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Breese

Mr. Woodbury you answered my question. My husband grew up camping with his family from a tent to a 25 foot RV in the 60’s. I did not. I started in 2010 with a 30 now a 38 footer. My husband and I visited some of the State/Federal parks of his childhood memories. He was shocked on how the conditions were at his beloved State/Federal parks. Some were deteriorated so bad that we couldn’t level our RV, unmaintained grounds (to my standards), disrespectful neighbors, unsupervised children and dogs, and the list goes on. There were a few nice ones, nice people, and good experiences. My point is that experiencing the outdoors is priceless as your readers agreed. Nature doesn’t change, people (campers) changed nature by destroying their fellow man/woman/child experience. In some cases they’ve destroyed nature too. I know your article was a hard topic for some people to swallow because you wrote about a change that things are not the same, specifically RVs. Can you investigate why camping styles have made us more divided. Ex: rv park vs rv resort, camping vs glamping, small vs big. Do you see where I’m coming from? At the end of the day we all see the same moon.

Bill Semion

Nope, I’m not. Now you’re missing my point, as you mentioned to someone above. 😉
I’m simply stating that there is more to RVing or “camping,” as people today experience it, than watching the TV outside in your entertainment hub, and hibernating inside your trailer all day! Get out and enjoy it again, or if you’ve never done so, get out and enjoy it for the first time! Leave that TV behind! There’s a whole world out there to enjoy! Without the effluent! 😉

Bill Semion

Ha! And I’ve also been at a state park in Michigan to witness one poor slob who, perhaps unknowingly, or more likely, knowingly because of the smell, trundled his plastic portable holding tank to the dump station while dumping perfumed water THROUGHOUT the campground along the access roads, including past my rig. Come’on. Their bathroom was about 60 feet from their trailer’s front door!! Yes, some folks can’t do it. But really?? You roll by in your RAM diesel pickup hauling wretched refuse and dumping it all over the park, when you can easily walk 60 feet?? What a waste! So to speak! 😉

Bill Semion

Hmmm…..not needing public campgrounds anymore because you don’t need a bathroom….welll. I respectfully disagree. I agree that you need a topic to stir comments online, but saying we don’t need public campgrounds?? I’d much rather stay in a state or national forest campground, or at least a well-spaced state campground site, and use their equipment to shower, etc., than mine. We use our bathroom sparingly, simply because of what’s pointed out elsewhere in your newsletter about “crud” in the holding tanks, and how to blast it out, fer instance. Why would i want a buncha waste sloshing around in my RV when I can walk 50 feet and use the campground’s facilities? I’ve been at many national forest and COE sites that have very acceptable facilities. And, why would I want to stay at a subdivision on wheels facility when I can see trout rise in a stream from my door, enjoy a site that isn’t 20 feet from my neighbor, and actually listen to nature instead of someone’s TV? There’s another editorial subject for you: What’s the point of camping if you’re bringing your house with you and ignoring the very point that is/was staying in natural surroundings? Staying in a fine hotel is probably cheaper than staying in an RV sub, when all costs, including that RV, are considered. Bravo for state and national parks and forest campgrounds. And, If you don’t use’em, you will indeed, lose’em.

Dave Piposzar

Chuck,
Been camping for 60 years and still enjoy my 13 foot 1965 Scotty trailer and refuse to camp in private campgrounds when county, state, and federal agencies depend on us to sustain their parks. The bathhouses still provide a welcome relief for us few remaining tenters, backpackers, and “real campers”. Ever ask how many of those fancy RVers use the park showerhouses because they dont want to get their expensive motorhome all wet! You might be surprised. I’m glad you ended with the phase , “I hope the public campgrounds never go away, but I fear modern RVs, which are designed more for “living” than camping, will be better suited for commercial RV parks than more remote, scenic campgrounds that offer a more meaningful experience with nature. Don’t hope, make it happen by supporting the parks!

Jerry X Shea

Hi Chuck, your current RV experience can be very enjoyable if you will just take the philosophy of Bob Dylan – “The times they are a changing” As I see it, and as you have written/posted, everything as you knew it, in RVing/camping, is GONE. And I will agree. As an 11 year fulltimer, in a motorhome, we never stay in a park that says “CAMPGROUND.” That is modern day code for tents, pop-ups, family’s and kids. All of which we left years ago. KOA is for “Kids” – why would a retired couple, driving a motorhome want to go to a park FOR KIDS? Stop looking for “Campgrounds” and start looking for RV Resorts, RV Parks. We did a 2 year East Coast trip and our average cost to park our Motorhome = $18.35 a night. How did we do that? We joined Coast To Coast, RPI and ROD. Yes, we front loaded ($$$) our travel stays and the rewards over the years have been great.

RVanator

Hey Chuck,without getting to personal,could you give a cost in your rv compared to your condo budget,just interested if costs were similar,thanks for Chuck’tell it like it is’Woodbury’

Ed Killgore

Excellent article, Chuck. Some have read, but unfortunately failed to comprehend the point you are making. You are too subtle. And yes, many of us have progressed from tents and keeping company with the bears to living the ‘good life’ with A/C, TV and warm showers. Each stage has been fun with it’s own rewards. Unfortunately, as more learn of this exciting recreational opportunity, and later the economical alternative lifestyle it affords, it will continue to become more challenging to find the accommodations we seek. The more enterprising remember their motto when they first started – “Be Prepared”, make your plans accordingly.

Lois

i was wondering if the hotels are having the same problem of being booked up?
When I retire I thought we could do casual traveling thru the country without a year in advance planning.
Now I am thinking of scratching the RV plans and use hotels.
Thank you Chuck, we do enjoy your writing.

Mike Ward

Being a tent, trailer camper and now a “Class A Glamper” I don’t find crowded campgrounds in and of themselves awful. For me, the disappointment comes from noise coming from generators. Several times I have walked over and turned off generators at sites where people left for the day. Yeah, I’m a jerk, but then was leaving a noisy generator running all day any less considerate?

At the Grand Canyon, they limit generators to an hour a day between 6/7pm. That to me is a sensible idea I would like see instituted elsewhere.

Mike Ward

Chuck is a reporter. Reporters report how things are, not as we want them to be (well, maybe not Fox News). Am I disappointed that RV sites are the way the are? Of course, but I certainly don’t want someone to tell me a lie. It hurts to hear these things but really, would you want it any other way?

Tumbleweed

It blows my mind that people complain about crowded campgrounds and then keep going to them or quit RVing altogether. There IS a solution, and it will lead to better camping experiences than you’ve ever had. Get solar panels and start boondocking! You’ll never need a reservation again and you’ll have the beautiful, quiet campsites that RV parks advertise but don’t provide, sometimes even on a lake.

John Hiler

Your letter on Public Campgrounds may be the silliest thing I’ve read this week. The Idaho Mountains are packed with folks in Public Campgrounds. We don’t have to knuckle under to Corporate America (Actually World) for everything. Maybe you do for your advertising but I certainly don’t and won’t…

Bonnie Pascucci

Your editorial on not needing public campgrounds/outhouses is as selfish as I can imagine. It is the same attitude as we need only wilderness experience or there is no need for wilderness because I can’t drive my machines in it.

PLEASE be open minded for the tenters, backpackers and fisherman who use the campground as access to a river. RVers are the center of only your universe.

Bart Cronin

Don’t forget the trend of private parks now calling themselves “Resorts”. I’ve seen a number of them I wouldn’t dream of staying in, and not certainly “Resorts” that I would expect. There should be some criteria/ Don’t be fooled.

Mike and Linda

We agree with your last two essays on the direction private campgrounds are heading. They are becoming more and more expensive, crowded, filled with people living there permanently, etc.. We have been full-timing for many years and have had to learn to make our reservations 6 months to a year in advance at our nation’s beautiful Federal public campgrounds. It was a pain at first, but now we actually prefer it as we can choose the exact campsite we want (and usually view a photo of it). We avoid private campgrounds like the plague. You need to make a decision as to what direction you want your “full-time” RV life to take… either be committed to adapting to the public campground reservation system and plan your calender at least 6 months ahead, or accept the direction private campgrounds/RV parks are going and be willing to put up with the conditions. We are in our 70’s now and have decided that for the remaining years we can enjoy this marvelous adventure, we will plan our schedule, make our reservations and continue to enjoy the great beauty our National Forests and Parks offer. Life is too short to be be miserable and crowded into some private campground.

Tom & Josie

Dear Chuck, Thanks for all the info on the state of the RVing industry. Both positive and negative. Any owner of a RV that we have met in recent years have tales of things that should have been addressed and fixed before delivery of their unit. Your weekly list of recalls by the RV manufactures is proof! We would recommend the “RV DOCTORS” Mr. Gary Bunzer’s RV book to all. It has saved us many trips to the dealer.

Patricia Purtell

In response to your editorial regarding the redundancy of public parks, I applaud your suggestion to fellow ‘big riggers’. Please encourage all ‘luxury 35+ vehicles’ to stay where they belong…in expensive resorts. Then those of us traveling in smaller, less luxurious vehicles can enjoy our natural space and not feel like we are parked in a Greyhound Terminal and all the aesthetic wonder that includes. I have been traveling in my 18 ft Fiberglas trailer across the USA since October 1 and I am now heading home from the pacific coast. I understand the human need for our creature comforts, especially those of us who are in the ‘boomer’ bracket. Dish washer , 3 TVs. 2 baths. Pulling a car behind the BUS. Once again our generation has exceeded itself. Leave the state and national parks to the little guys, big rigs are just blocking our view.

Dave Graham

I was contemplating unsubscribing to RV Travel.com because of so much negativity of the website the last 2 or 3 weeks. I subscribe to this website to get RV information, find interesting places to visit, and listen to other RVers experiences around the country. I have enjoyed this website for a long time and contribute periodically. Everyone has their own definition of RV camping. We used to tent camp a lot here in Arizona when we were younger. Now we still camp in the forest but in a 35′ 5th Wheel. We also use our RV to visit historic locations we were not able to see when we were younger. We also stay in RV parks when we to see a DooWop show or visit family because ii is cheaper than staying in a hotel or motel. Some people just boondock. Others are Full Time Rvers. And some use RVs for multiple reasons. If we all liked the same thing there would only be 1 car, 1 truck, 1 RV available for all to purchase, But having personal wants and needs, there are many options and choices for all. Please start reporting about positive RVing because we all seem to have more than enough negativity in our lives every day and don’t need to add to it on Saturday morning.

Calvin Rittenhouse

Plenty of tent campers would rather the RVers abandon the State and Federal campgrounds, and more people camp in tents than by any other means.