decline, it’s selfish.
You can’t pose a risk if they are wearing their own masks and you aren’t sick! It’s the same with the flu or colds or any other communicable disease.
Stay away from those who are sick and if you are susceptible to the Chinese virus stay home.
I totally agree with you! Keep living!
This is a rather simplistic view. Taking measures of safety does not mean one is living in fear. Looking both ways before crossing a street or stopping at red light signals, using smoke detectors in our homes, or making sure our brakes are working and our tires are properly inflated are common-sense safety practices and have nothing to do with shuttering fearfully. The measures to reduce the pandemic spread is just another common-sense practice and need not be life-changing.
Correct. There appear to be some on this board who have a rather radical view of freedom and control.
You are so, so right…
One way anyone can catch covid 19 and the new strain is through their eyes. Since the eyes are always wet this is an easy way for transmission of viruses. This could be why so many get the virus even though they are wearing masks.
Many didn’t realize that the eyes were susceptible from the beginning. If a person coughs or sneezes whether they have on a mask or not and you enter that space with a mask on there is a possibility that it will enter in through the eyes.
That’s what masks are for. coughs and sneezes.
I find it reprehensible that the process to “vet” these events is as faulty as the enforcement of the safety regulations. I am sick of hearing about people’s “right” to risk the health of others. And the flu? Has been almost unheard of this year…gee, ya’ don’t think the extra precautions, including masks, had anything to do with that!?
If they’re stopping the flu, explain, scientifically, why they aren’t stopping the covid. Please.
Not the OP, but: This covid virus is unusually contagious, and spreads through the air we breathe out. It is more contagious than the flu, which spreads less easily, often spreading only through close contact.
Very simple. The measures taken to reduce Covid work even better against the flu because flu is less contagious. If we followed those measures every year, we would not see flu. But because flu transmits less and kills less, we as a society choose to live with it.
Science: A person with flu transmits it on average to 1 or 2 people in a normal year. If you take precautions that reduce that to less than 1 (e.g. 0.5), then if 100 people show up with flu, they only spread it to 50, and they sprad to 25, etc., and eventually 200 total people have had flu and its over. But if the number is 1.5, then 100 show up and give it to another 150, and they give it to 225 more, and eventually it is everywhere.
With Covid, the initial transmissibility is between 2 and 3. So if we take measures and get it down to 1.5, we have it spread everywhere. But it also kills around 10 times as many people, so if we have 100,000 flu cases and only 100 deaths, then Covid kills 1,000 instead.
Thank you for your clear explanation. Sadly, it can get even worse like when the President held a ceremony for Supreme Court Justice Amy Barrett at the Rose Garden, which Doctor Fauci pronounced a superspreader event. Fortunately, with their extraordinary medical treatments, none of those infected lost their lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_COVID-19_outbreak#List_of_COVID-19_infections_and_notable_exposures
Nope! It’s all attributed to the Chinese flu along with all the other death causing maladies, heart attack, stroke, pneumonia and anything else they can hang the virus on.
Enough already it’s time to return to your lives. We’ve lost enough time away from friends and family.
I agree with the person who mentioned the eyes. People do not realize how much they touch their face even when wearing a mask. Other options are the virus could be on your hair, your clothes etc. If it is and has not died yet, you could get infected. We all take risk. Everyone that attended knew the risk and agreed to them. Hopefully anyone that did test positive will have mild cases.
There’s a really simple answer to everyone’s concerns about covid. Quarantine everyone. Forever. That means no supermarket, no gas station, no hospitals, no police, no fire dept…..NOTHING. That oughta do it, right?
Listen, if you will, to our country…….shrouded in victimhood. Manage your risk, just as you do when you pilot your rig. Sheeples.
I prefer to listen to medical science, not internet posts telling me I’m ‘sheeple.’ Who did you listen to the last 4 years?
From which medical scientists do we take counsel? Birx and Fauci? Kulldorf? With whom do we blindly comply in a heard-like manner? 1mask, 2 masks, more?
https://geopolitic.org/2021/02/04/long-term-mask-use-may-contribute-to-advanced-stage-lung-cancer-study-finds/
It’s herd-like, and you’re too angry.
Back to RVing – and having read all 102 comments – Now I am sure I know why I seldom strike up a conversation with my RV neighbor, whether I agree or disagree. I enjoy the peace and quiet.
Yep, me too.
This town is all about the money. They could care less about your safety or covid. Evident in every business in this town, no masks nor any enforcement. You’re on your own to do the right thing for your self. Us, in my family, after coming here for 9 years, will never come back to this hole again.
No one forced folks to attend. As free citizens we’re responsible for our own welfare, no one else is.
Agreed!
What a sh*t show in Comment Land. Feeling sorry for the RVtravel moderators.
I’m very lenient, but other moderators not so much. Comments may disappear at some point, but I have a tendency to let folks rant/vent. They pretty much cancel each other out (is one way I look at it). 🙄 —Diane at RVtravel.com
I haven’t read anything that I would delete. But the blind negativity would send me to the Gin.
That’s why I let them vent, cee. I have a very thick skin, but some weekends the comments are definitely more of a downer (and more time-consuming) than others. You should hear some of the thoughts that go through my head when I read some of them, and how I would really like to respond. But I don’t have the time or the inclination to do that, so I’ll let the readers duke it out. (Unless they get too out of line.) Yeah, I know. Folks shouldn’t be “duking it out” on RVtravel.com — that’s not what we’re here for. But the vast majority of our readers are civil and considerate. There’s just too much pent-up emotions and frustrations these days. Take care. 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com
We all appreciate you folks! Thanks Diane
Thanks, cee. We appreciate you, too! Have a good night. 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com
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99.997 to 95.5 survives this flu. Why the constant fear?
The president wasn’t scared. He got a lot of people sick, and went to the hospital. Do you think reasonable precautions might have avoided that? (what you call ‘fear’)
How many did the then-President get sick? What are the numbers behind your “assumption”?
400,000,000 (population of USA) X 1% (.01) death rate (conservative) = 4,000,000 (4 million) American deaths. Maybe you and your family want to volunteer. I want to keep mine around! Follow the science and guidelines and we will kill this virus! Happy Camping!
Quartzsite = money over common sense!
After feeling some of the known symptoms of the virus I tested positive the day before Thanksgiving. Eventually 10 family member came down with the ‘plague’ over the following couple of weeks . No one needed hospitalization, all had faithfully followed the advised protocols . Not real fun but no worse than any flu I’ve had. We attended the Quartzsite event during both weekends and I don’t recall seeing anyone without a mask in the tent-outside was a different story but for what purpose? We see people driving the highways wearing masks, for what possible purpose? If someone is in the at risk group then stay isolated to keep safe but don’t fool yourselves into thinking a mask is going to save you because it can’t. If you choose to venture out it’s your choice so don’t try to blame someone else for your decision
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As a casual reader of this article, a couple of items jumped out and got my attention-
First, the writer appears to be quite biased against the gathering and
Second, by his own account, Mark Silver most certainly had contracted Covid before the show as symptoms do not manifest themselves immediately, often taking days or more than a week to appear, or to even test positive after exposure.
My opinion is if one is in reasonably good health and contracts C19 chances of recovery are good. The problem as I see it is many Americans are not healthy or fit. Too many are overweight, do not eat healthy, and get zero exercise. The best comment my doctor made to me was “If people don’t take their health seriously, then they shouldn’t expect me to either.”
How true that is. Health care costs would be significantly lower if people took better care of themselves. Can’t count the number of RVers I’ve seen carrying a watermelon in their T shirts and how many use CPAP. And now they’re running around with no masks bitching about control and freedom. You just can’t get any more irresponsible than that. The last 4 years have been a testament to ignorance and irresponsibility.
Did the town turn a blind eye to the actual number? Probably, Could you have a chance to get covid if you attend? Possible, Could you die in a car/RV wreck on the way to the event? Possible, Do we live in a free country where we can be adults, weigh the risk and make our own choices? Questionable.
What a horrible parade of ignorant comments by many below. Glad I stayed away, because the crowds were surely filled with these reckless people parading their ‘freedom’ by gathering in groups and pretending there is no problem. They are the people who have kept this pandemic mess going for months longer than it had to.
I agree 100%
Agree
For your safety, you should never leave your house ever again. Do you know covid has been around for 20 years and a big brain guy has been trying to find a cure all this time too? yes it’s true… it is just a thing we live with, so adjust your life but don’t try to dictate your beliefs on others because your scared.
I am amazed at the number of people who have become Medical Experts in the last year. I hope all of these so called experts who Wont wear a Mask never find out that they are wrong and wish they had been wearing one. Just please stay away from me and my family. Oh, that’s right. They have rights and nobody can tell them what to do.
I go out, I wear a mask.
Hi, Tom. Now, when I go out, I wear a double mask. If one is good for me and those around me, two is twice as good, I figure. It certainly can’t hurt. 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com
Except when you can’t breathe with 2 masks on. I have copd and, at times, have trouble breathing with even 1 mask on but I still wear it.
That’s true, PennyPA. When I walk at the local high school outdoor track it’s already difficult to breathe, and with even just one mask on I feel like I’m suffocating. I’ll have to raise the mask off my chin occasionally, just a little, in order to inhale as deeply as I need so I don’t pass out. There are very few people walking at the track, luckily. I won’t be walking this weekend in the snow, however. 😉 Take care. —Diane at RVtravel.com
I stick with science. That way I have a much better chance of being right.
Will you “stick” with this science?
https://geopolitic.org/2021/02/04/long-term-mask-use-may-contribute-to-advanced-stage-lung-cancer-study-finds/
Yep! Wear a dirty mask and get sick. Solution: Wash the mask or dispose of them if using disposables.
Considering some the ads on that site, no. I distinguish between mainstream medicine and website medicine. When surgeons and ER workers stop wearing masks because of lung cancer, then I would listen.
Yup and driving a car can lead to death in a car accident. Please stop wearing a mask – HERE’S YOUR SIGN!
Scotty: Please try and be a bit sensible. What happens if you wear your underwear every day for a week? A bit smelly? A bit dirty? A bit gross? If you wear a fabric mask, you need to wash it frequently. Geopolitic.org ids not necessarily a good source for medical advice – political views maybe, but not medical. Choose your sources appropriately and let’s try to discuss real issues, not those that we want to be real. Truth is a powerful thing, let’s use it.
You own the truth? And I’m not sensible. Read the article at the site to which Geopolitic.org linked. Globalresearch.ca cites the journal Cancer Discovery I never claimed Geopolitic.org was a good source for anything. Be willing to consider all information. If not, we become sheeple.
is unfortunate that more people are not educated on how to properly view and assess scientific research. When you read research you must be able to determine if the study was correctly designed, implemented, and analyzed. As well, is it duplicatable and has it been peer reviewed? Most of us read the title of a study, assume everything is kosher because, after all, it is “research”. and will quickly jump from the title to the results, expecting to see their point of view is being proven or fearing that this study could possibly apply to themselves and find themselves unnecessarily discomfited. Any person or entity that claiming that the study demonstrates that mask wearing can lead to an increase of lung cancer misinterprets the results of a study about an increased presence of oral commensal microbes in the lung & is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst. For more fact checked info: https://reut.rs/2OqGm39
Well stated J Kuester. Thank you for helping me in making my original point.
Agree – well stated. The problem with scientific studies and academic papers is that they attempt to get respect by using uncommon words and think they get paid per word. Simplify the message. 2% of people have the time to read through them and only 5% of the 2% truly understand it. Simplify the message and if you want more detail you can go read the rest.
And THAT is your choice, others have THEIR choice and should not be hounded over it.
So the take away is you can do everything the government tells you to do, take all the precautions, and still get the woo flu. Also your spouse that you live with that you sleep with, without a mask on and no plastic divider between you doesn’t catch it.
I personally have had four tests, on four consecutive days. Day 1 and 3 I was positive, days 2 and 4, I was negative. Where’s the science.
The spouse in this story had already had the vaccine, so of course she didn’t get it.
And you can get Covid when others fail to take precautions, either government mandated or by personal choice.
If you took the typical rapid tests, they are very unreliable. High rate of false positives AND false negatives.
Everyone is locked into their personal science. People say follow the science until science contradicts what they want to believe. Government leaders, that locked down tightly, are talking about opening schools. I suppose the science changed because COVID is still here. Yet Quartzsite was irresponsible.
We know people vaccinated or wear masks can still get and spread COVID. We know CDC originally said they wanted to “flatten the curve” knowing that they could not stop the spread. Some seem to think that catching COVID is from scientifically irresponsible behavior.
Leaders, who limited churches and allowed bars to stay open were following the science; or those who closed campgrounds but not hotels. Leaders, issuing lockdown orders were caught without masks, apparently had personal science and public science.
My region recently had 20,000 cases and 177 deaths. Few want to discuss such numbers out of fear of being called ugly names by believers of science.
It’s really simple folks, if you’re worried about getting Covid, don’t go. Not complicated in any way, that includes vendors and visitors. For the rest of us, we’re enjoying the less than packed venues due to the ones staying home.
I am a retired Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist and retired navy commander. I state this to substantiate the facts that I have the majority of my life working “behind” a mask and understand what safe isolation practices are. My husband and I briefly attended the Quartzsite RV Show aka “the Big Tent” masks on. We went there with the specific intent to purchase new locks for our new RV from Industrial Lock and Hardware as the locks we had purchased for our first RV were of excellent quality. Having said all this, we visited with Mark 3 times on 3 separate days and he was NOT wearing a mask any of those times. The majority of the vendors were, surprisingly, mask free as well. Neither myself nor my husband became ill and I believe that is because we kept our exposure to a minimum and followed recommended safety protocol. The attendance was considerably lighter that last year.
Thank you for your comments, J. However, we checked with Mark today and he adamantly denies that he ever took off his mask at the show except to eat or drink. —Diane at RVtravel.com
What’s your point? People have contracted China flu without contact with anyone for weeks.
The next issue is that masks don’t protect you or others from contagions. Now the CDC is recommending two masks. Controlled Scientific studies have definitely found that face masks (even “fit tested” masks leak and don’t provide a positive ,continual barrier of protection.
These are real scientific facts and not the feel good babble espoused by the mainstream media.
Please post a link to one of those studies that say they don’t work. Every one I’ve read/seen says they work – N95. Not gaiters.
notbyworks.org j.b. Hixson will send you information you can read and then decide if masks work or don’t work
If you ever find yourself feeling irrationally exuberant about the human race, go read the comments section of an Internet post. Where’s my popcorn?
Are we still “following the science”?