Is Top Tier gasoline really necessary?

Dear Dave,
Do I really need to use Top Tier Premium Gasoline in my car? —Diane, 2024 Audi Q5

Dear Diane,
This actually has been a situation that occurred twice now with my wife’s car. It displayed an error code that indicated “Drive System: Malfunction! Please contact Service.” Unfortunately, the nearest Audi Service Department is 120 miles away and, yes, we knew that when we bought the car. We were also reassured by the salesman that, “It’s an Audi. It doesn’t need service!” I think he might have sold RVs at one time?

Audi Error
Audi error code

So, last year when the warning first came on we risked the 120-mile drive to take it to the Audi dealer. They hooked up the “special” On Board Diagnostic (OBD) reader and the code indicated fuel system contamination. The owner’s manual states that only Top Tier, Premium Gasoline should be used in the vehicle for the higher levels of detergents that keep the engine cleaner and creates less carbon deposits.

A recent AAA article posted that non-top tier gasoline left 19 times more engine deposits—which I find hard to believe. However, after spending an entire day just to have the error code reset and a quarter of the tank drained, we decided not to risk using “dirty gas”.

According to www.toptiergas.com:

TOP TIER™ Approved Fuels clean harmful carbon deposits left over in your engine from low-quality gas, restoring performance, fuel economy and drivability—all at no extra cost, in every octane, at stations you already trust.

I disagree with the statement “all at no extra cost”. The only station that sells Top Tier Premium in our area is Kwik Star. It is now $6+ per gallon, while regular 10% ethanol is $3.30 per gallon.

What makes TOP TIER™+ Approved Gasoline different?

Here is the description from toptiergas.com:

The new TOP TIER™+ fuel standards are designed for today’s state-of-the-art spark ignited engine technologies, especially high-efficiency GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection) fuel systems coupled with down-sized boosted engines. Modern GDI engines deliver maximum performance when operating cleanly. The new TOP TIER™+ Approved Gasoline standards add three new engine tests to help ensure cleaner fuel injectors, optimal emissions and more efficient combustion.

It goes on to state that 73% of new cars and trucks have the GDI fuel systems. It states that automobile manufacturers such as BMW, General Motors, Stellantis, Ford, Honda, Daimler Truck, Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, International and Audi all recommend and sponsor the Top Tier program.

Also, TOP TIER™ prohibits the use of organometallic additives (what?) that are known to damage emissions after-treatment systems. Some of the emissions issues it lists are hard starting and stalling, which I think is ironic. This Audi has the feature that shuts the engine down when you come to a stop—which I hate—and then magically starts up a few times during a red light.

Another error message

Fast forward 8 months later and, once again, we have an error message. However, our local O’Reilly Auto Parts store has an OBD II that will read an Audi error message. Once again, it shows we have “bad gas”. I’ve had “bad gas” and wish we could just throw in a Beano and be done with it.

I assure you that we, meaning my wife, as I don’t get to drive the Audi, only purchases the Top Tier Premium non-ethanol at the only station in a 50-mile radius that has it. So why the error code?

We finally got a call back from the service technician at the Audi dealership and they suggested we tell Kwik Star that they have bad gas! Nope. He also suggested checking the fuel cap, as a loose cap could affect the pressure and give a false signal. WHAT? A thousand sensors, regulators, computers, and whatyamacallits, and a loose cap can put your car into limp mode?! Not buying it.

Not an uncommon situation

Then we got a call from another technician at the selling dealership as I had left a very direct message concerning the legitimacy of the bad gas/loose cap situation. I found that this is not an uncommon situation and there is a possible firmware update that is being considered. He suggested running the tank down to below 1/8th level, filling with known Top Tier fuel, and unhooking the negative cable on the battery for one minute to reset the code. I think he might have previously worked for Microsoft and pulled the “Have you tried restarting your computer?” diagnosis.

My 2016 Chevy Silverado has no problem with any type of fuel, although using E85 seems to be like flushing a toilet when it comes to fuel economy. I have also been told that running even 10% ethanol in small engines such as lawn mowers, weed eaters, and even generators is not good as it burns hotter.

However, I know hundreds of RV owners that have been running 10% or more in their rigs for years and running the generators with no heat issues. The only issue I know of is that not “exercising” the generator once a month to clean out the varnish will cause it to not start. However, I think that is with any type of gasoline.

Good ol’ days

I worked at a full-service gas station in high school and college and even owned my own for a few years with a friend and we actually pumped the gas, washed the windows, checked the oil and tires, and made change by counting back the money! We didn’t have those fancy registers that told you what change to give, remember getting a $20 for $10.50 in gas and counting back “50 cents is $11, one two three four dollars makes $15, and a five makes $20!” Of course, with Top Tier gas that would be less than two gallons today. OUCH.

I also have been secretly testing gasoline for years, leaving it in my lawn mower year-round without any stabilizer. Yes, it fires off every spring. And I have had the same oil in it for three years and, yes, there is a little “blue smoke” at the startup—but we have no mosquitoes.


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19 Comments

Tom
1 month ago

Everything we own that runs on gasoline runs fine on E10. One very bad experience with E15 and I will never do that again. Greatly reduced mileage on E15.
Sorry, corn farmers.

Larry m
1 month ago

I don’t believe anything about top tier gasoline, it’s got to be a gimmick to suck more money out of your wallet. I have been on this earth for 76 years and oil companies know how to rip you off.

STACEY STONE
1 month ago

Doesn’t Ford recommend top-tier gas in their F150 eco-boost trucks?

Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  STACEY STONE

Probably, but top tier does NOT mean that it contains no ethanol. It means that certain additives are introduced into the gas at the distribution depot.
The ethanol content is also mixed in there.
The raw gas in the tanks is 100% non ethanol.
It would take 4-5 separate pipelines to supply all grades of gas to the depot.

Bill
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

I think the pipeline companies put a “pig” in the lines to separate different grades/shipments.

Ron
1 month ago

Pay me now or pay big time later

Mikal
1 month ago

Great article, Dave. Our 2016 Silverado has 100K miles on E10, not a single issue and fuel economy is still excellent for a full sized 4×4 crew cab.

It’s well documented that ethanol takes more resources to create than it gives back, but the big corn states like Iowa and my home state, love it.

I wonder if dumping a bottle of fuel deposit cleaner additive into a tank of normal gas would be a lot cheaper and just as good vs paying double for non-ethanol premium?

Bob
1 month ago

This is a little misleading. Dave says “premium” non ethanol is the only top tier gas his stations sells.
Top tier has nothing to do with the grade of the gasoline. We have many stations here that sell all grades labeled as Top Tier. They have the additives added at the distribution depot.
I doubt that the Audi requires only premium non- ethanol fuel. It may state premium, which has a higher octane rating.

Also, vehicles that state using only E10 will be affected if you use E15,
E85 is limited to vehicles designed for this fuel only.
It’s also a lot of hype that non-ethanol is almost double the cost. That 10% ethanol should not reduce the price all that much.

David Solberg
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Sorry for the confusion Bob. What I meant was the owner’s manual stated we needed Top Tier Premium fuel and Kwik Star is the only gas station within 50 miles that has it. I did not mean that Top Tier was strictly non-ethanol premium as other grades can be Top Tier.

Tom W
1 month ago

I am a firm believer of using it after having issues with my Ram. The point is that Kwik star is no longer top tier since covid. If it doesn’t say top tier at the pump its probably not and this can be confirmed on the top tier web site. You can get it at Costco which is less expensive, Shell and is completive priced and many other if you use their reward programs. Former skeptic now a believer.

David Solberg
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom W

We live in Northern IA and the nearest Costco is 120 miles away. So the Kwik Star that is actually only 10 miles from my home is the only station listed on the Top Tier site that has it within 50 miles which is Albert Lea MN

Jim Johnson
1 month ago

I use Top Tier gasoline, when available within a penny or two of a less expensive station. For example, Costco is Top Tier, but Murphy Oil (Walmart) in the opposite direction is not. Locally I use them 50/50 depending on the direction I am headed.

I drive a Subaru Ascent (and tow a small TT). The engine is Turbo charged and most engines like this recommend premium (higher octane) fuel. Subaru explicitly in the manual recommends 87 up to 10% ethanol. It also explicitly says the car will run with premium octane fuel, but it won’t get ANY better mileage (in other words, don’t waste your money). I did test both no ethanol and premium and guess what? The manual was dead on.

dwjwdakota
1 month ago

Very informative article & humorous Dave. I use 10% ethanol in my GM V6 and in the MH GM 454 with minimal problems – like some reduced mileage after awhile – I put in a can of fuel system cleaner and the mileage comes up 1 or 2 mpg. On the V6 I had a check engine lite come on so I added a can of cleaner and it went out. After about 2,000 mi. it has now come back on and the cleaner has not helped. OBDII reader advises the O2 sensor after the Cat conv. is at fault. Amazon Auto suggested removing and cleaning it before replacing. I would guess the fuel system clnr removes the carbon you noted and opens the injectors for a cleaner spray. Clnr cost is less than prem. fuel.

Terry Cuyler
1 month ago

I find Top Tier at my local Costco and it is usually the least expensive gas locally. Sometimes a few pennies over “cash price” at a few stations. I drive a Wagoneer ll with a 26 gallon tank so paying with cash is not preferable. Used it in my former Expedition as well.

Gary W.
1 month ago

Some of the cheapest gas around here is Top Tier. Also, Top Tier is not non-ethanol.
Author needs to get his facts straight.

David Solberg
1 month ago
Reply to  Gary W.

Sorry for the confusion, I did not mean to say the Top Tier was non-ethanol, rather Audi required Top Tier, Premium, Non-ethanol.

Rich
1 month ago

I don’t know when the “Top Tier Gas’ scam was first introduced but we drive our cars until they practically drop dead under us. We typically keep our cars 12-15 years. Most recently our 2003 Wrangler (2-door TJ) went 20-years and well over 125,000-miles on the engine before we sold it and it’s still running around town. We’ve owned cars since 1970 and I don’t recall any of them needing repairs due to gasoline issues.

Gary W.
1 month ago
Reply to  Rich

It’s not a scam.

KGT
1 month ago

Here’s what AAA has to say about Top Tier gasoline…
https://www.ace.aaa.com/automotive/advocacy/top-tier-gasoline.html