Thursday, August 5, 2021
Thursday, August 5, 2021

Will having an “Immunity Passport” allow us to travel? Here’s what we know

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By Gail Marsh
As the nurse handed me my COVID-19 vaccination card, she looked me in the eye and said, “This is a legal form of identification. Protect it as such.” Huh? I’d just received my second dose of Moderna’s COVID vaccine. As I walked back to my car, I examined the “proof of vaccine” card and couldn’t help but wonder about it. As a legal form of identification, the “immunity passport” must have intrinsic value. But how? So you must protect your card – from whom, and why?

An infectious disease specialist, Dr. Amesh Adalja, recently told ABC News: “What these little cards have the potential to do is to make something like international travel easier by avoiding requirements for quarantine or testing.” In other words, vaccinated folks may be able to resume at least some normal pre-COVID activities – if we can prove that we’ve been vaccinated.

Here’s what I’ve learned about the “COVID Card” or “Immunity Passport”:

  • The “proof of vaccine” card has detailed information about the kind of vaccine you were given and when. If boosters are recommended in the future (possibly for variant virus strains), the card will help your health professional know if/when you need a booster shot.
  • Be sure to tell your primary care physician that you’ve received a vaccine. S/he may want a copy of your “proof of immunization” for your health history file.
  • You may need to provide proof of vaccination if you choose to travel (especially across international borders). In addition, you might need the “immunity passport” to get into large venues or gather in large groups (e.g., church, conferences, organized tours).
  • The official CDC card is made from cardstock-type paper. However, it can easily fray, crease, and/or tear if kept in a wallet or purse. Some people recommend taking a cell phone photo of your vaccination card for easy access. Or you can use your printer to make a copy of the vaccination card to carry with you. Staples office supply stores will laminate your vaccination card for free until May 1!

Department of Health database

  • Individual state departments of health (DOH) keep records of vaccine doses and the names/dates people received their shots. If you lose your proof of vaccination card, go back to where you received your immunization. Or you can contact the DOH in the state you received the vaccine. Ask for a replacement card from either location.
  • Why a DOH database? Vaccine manufacturers are hoping to use the vaccine database information to help track the effectiveness of their vaccines. But some folks worry that this collection of health data is a threat to personal health privacy. Hmmm …
  • At this point no official COVID “Vaccination Passport” has been put into place in the United States. However, a “digital vaccine passport for travelers is already in its final stages of development by the International Air Transport Association (IATA), an airline trade association representing 290 airlines worldwide,” according to Healthline.com. COVID hit the airline industry, among others, hard. It is searching for ways to reassure travelers that it is safe to travel if you’ve been vaccinated.
  • Individual countries are taking steps to issue their own “immunity passports.” Some of those take the form of QR codes, vaccination apps, or microchipped vaccination cards  that store vaccination records. However, collection and storage of vaccine data raises privacy concerns for many people. What do you think?

Store your vaccination card safely

  • Officials recommend you keep your original proof of vaccination card in a safe and secure place. A suggestion would be to keep it where you store your social security card or passport.
  • It should be no surprise that fake “proof of vaccine” cards already have been making the rounds. Just like any forged document, falsified “proof of vaccine” cards can be purchased online. That’s a good enough reason for me to protect my card. How about you?

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Dennis
4 months ago

Welcome to the Gulag Comrade. The government is here to look after you. Don’t worry, be happy.

Shelley
4 months ago

I have read every comment of this discussion and just want everyone to think about what didn’t happen during the last 14 months. There was no mention by the CDC on how to keep yourself healthy by eating the right foods, exercising, getting sun and staying positive. There were pro-active drugs that could have been administered nationwide at a very inexpensive cost; but that was not done. Vitamins, known to help bolster our immune system were not promoted or even discussed. The whole focus was on a vaccine; the intended goal.

Brian Burry
4 months ago

Not getting the vaccination, not ever. I figure those who believe so much in it should not worry, after all, you are protected aren’t you?! Papers or not, not going to even consider it!!! You want it, by all means, that is your choice to go right ahead and do so!

Peggy Bradley
4 months ago
Reply to  Brian Burry

Totally agree. It’s not a vaccine. People have been duped. And if I get restricted in any way for not having this genetic re-engineering shot, I’ll be calling a lawyer.

Dave
4 months ago
Reply to  Peggy Bradley

Nobody is saying you will be restricted on your own property. Owners of other property will make their own free decisions so people don’t intentionally harm others

Elaine Ashton
4 months ago

Don’t any of you wonder about all this BIG GOVERNMENT control over our every movement? I refuse to pollute my precious body with untested chemicals. I’ve never had the flu — never had a flu shot — don’t want to risk my life with this supposed COVID vaccine. Aren’t you all even WORRIED just a little bit? This COVID Bioweapon was started in the U.S. then went to China where they accidentally released it. I’ll keep myself healthy with honest food and take my chances — thank you.

Dennis
4 months ago
Reply to  Elaine Ashton

Elaine, Critical Thinking is no longer allowed.

PennyPA
4 months ago

Okay. Next question for Diane: how do we delete a post? I don’t really repeat myself but it appears I did in my response to Glenn.

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

Sorry, PennyPA. I forgot when I was going through the 250+ comments this morning that I was going to go back and delete the duplicate comment. I just did it. Thank you for reminding me. Have a good night. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com

Bill T
4 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Hi Diane. Ref PennyPA’s question. Can someone delete their own post or is that strictly up to RVTravel moderators?

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
4 months ago
Reply to  Bill T

Hi, Bill. Sorry for the late response. I’m not sure if someone can delete their own comment or not. I think this was set up at one point where someone could go in and edit their comment for a short time after it was posted. I don’t know if there’s still a time limit on it or not. Maybe they can only delete it within a certain amount of time, as well. I’ll check with Kim, our IT Dude. Thanks for asking. Have a great day, and stay healthy. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
4 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

OK. Kim says comments can be edited for a certain amount of time after posting, but at this point they can’t be deleted by the commenter. That may be changed in the future, however. So, if someone wants to delete their comment but are unable to, I guess they can just edit out all of the words and then the comment “message” won’t show up. And when I see there’s nothing in there, I’ll delete it. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com

Jeff
4 months ago

I have shared my thoughts on masks and covid before. I have come to this conclusion. If you feel the need to wear a mask or get the covid vaccine fine. If you feel the need not to wear a mask or get the covid vaccine fine. Everyone has a choice and that is your choice.
it’s really sad too see how this Chinese or covid virus has divided this nation.

Ron Lane
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

I don’t believe it was the virus that is dividing the nation…. it is the false beliefs that were promoted first by a certain individual and then his minions who refuse to listen to those who have experience and knowledge. Science is a wonderful thing, but if a person ignores what science has proven just because a non science person refutes it…well, I have absolutely no sympathy for them. A person who refuses proven prevention procedures, can be asymptomatic and pass on the virus to their friends and family totally without any knowledge of it. We can defeat this virus, but it will take more than what many are willing to give.

Jeff
4 months ago
Reply to  Ron Lane

Ron,
My point is this. It seems like when covid 19 comes up there seems to me like we arguing amongst ourselves. It’s sad to see. Thank you for sharing your views with me.

Roger
4 months ago
Reply to  Ron Lane

And what proven prevention practices would that be? Most of the practices that have been put into use by the CDC and then State governments have no previous use in history regardless of what you may have heard or read. These practices fly in the face of epidemiology and know science and anyone who disagrees today is lambasted as dummies and heretics by the CDC even when those persons wrote the books on epidemiology.

Tom Horn
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

That is part of the master global plan. Divide, Scare, drive us apart, keep us drugged up and stupid. Hell, George Bush told all of us back in 1991 during his state of the union address that there will be a One World Order. That means total control of the citizens of the US by any means. Did anyone have there ears on.

David
4 months ago

I was told not to laminate the card. Don’t know why, no reason given and I was in to big a hurry to ask.

Roger Christianson
4 months ago
Reply to  David

I was told that as well. My wife, who went to the same facility, was not told.

Judy and Bob
4 months ago

We were told that if you had a “sticker” verification on your card that Staples would not laminate it as the sticker would black out.

Dave Rott
4 months ago

If I have my card laminated, won’t that be a problem if I need it updated if I have a booster shot?

Barbara Jean
4 months ago
Reply to  Dave Rott

If you do an internet search about laminating your card, you will learn if it has a sticker or was printer with a thermal printer -laminating can ruin it. Plus if more boosters are needed in the future what happens if you have laminated your card. It is recommend you scan the card (front & back) laminate the scanned printout. Keep original in a safe place like your passport. Take a photo to keep with medical records on your phone. If you want to keep the original VAX card in good condition enclose it in a ziplock bag. Be sure you have your healthcare provider add the information to your immunization/vaccination records. Play it safe out there!

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago

SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!

John
4 months ago

You hit the nail on the head

Dennis
4 months ago

Yes, Comrade, right away Comrade.

Billy
4 months ago

Any time I start feeling too positive about my fellow man, I go to the comment section of an article about COVID or politics to get my cynicism booster. Thanks for not disappointing me, folks!

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Billy

Sounds like a confusing statement. I appreciate we can express our views here, both sides. Hats off to the staff.

Vance
4 months ago

I had Covid last September. Since I have a natural immunity now, I feel no need to take any vaccine and I have no intention of doing so. That being said, when I am tested for Covid antibodies, will I have a similar ‘passport’ or will I be denied several rights because I didn’t participate in the mass gene therapy program?

Kamwick
4 months ago
Reply to  Vance

There is no guarantee that you have unlimited immunity. Please educate yourself.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Kamwick

Read above. Have a wonderful day, I mean that sincerely.

Kamwick
4 months ago

Which misinformation should I focus on? The “natural immunity” to an ever-changing virus? The “rights denial” or “mass gene therapy program”?

I’m having a wonderful day, you have one too. I mean that sincerely.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Kamwick

Focus in the instant. Know that nobody knows at this point. But the facts, as we can only know, as presented, show that NOT ONE PERSON in the US has been hospitalized because of a RE-OCCURANCE of this virus. Do not confuse that with lingering symptoms from the initial infection. That means, to date, that natural immunity, and vaccines SO FAR, are doing their biological jobs. Now your day will be even nicer :-), knowing the facts at this instant in time.

wolfe
4 months ago
Reply to  Kamwick

Medical fact from WHO/CDC: YES, if you have had the “natural” C19 virus, you DO have immunity, for sure, and better than any vaccine currently gives you. However, it is anticipated/projected that if you are NOT re-exposed to virii nor vaccine, your immunity will fall to high-90% after 3-4 years, and around 50% after 10 years (based on current titer decays). Every time you ARE re-exposed, you reset that clock, repeatedly. Same reason they are debating booster shots if we don’t reach herd immunity before 3 years.

Mutation: To date, there are several HUNDRED variants circulating, some more newsworthy than others, but immunity is IDENTICAL. NONE of the variants evade natural recovery antibodies nor those from the 3 current US vaccines. NONE. Yes, it’s possible eventually, but hasn’t happened yet. One of the UK variants seems to spread a little easier between unprotected folks, but has the same immune response and same immunity afterwards.

John
4 months ago
Reply to  Kamwick

You are the one that needs to educate themselves. Try some where besides the MSM,WHO,CDC and our government!

Tim
4 months ago
Reply to  John

Amen

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Tim

How about guidance from yourself. Last time I checked, I was the smartest person in the room. Albeit, I was alone 🙂

Alexis Cox
4 months ago
Reply to  Kamwick

When you say educate I believe the education comes from places like Science papers. scientific sites and etc. NOT CNN, MSNBC, abc, cbs, nbc. WHO or CDC! These media sites and the CDC or WHO are just propaganda sites and want to support the current puppet government. Go ahead yell at me, curse be out and call me a liar – you will be just blowing in the wind. I think for myself; I don’t need others (government included) to speak for me.

Scott Davis
4 months ago
Reply to  Vance

I agree with Vance your natural immunity is more effective because the vaccines are only substitutes for the real virus. Hence your COVID-19 positive form should be just a valid. Hopefully all this silly nonsense will end soon, and we’ll get our freedoms back.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Scott Davis

Scott, my uncle just willed me the Brooklyn bridge, it’s for sale.

No, seriously, did you see that clown Fauci at the Senate hearing, he had a double mask laying on the table in front of him. It’s political theater. These types love that we the unwashed worship him, (present company excluded) .

These types will NEVER let go. They are our saviors, just ask him.

Elaine Ashton
4 months ago

THANK YOU THANK YOU — refreshing to read somebody who has been paying attention to the RHETORIC and the total B.S.

Kamwick
4 months ago
Reply to  Scott Davis

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/01/419691/covid-19-vaccine-fact-vs-fiction-expert-weighs-common-fears

Vance has no idea what dosage he received from one infection. It’s impossible to know. There have been many cases of reinfection after 3 months. I work in the medical field, and frontline workers understand this. This is why, even if they’ve already had Covid, they go ahead and get the vaccine anyway.

This virus is also constantly evolving, and it tends to evolve in people with lower immune systems who cannot fight it as well. Many of those folks also can’t have vaccines. As with flu vaccines, when a majority of people get them, protection of society increases. It’s simple science. Sad that so many deny this.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Kamwick

The dosing began 9 weeks ago. NOBODY knows the results. If anyone tells you otherwise, ask them; ” so let me understand the argument, we have been vaccinating for 9 weeks, prior to that 30k people were involved in the first MRNA study ever. This was approved under ” emergency authorization”, which in fairness is a step, since they can’t and couldn’t do the normal FDA approved route. Please, we are not talking quack anti vacxers..here, but do not go blind into this, if your one of the 30 million or so that have gotten the antibodies normally.

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Kim Christiansen (@imkimc)
4 months ago
Reply to  Vance

Hi Vance,
Good point, but the problem is anti body testing isn’t wide spread yet and even then, we’re not sure how long that protection lasts. We’ve already had confirmed cases of re-infection and there are the variants. So far, these seem to be more infectious (spread further on smaller droplets). What we do know is that even if you get the virus after a vaccine the effects will be less severe.

I have a friend who is a chaplain with the local fire department, a volunteer position, and his family all had the virus so it’s likely he had it as well. He was still vaccinated although he, like you, wasn’t sure it was really necessary. Just to be safe when he’s around others in times of providing support during a trying time.

In the end it’s up to the individual. If you had C19 in September you’re probably protected for a while. Wait and see if you feel more comfortable about the vaccine in another couple of months and re-evaluate? For me, I’m in as soon as I can.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago

CORRECTION there have been NO ONE TO DATE HOSPITALIZED who got so called re-infected, I’m begging you, look it up before you state generalities

Tom Horn
4 months ago

When was the last time any of you heard of some one having the Flu. I have not heard the word spoken in over a year. Why is that

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Tom Horn

Because it doesn’t SELL. I mean think about it. The current clown show is taking this for everything it’s got. Those idiots (one party) authorized 1.9 trillion, of which a very small percentage was virus related. They used it to continue the bankruptcy.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Vance

Okay, I have to chime in here. Just the facts ma’am (Joe Friday, loved that show) For argument sake, let’s say the general population ( I’m taking US here) had effectively begun vaccination on any real scale, January 1st. It is now 9 weeks later. Do you really think ANYBODY KNOWS the effects of an MRNA vaccine with 9 weeks in? The initial study was done using 30K patients (as your reference) So, to the gentleman who got his immunity “naturally” god bless you man. Thousands and thousands of years of evolution has delivered antibodies to the <covid> virus to you.

Last edited 4 months ago by Kim Christiansen
BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago

Part two

If anybody tells you they know, just say, really, with 9 weeks into this, you really think YOU KNOW, then shut up and let em stumble a response, I’ve always enjoyed it myself. Look, nobody knows the effects of this vaccine, if any god willing. But to let some health professional tell you, or worse yet some useless governemt knucklehead, when you say but gee, we have only administered this for the last… ( do the calendar math) xx weeks, months, do we really actually know? When they give you some double speak, and they will, your BS indicator should register, it’s your heath, right!!

To date the mortality rate is ready .16% (pay attention to the decimal point) AND the median age of those passing from Wuhan complications, many ASSOCIATED with other maladies was 80 years of age. Median is the mid point.

Vance
4 months ago

Good points, Billy Bob.
The CDC website has a page that lists the adverse effects from being administered rDNA from all manufacturers. I ran the numbers and discovered this: The overall mortality rate of untreated Covid is .26%. The overall mortality rate from rDNA therapy is .28%. Now, don’t believe me, do the arithmetic yourself, folks. All the data is out there, available for you. Um, probably not on CNN’s website, though. Don’t get your science from TV commentators.

Vance
4 months ago
Reply to  Vance

I appreciate everyone chiming in. I would rather rely on a natural immunity provided by antibodies created by my own body after having had this disease than undergoing a rDNA gene therapy. My understanding is that these ‘vaccines’ are not actually vaccines at all. These so called vaccines work by subduing a protein in the body which will alleviate symptoms of Covid but will not grant any immunity to the virus.The antibodies in my system do grant that immunity and some immunity to mutations of the virus. Each time the Covid virus mutates, a new rDNA gene therapy will have to be developed and administered. Additionally, we have been told that even after being injected with this gene therapy, we are still expected to keep separated and wear a diaper on our faces. Or two or three or perhaps wrap our heads with Saran Wrap. I shall trust my natural immunity. I will not be contagious and I will not be infected by anyone else. If this is not true, this is the first virus that that allows this.

bryan
4 months ago

Got my first shot this past week. They told us that the sticker, which has the date and type of vaccine listed, was heat sensitive and not to put in our wallets, leave it in the car or have it laminated. Seems kinda weird that something so important is documented on cheap paper and a cheaper sticker.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  bryan

Crystal clear, the government produced it.

PennyPA
4 months ago

Why do I keep getting a “reCaptcha” error when I’m trying to reply to someone?

Admin
RV Staff (@rvstaff)
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

Sorry, PennyPA. I’ve just sent an email to our IT folks to see if they have any idea. Have a great day. 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com

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Kim Christiansen (@imkimc)
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

Hey PennyPA,

There’s a battle going on right now over how best to protect you from undue tracking, scammers, spammers and other bad things. And browsers like Firefox & Safari, security software like Norton or BitDefender, and websites like ours are trying to protect you and butting heads while we do that. I know that’s crazy, but that’s what’s going on.

If your browser (or security software like Norton or BitDefender) is blocking tracking, scripts and cookies then you need to allow RVtravel.com to send them. You should look for tracker or script blocking settings either in your browser or your security software and make sure that rvtravel.com is allowed to send (or whitelisted). Right now, Safari on Mac and iOS and Firefox on all platforms are actively blocking scripts and trackers and you have to allow them manually for each site you visit.

We’re working on a way to let your browser know that when we send a captcha or a poll, that it’s OK. Hopefully that wi

PennyPA
4 months ago

I am still up in the air on whether I want the shots or not. No one has given a good reason why I need to get the shots other than to say I will get a lesser version of the ***** disease if I have them.

Ron Lane
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

You, and others who think like you, are a main part of the problem of why so many folks are dying everyday.

Glenn
4 months ago
Reply to  Ron Lane

So true. So sad!

PennyPA
4 months ago
Reply to  Glenn

And I’ll just add to your comment that we don’t know how it spreads; we don’t know why some people get it and others don’t; and we know even less about the shots and what they do to our systems. I said I’m up in the air about taking these shots; I didn’t say I was not going to get them.

PennyPA
4 months ago
Reply to  Ron Lane

No, this isn’t true and you know it! The powers-that-be have told me to wear a mask and I do. They’ve told me that a mask will keep me from spreading the disease or keep me from catching the disease. Don’t come off as a holier-than-thou person when there is so much that we don’t know about this disease.

DlrP
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

A disease that has a 98%+ survival rate! No ‘immunizations’ for us…don’t care to be guinea pigs. We much prefer to maintain our health so that we aren’t susceptible to a ‘bad case’ of the ***** virus.

DlrP
4 months ago
Reply to  DlrP

I did not put *****; I put CHINA because that is where it originated.

Let’s see if this gets published.

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Kim Christiansen (@imkimc)
4 months ago
Reply to  DlrP

If you use that term we will ask you not to.
You know better, so be better.

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
4 months ago
Reply to  DlrP

I bleeped you, DirP. It is coronavirus or COVID-19. Naming it after a country is a slur, which is negatively impacting Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, particularly, at the moment. Are you going to also blame every country where a variant begins? Well, maybe that would work, because they keep popping up and, who knows, pretty soon maybe every country will be included. Then we can just call it … wait for it … coronavirus or COVID-19. Here’s some information reported in Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-04/where-are-we-in-hunting-for-the-coronavirus-s-origin-quicktake Do you have actual proof that it originated in a particular country? —Diane at RVtravel.com

Eric H
4 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Spanish flu, MERS (middle eastern respiratory disease)..How Dare You!
Ebola, West Nile Virus, Lyme Disease… Oh the humanity

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Interesting. It’s a country not a race. Therefore, how can it possibly be a slur, I’m confused. In retrospect, I think the desease, famously of 1917, that I think killed millions, don’t quote me, I’m not up on my math for this one, was, and still is called the Spanish Flu. I dont think anyone thought of race back then, so respecfully, what has changed?

Bill T
4 months ago

Agreed. I believe “RV Staff” overstepped on this one. A country is not a race. Referencing something to its country of origin has on racial overtones. Only media bias generates that intent. A little more self esteem and a little less “woke” will go along way to better our society. I apologize for digressing but the flavor of today’s “cancel culture” only serves to feed the fires of social instability.

Dave
4 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Thank you RV staff!

billh42
4 months ago
Reply to  DlrP

Hope for your sake you are not in the 2%. Let’s see 2% of roughly 300,000,000 people that’s 6,000,000 people…….

WEB
4 months ago
Reply to  billh42

The math for the USofA is as follows:
Pop. of 330M, of that 30M have tested Pos. = ~10%
562,000 have “died from” C19 out of 330,000,000 = 0.17%
At the moment MORE will die from heart disease and this is EVERY YEAR.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  WEB

I like your analogy, short and to the point. One thing that comes to mind, just think of the mental health issues. Wait till CPS data is released. The amount of damage that occured is almost incalcuable It sickens my heart every time I see an old person, driving their car ALONE, wearing a mask. Just think of the fear that has been instilled. Breaks my heart.

Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  WEB

You will not receive a response frombillh42, because you presented him with “facts”! Funny how the “facts” always seem to stop some people from sending a follow up post! Keep up the good work. In other words, telling the truth with facts!

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  billh42

That would be .16% so most are in the 99.86%. And unless you were rounding, i believe the US population is around 330 mil. Just a stickler for detail. Being that the country was in lockdown, I thought it would be valid to put the actual numbers out there for knowledge and constructive debate.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago

Oops. That’s 99.84%

wolfe
4 months ago
Reply to  DlrP

I believe you dropped a digit. The correct positive figure is 0.16, making above 99.84% survival. Keep in mind that pre-corona, we were at 76% survival. Granted it’s a misapplication of statistics to say pandemic was “good” for our health, but it’s not what it’s represented to be mathematically.

As for the “asterisk war” here, (read this whole sentence carefully!) the disease HAS been proven to be engineered in China’s Wuhan biolab in partnership with our own CDC, but that’s not a reason to fault all Asian people like an ignorant twit. Note too that we had a lesser hand in creating this. As long as you keep actual bigotry to yourself, it’s valid to refer to it by where it started, just as we do with Lyme (PA), West Nile, MERS, “bird flu”, etc… Just the facts, not the opinions.

WEB
4 months ago
Reply to  wolfe

My favorite is Legionnaires’ disease (yup, blame the old guys), which includes Pontiac fever or Pittsburgh pneumonia.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  wolfe

Change PA to CT. Excellent comment

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  DlrP

CORRECTION; in the interest of accuracy I need to correct your data. Mortality rate is .16%. Meaning the survival rate is 99.84%. Also, the median (midpoint) age of the deceased is 80 years old.

I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night 🙂

Eric H
4 months ago
Reply to  Ron Lane

Ron, you say that me not wearing a mask is going to kill you.. it’s been a year how much longer is this going to take?

Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  Ron Lane

You and others like you, are a main part of the problem why so many folks are living in fear needlessly! If you choose to live the life of an Ostrich, feel free to do so. But don’t belittle others that do not believe as you do! Otherwise you will hear from people like myself! Touché!

Leanne Hopkins
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

I know many people will comment negatively to you. I definitely will not be getting the vaccine. My husband, a physician, is vacillating about getting it. He said he is only considering the J&J because it’s been tested and it’s been made in the manner of other tried and true vaccines. He is uncomfortable with the testing of the others being done while the vaccinations are taking place. Also, the use of M-rna. is of concern. A side bar – I’ve done my independent research and agree with him, but I’m certain I won’t be taking it.
Lest you say I’m antivax, I’ve gotten annual flu shots, shingles, pneumonia, etc. I also am ok with others getting the vaccine if they’ve done their research and are comfortable taking it.

PennyPA
4 months ago
Reply to  Leanne Hopkins

Thank you!

Scott Davis
4 months ago
Reply to  Leanne Hopkins

I was undecided as well. Like your husband I opted for the J&J for the same reason. Everyone should do what they are comfortable with rather then being socially and medically forced to being a human guinea pig.

wolfe
4 months ago
Reply to  Leanne Hopkins

Thank you for the voice of reason among so much mob-chanting. I too am VERY educated on the disease as well as vaccine efforts, and would ONLY consider the J&J (non-RNA) for myself, and only if literally forced to take one. Like you, I’ve taken every other disease vaccine before this because I DO support mass vaccination, but the mRNA mutagens are NOT vaccines in the classic sense.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  wolfe

If they ” force” you, all Hell..will break loose. They, will however try to coerce you by not allowing you to fly, take a greyhound, a train, etc., or wherever else there is a bottleneck.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Leanne Hopkins

Awe, stop making sense, your ruining the beautiful thing they got going.

Brian
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

There are not bodies piled up in the streets. Many parts of US never closed up or required implmentaion of the CDC speculation of reccomendations… and the infection and pneumonia rate is consistent across most population densities.
Please don’t hesitate to travel and respond to the “recommendations” as you see fit.

GeorgeB
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

You are correct that little is known about the long-term effects of the vaccination, but I am much less fearful of those unknows than I am of the unknowns of getting Covid. It can be minimal illness, it can be death. So far I have not read anything to deter me from being vaccinated. The benefit of feeling safe when around friends and family, especially grandkids, is worth the shot. I’m safer and so are my loved ones. Life isn’t always about just us. There are no guarantees the vaccine is 100% safe, but there is no guarantee you won’t die from Covid if infected either.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  GeorgeB

Um, yes and no. You have a .16% chance of death, IF you fall into the subset of median age of 80 years old. On the other hand, your agreeing to having a vaccine, currently being administer under ” emergency authorization”. Don’t get me wrong, it’s your choice, AS IT SHOULD BE. But, I just wanted you to know the FACTS. Carry on.

Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  GeorgeB

Several people have died after getting the “vaccination”. But don’t let that small fact get in the way of your train of thought!

Alaska Traveler
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

I think you have a good question. I have received both Moderna shots and I’m very happy about it. My decision was because of my age and I absolutely did not want to get Covid. My adult granddaughter, who was healthy before she contracted Covid, is housebound 6 months later, still sick and nearly suicidal from depression. I also feel good about visiting older friends and family and not worrying that we may infect each other.

Kamwick
4 months ago

Thank you for sharing your experience. This virus can be a real life changer. While the free**** crowd focuses on those who experienced mild cases, the reality is that an enormous amount of people have died (not and others have long term serious effects. Heartfelt wishes for your granddaughter to make a full recovery.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago

I am so sorry to hear about your grand daughter. I DO NOT mean this in anyway hurtful. But i believe in cases like your family, I suspect they will find a lot as to the why healthy people suffer so much. So much is being kept from we, the unwashed. If it was engineered from other corona types, and escaped the lab, then so much is at risk. That old movie The Andrameda Strain might not be as far fetched after all.

Scott Davis
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

Yeah I was on the fence too. It’s a risk vs reward gamble just like choosing whether to drive a car or have surgery. I’m hoping we (America) doesn’t freak out again when China does this again in the future. The social costs (freedoms), monetary costs (jobs, business) and government debt ($4+ trillion) is not something our nation could endure again. Hopefully our Democrat friends will be more measured next time.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Scott Davis

We can’t endure it now. 1.9 trillion last week. The clowns in charge are putting together another 3 trillion. Milton Friedman is rolling in his grave.

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Kim Christiansen (@imkimc)
4 months ago
Reply to  PennyPA

Hey Penny, Please don’t use negative racial terms like “China Disease”. Just call it covid or corona virus.

Goldie
4 months ago

It has not been that long since international travel to many countries required certain vaccinations. Being first a Navy brat and then a Navy wife, I had to prove more than one vaccination before being permitted to travel with my parents or my spouse. Being a polio survivor gives me a VERY healthy respect for vaccines. That I survived with few long term effects was credited to having received my first polio vaccination prior to contracting the illness. It didn’t prevent it from happening but it allowed me to survive and reduced contagion enough that none of my close friends or family caught the virus. Sound familiar to anyone?

Bill T
4 months ago

I have the understanding that the vaccine will not stop someone from getting or transmitting the virus, only that it reduces the effects for most if you contract it. If this is true, I fail to see how a vaccination and subsequent “passport” will do anything to mitigate the spread. Having specific COVID documentation seems superficial. No one has ever asked me for for other vaccination proof, (eg. MMR, polio, small pox, et al), to travel internationally.

Colin Grant
4 months ago
Reply to  Bill T

I have but it was a long time ago. I had a book with all my different vaccinations issued by my local government health office.

pammy
4 months ago
Reply to  Bill T

wrong – I had to get special vaccinations when I traveled to south east asia in the 80s (don’t remember what they were) so this is not new.

Bill T
4 months ago
Reply to  pammy

Probably true in the 80’s but the case is different today. Three years ago I traveled to that part of the world and didn’t require showing any of that info at the airports or customs.

Tom Sheppard
4 months ago
Reply to  Bill T

Bill T brings up a very valid question that I have not seen officially answered. Does the shot stop someone from getting the virus and/or spreading it? I’ve only seen claims of lessened symptoms – NOT immunity. If someone knows of evidence of immunity from the shot, please pass that information on to the rest of us.

wolfe
4 months ago
Reply to  Tom Sheppard

It’s hard to measure degrees of attenuation (other than death rates), but the short answer is yes to both. Light exposure to the real thing (below the dose where you “get” it) or getting the vaccines acts as a “wanted poster” for your immune system — when exposed again, your system responds faster to kill off the virus. So, you’ll theoretically get it mildly when you would have gotten it severely, or maybe not even notice when you would have gotten it mildly. As far as spread, the faster you recover, the less virii you re-transmit to others, so it does slow/stop the spread if you never get it severely.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  wolfe

I buy SLOW, because common sense dictates your in a smaller wind or of contagion. STOP, entirely inaccurate.

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Tom Sheppard

The OFFICIAL answer is; THEY HAVE NO IDEA. Why you ask, well that’s an easy one. They have been administering the “shot” for 9 weeks!!!!!

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Bill T

Bill your DANGEROUS, you are edumacated…Carry on Mr. T you nailed it dude!

Glen Cowgill
4 months ago

If this card is so important then make it so it can be easily carried like a credit card or driver’s license. I look at mine from the VA and my wife’s from CVS and they are totally different in the way they are filled out, but still about the same bulky size made of cardboard. I think I will put mine with my Passport.

Ed D.
4 months ago

Continued:
11) If the pandemic started in 2019, then how did all the governments around the world order and deliver COVID-19 PCR Test Kits the year before?

Dave
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Ed – I think you need a new news source

Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  Dave

Dave, I think you need to wake up! You obviously have your opinion and I respect that. But I, on the other hand, have my opinion and I expect you to respect that. We can always agree to disagree. An opinion is just that, an “opinion”!
But I can tell you one thing. I have more than one friend that is a registered Nurse in a Hospital and I have heard the same from all of them. They did not have any Hospital over crowding and there was not an abnormally high rate of people coming in with covid. #8 on my list is something you really need to consider.

Dave
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

#8 or any number you listed is all made up info or claimed facts from Q. I have trust in some of the medical journals and journalism that has gone deeper in the WSJ. CNN and FOXNews are both fantasy-land for two islands competing for ad $.
Facts – incredible amount of people have died that didn’t need to; Hospitalizations were out of control for short periods; every country is experiencing it – this isn’t made up by US politicians. A disease has been made political to try to help getting re-elected (term limits anyone?). Gaiter masks do nothing yet businesses accept them.
Most people want to help each other and look out for one another. Yet social media and this comment thread give amplification to the minority of craziness.

Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  Dave

I can see you know all about what being crazy is like. You think you have the answers but you present nothing more than conjecture and speculation. I could care less about the main stream misledia outlets. They all have zero credibility! But what does have credibility with me is the “overall” deaths in this country last year were not any higher than in previous years. Prove me wrong on that einstein! I want to hear it.
I have friends (Registered Nurses) in Hospitals and they have all said that their hospitalization admission rates were not any higher than in previous years. Why is that? You sir, are just a gullible individual!

Rapidman
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

And Ed, why are you making up most of this baloney?

You need to get your information from better sources.

Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  Rapidman

Like who? Dr. Fauci? CDC? The WHO? Tell me rapidman! Where do you get your information?

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

I wouldn’t rely on the WHO, too much funding from one said country, which will go unnamed as it seems to be a hot potato. Common sense says, if you give lots of money to an organization, they just might be a bit less likely to render adverse information, but thats just me.

Ed D.
4 months ago

Agreed!

Ed D.
4 months ago

Continued:
7) If the lock-downs did not work, then, why, pray tell, are we doing the same thing again? ( “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”—Albert Einstein )
8) Why is the government only listening to their own very small panel of ‘so-called’ experts, and refusing to listen to the vast majority of doctors, nurses and health officials whom have stalwartly disavowed many of the claims coming from these government-run entities ( CDC, FDA, WHO, etc…)?
9) Why do we see scenes of Pandemonium in hospitals on TV, when in reality the vast majority of them have been practically empty since the beginning of this ‘so-called’ pandemic?
10) If there really is a pandemic, then why are there thousands of nurses out of work?

Gordy B
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

11)How was Dr. Fauci able to predict a pandemic in 2020 way back in 2016 ?

Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  Gordy B

Fauci never predicted a pandemic. In 2017 Fauci said the Trump administration would face an “infectious disease” at some point.
Now we have to ask ourselves, how Could Fauci, or anyone for that matter, predict when a disease would affect the USA?
It has been established that Fauci, had an interest in the Wuhan Laboratory where it came from.

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.
Ed D.
4 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Reuters is not the ultimate authority on anything. It is just another news organization that likes to think they are always right.
If I were going to place credence on any source of information, I would place it in President Trump, who had access to the most powerful investigation organizations in the world. He said it came out of Wuhan, China.
Diane, your fact check does not pass the sniff test!

BILLY Bob Thronton
4 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Reuters reported that 45 would lose. “and that’s all I have to say about that” – Forest Gump

Ed D.
4 months ago

That’s because the media was in on the fix! “That’s the way the cookie crumbles” – Jim Carrey

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