What has happened to us, that we are so angry?

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With Chuck Woodbury
EDITOR
I was very disheartened last Saturday by many of the remarks about our cover story, which I wrote. I will not even mention the subject for fear of stirring the pot again. More than 400 readers commented, an all-time high for this website. Many of those comments were just plain mean-spirited.

Like many people, I am saddened by the rudeness, the meanness of our society, where so many people are so disrespectful to those who may disagree with their beliefs.

I have written bylined essays for more than three decades. Before the internet I received dozens of letters each week from my readers. They arrived in my mailbox. They were almost never rude. People disagreed with me often, but they did so with respect. Not anymore, not with the Internet.

Liberals hate Conservatives and Conservatives hate Liberals. My grandmother told me when I was a little boy to refrain from using the word “hate” unless I really meant it. I’m sorry, Grandma, for disobeying.


In the two years Gail and I traveled full time in our RV, we met a thousand other RVers. We sat around campfires. We joined together for evening cocktails. I never remember one person jumping on another person because they said something that conflicted with their own beliefs. I am sure those people represented the entire political spectrum. And yet we enjoyed our conversations and laughed often.

Some readers of this newsletter think they know it all; they have all the answers. They are right and those who disagree with them are wrong. They have, what the late motivational speaker Zig Ziglar used to call, “hardening of the attitudes.”

The thing is, if you think about it, the people they verbally assault are almost all good people — “Mom” and “Dad” to their kids and “Grandpa” and “Grandma” to their grandkids. They are treasures to their friends. They go to church, volunteer in their communities, do good deeds. And, like you and me, they enjoy their RVs and the lifestyle we are so fortunate to lead. Their politics may be different. What is so wrong with that? Isn’t that our right in a democracy?

Yet, those mean-spirit people can vent their anger, even hatred, when communicating online. Would they say the same if they were face-to-face? I doubt it.

The internet has given everyone the power to share their views with hundreds, even thousands of others. All one needs is a computer or smartphone. The person they attack is faceless, as are they. What has happened to some people that they are so disrespectful to others? Most of us are trying our best. We don’t attack our next door neighbors for being different, but strangers … bombs away! Is it wrong that we should say what we believe, in hopes that in conversation (or in writing) we can come to understand others’ points of view? How do we ever learn, even grow, if we stop exploring ideas that conflict with our own?

To those of you who respect others, who enjoy hearing others’ opinions, you are to be treasured in today’s angry world. I hope you remain a part of this audience for as long as I can move my fingers across a keyboard.

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chipper
chipper

bravo… I’ve left bulletin boards because of this. I’ve seen a person ask a simple question be taken to their knees because someone else asked the same question a year ago and heaven forgive them because they didn’t search the archives. The fundamental idea if a BBS is to allow people to ask questions and seek answers. Yes, you are correct. It’s too easy to criticize a faceless person. The internet has done so much good for us and so much bad has come from it too.

Brian
Brian

Ah yes, the problem and the answer. This world runs on Money.. Power.. and Sex. If your lacking in one or more of these areas you are angry at other people that have the one(s) you’re missing in life. Listen carefully to what people say in a conversation or watch how they act in any given situation you can quickly figure out which area they’re lacking in and are trying to make up for it. Just get on the highway and drive 10 MPH over the speed limit in the fast lane you’ll see what I mean. I drive a… Read more »

Gail Behrle
Gail Behrle

Well said Chuck!

David R Van Gelder
David R Van Gelder

Chuck, I am a 76 year old retired farmer from Vermont and I could not agree with you more. In addition to the internet being available we also have been inundated from our leader in Washington who should be setting the example for our country. Instead he tries to act like a dictator who has no regard for his words and deeds. Words have consequences ! His example for our country is to bully his opponents, threaten if he doesn’t get his way, be just down right mean when it suits him. Our president has set our country back many… Read more »

Paulette
Paulette

It is our right to voice our opinions but in a respectful manner and not with force or I’m right,your wrong! I think it is because people can be anonymous and hide their identity.

Brian
Brian

It called “Internet muscles”, it’s the new way to bully people and you get to walk away unscathed. They will beat you with experience. You did it in High School so you know who you are.
Try it in person, sport.

Captn John
Captn John

I get ads I do not like in my mail box and with the newspaper. They are ignored. If not for Chuck’s strong dislike of CW and it’s CEO the ad would not have been mentioned. It would have been ignored. At the very least stating CW is selling guns was only to cause an uproar as CW is NOT selling guns, they simply included an ad of a sister company. Chuck needs to get past the hate of CW and Marcus as it is only going to grow and not go away. Please don’t start the “20 year loan”… Read more »

Dry Creek
Dry Creek

Well, to be fair – I only have one question.

I’m a Lifetime Member of GS (purchased just before the unfortunate political stance taken by ML). I usually get all of the junk mail in the world from them. I have never received any of their catalogs advertising sporting arms.

I feel cheated.

Carolyn M. Ausborn
Carolyn M. Ausborn

I just joined this discussion site for RVers and read Chuck Woodbury’s article above about all of the naysayers on this site, angry and rude comments directed at him. I am appalled at the lack of respect everywhere now. What gives people license to do this. I have a feeling, Chuck, that the Cyber Bullies (which I believe they are) are also bullies in their real lives. I would bet money, if I were a betting person. People’s characters are changing with changing times. Civility is becoming a dying virtue. Is it wasted on the young? I do not think… Read more »

Cooper
Cooper

Wow….sorry for you being attacked, Chuck. What is wrong with the world?
As a Canadian it has been my sad observation that America is becoming more and more negatively divided, especially on internet forums, twitterer etc. and face to face. Why so much hate?

That’s not to exclude us Canadians….we are not perfect.

I wonder at what age people learn to hate? And who are their teacher?

We can do better.

Cooper

tbrown
tbrown

I think if we spend a great deal more time ignoring the establishment media’s claims, which appear to be great catalysts when it comes to widening of the boundaries between groups, that would help – also, the hate doesn’t seem to be nearly so blatant the minute you leave the big city – small town and country folk don’t seem to have nearly the problem with facing opposing opinions/ideals.. is what I’ve noticed… actually very pleasant people…

Steve Winterowd
Steve Winterowd

The only people that can really hurt you are the ones you care about- the rest are like a yapping dog and deserve the same amount of attention. Most folks are good, but the ones hiding behind a screen name seem to feel that it’s okay to be spiteful and mean, just like this nasty little dog a relative had that was a vicious killer when it was safe behind a window or a car door. Once it lost that protection it would quite often wet itself. If you visualize trolls as that dog, it takes a lot of the… Read more »

Hosmer
Hosmer

Well all I can say is that there is a lot of hate out there, and it was further fueled by the most recent election of DT. It will get worse before it gets better I am sorry to say. None the less we don’t condone it, but just to answer to ?Why?

tbrown
tbrown

blaming a politician/our president for the current harvest of bad behavior is not the fix either… perhaps if the media spent less time hating, so would people, although in small town America I’m not seeing this hate fest…

Relaxing
Relaxing

Wow! That’s “all you can say”? Your answer is to join the media circus, spout some political nonsense and add another “blame Donald’ comment? Last I looked, both sides have massive guilt on this. That you single out just one person on one side says everything.
And we wonder why we have issues in America????? I know, I know, according to you, every single thing is DT’s fault, right? Amazing.
Here’s a very strong suggestion you might take to heart.
Anyone – ANYONE who wishes we had more civility in America should look straight into the mirror first.

Claud Addicott
Claud Addicott

tbrown & Relaxing,

I can understand how you interpreted Hosmer’s comment as blaming President Trump for current heightened incivility in this country. This might even have been Hosmer’s intention, but it’s not what was actually written.

Hosmer mentioned the ELECTION of President Trump as fueling the hate – not President Trump himself.

This could easily be interpreted as blaming the reactions of the opponents of President Trump for the increase in hate.

Only Hosmer can say which interpretation – or perhaps both – was intended.

Erinn
Erinn

Oh, puhleeze… is there really much difference in blaming something on the “ELECTION” of the man, rather than blaming something on the man himself?! NO, there isn’t & WHY DO SOME FOLKS HAVE TO BRING POLITICS into everything?! We’re talking about people replying in a rude and/or hurtful manner, nothing more!

michael hayes
michael hayes

Chuck you are doing it again! You are refusing to take responsibility for YOUR disingenuous remarks last week, which were bound to provoke some blunt comments. I will cop to being blunt. You insisted that you were taking neither a pro nor anti-gun position, but merely asked the innocent question whether GS should be “involved” in selling firearms. Total nonsense and an insult to your readership’s intelligence. You took a transparently anti-gun position. Then you refused to admit you had done so, and called us mean when we called you out. And this week you are back on your hobby… Read more »

tbrown
tbrown

Amen –

Sheridan J Ball
Sheridan J Ball

I think you need to follow your own advice, Michael Hayes. “Let it go, man!”

Erinn
Erinn

Amen to that!

Richard
Richard

Absolutely

Gene Bjerke
Gene Bjerke

It is so easy to hide behind a “handle.” Would the internet be more courteous if we all had to use our full, real names?

michael hayes
michael hayes

In todays fascist society where one can be fired, deplatformed, blacklisted, boycotted and in other countries-arrested- for expressing the “wrong” opinion one would be stupid NOT to “hide” behind a handle.

Relaxing
Relaxing

Watching Christianne Amanpour interview James Comey this past week on CNN was all one had to know about where America is headed if we do not stop this dangerous PC ugliness.
You want to knock my ciews and be crass about it – have at it. We should NEVER give in to those who wish to judge our speech. This is not France or the UK. Say what you want.
The most dangerous government is the one that is able to legally judge our FREE SPEECH.

Sink Jaxon
Sink Jaxon

Personally, I believe the answer to this is, there is a spiritual declination, or withdrawal going on in this world, becoming worse as the years go by. It’s very evident in the US as the Godless minority’s fight to remove all aspects of Christianity out of every aspect of society, replacing a lot of it with immoral behavior especially in our school systems and universities. The further we move away from God, the less self respect we have which is directly related to respect for others. I’m 60 y.o. and I notice it more and more, from civility to common… Read more »

Michael Dees
Michael Dees

Chuck, the issue was as pronounced as if you had suggested that freedom of speech or freedom of religion be questioned. The 2nd ammendment may not be that kind of issue to you and I respect that. But imagine the indignation if you had used the N-word for example. 2nd amendment supporting people heard that as if you had carelessly used it. I realize you do not understand that as reasonable or on the same level of offence but believe me people reacted with the same intensity. Not a liberal vs conservative thing necessarily. It is shame that not all… Read more »

Sheridan J Ball
Sheridan J Ball

Here, Here!

Pamela Hill
Pamela Hill

I agree with your assessment of angry rude comments. The same people would never say the same things in person. Online bullying is a real thing.

Carolyn M. Ausborn
Carolyn M. Ausborn

As a retired teacher, I have to concur that Online Bullying is a real thing, Pamela Hill. But, I believe that there are other forms of bullying that the inherent or conditioned bully uses. It is not just online. It is on the playground, in your face, many real-life situations the bully instigates, including online. They will do anything to get to someone they detest or want to hurt, for any number of reasons. Why? Because they can and THAT is the saddest part of all of this. Online bullying has been around for a long time. I trained teachers… Read more »

Mimi
Mimi

My mother always told me not to discuss religion, politics or sex with casual acquaintances and I lived by that mantra for my entire professional life. Now that I’m retired and traveling, I find it continues to serve me well in having pleasant encounters with new people in my everyday life.

jillie
jillie

Somehow in my foggy brain I missed something. Someone here attacked someone else verbally? Wow. How rude. So without trying to start something what did I miss? I am always the odd man out when it comes to missing all the fun. I think I know but if it was what it is? Man some people need to get a life. I saw someone here attack someone who is a non payer. I get it. Some of us can’t for one reason or another and I saw the attack and I say if you have the money? Maybe for someone… Read more »

Kathy Engell
Kathy Engell

Go back to last weeks issue and read it all.

Ortep
Ortep

Right on Chuck! Your words are true. When I run into those who start telling me how / what to believe I just explain to them that “I’m not arguing with them, I’m just telling them why I’m right”.
I too, look forward to your newsletters and tell all my friends about how good this weekly letter is.

Doug
Doug

The problem is, basically, conservatives live in non socialist states and pay less taxes and have more money to travel and are happier in general. When you at an rv camp and you have your flag out blazing in the sun next to your military flag, it’s awesome showing people that you actually served to protect there freedom of being stupid. Well in my experience, the only people I get stupid looks are usually the walking dead, you know who you are. I usually wave and smile because this is the greatest country in the world and if they don’t… Read more »

Jay
Jay

Why?

Sheridan
Sheridan

Let’s see. We’re stupid, walking dead, and should leave. Wow! Three insults in one brief paragraph. Perhaps you are part of the civil communication problem being discussed?

Tom
Tom

Chuck. You hit the nail on the head. With some people there is no middle ground. If you don’t agree with them your wrong and several other words I won’t mention here.

David Sisson
David Sisson

Chuck, I am not a paying member, but I have followed your web site for a long time and I am always telling other folks about your site. I do not make a comment on things, but I can not let this pass me bye. You are right on the money. I share your thoughts on how people can hide behind a keyboard and have so much anger. I guess we are a dying breed, sure we are all different , that is what makes the world go around. As some of the younger people say, It’s time to (… Read more »

Richard Snyder
Richard Snyder

David,
Since you have followed the newsletter for some time, isn’t it time to join those of us who support Chuck with our money as well as our words?

RV Staff

Thank you for the thought/suggestion, Richard. We appreciate your support and that of other member-readers. But we also appreciate our readers who are not contributors. Many would like to, but simply can’t afford to. But maybe they “support” us by shopping through our Amazon affiliate link. And David says he’s “always telling other folks about (our) site.” We appreciate that very much, also! So, thank you Richard and David, and the rest of you who read our newsletters, support us financially one way or another, and who “spread the word.” We very much appreciate all of you! 😀 —Diane at… Read more »

Scott Ellis
Scott Ellis

Amen, Chuck. I’m saddened–if, alas, not surprised–to see that a number of the responses to *this* column are in the same unpleasant vein. People don’t even hear themselves, I think.

Ken
Ken

I see nothing wrong with Camping World selling firearms. You made the statement “Again, your respectful, intelligent comments are invited.” and you received what you asked for due to your condescending guidelines. You are inferring that those of us who believe in the Second Amendment are disrespectful and not intelligent and require your Liberal coaching. We should have anticipated your views considering you live in a Sanctuary State and that Washington State was the first to implement the Red Flag Warning law. I hope you learned from your attempt to educate readers about shopping and how to behave and will… Read more »

Jay
Jay

“condescending guidelines”?

Sheridan
Sheridan

So let’s insult the entire state of Washington?
That’s helpful? Take a breath, Ken.

Michael Flank
Michael Flank

It is truly a shame that bitterness has evolved to the point that it has in the world. Out- spoken hatred is not new to the world but, the escalation is. Why can’t we all just get – along and respect each other’s rights to their opinions. We don’t have to agree!
Be thankful that we live in this great world!
Chuck, keep up the great work your writings are greatly appreciated !!!!!!!

Claud Addicott
Claud Addicott

“Out- spoken hatred is not new to the world but, the escalation is.”

Really? Ever hear of the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, the American Civil War and it’s aftermath… just to name a few?

Do you think these, and similar occurrences throughout history arose in climates of love and tolerance?

Indeed, escalation of out-spoken hatred has generally preceded these types of events throughout human history.

Bill
Bill

Chuck you asked a simple question last week and i gave my opinion as well as others. Yes there are rude people but don’t let it get to you, I for one enjoy your RV Travel Newsletter, Keep up the good work.

Sharon
Sharon

Part of the problem is the tendency to generalize. I remind myself to avoid the “everyone” and “always” kind of thinking regardless of how the idea is generated. Via social stratification through work, neighborhoods, and states, we are often surrounded by folks who think and believe just like we do. Social media and RVtravel type of communication requires us to interact with those of different beliefs/ideas – hence the conflict. As a moderator of an RV forum, I occasionally see inappropriate comments, but our rules strictly regulate discourse to “keep the peace”. That limits those who spew meaness and ridicule… Read more »

Stephen
Stephen

Chuck, just continue to love your readers as you have for so long and stay focused on that. A changing social media world has convinced people that by God, they now matter because they can “let er’ rip” online and it makes them feel important. They feel this way because the world at large continues to remind them in so many ways they are insignificant and just a cog in the gigantic wheel o life. Ignore them Chuck. Just minister. That’s all. Thank you for all of the hard work and time you put into your readers. P.S. Goodbye and… Read more »

Rory R
Rory R

I don’t think it is “hate” or “anger” so much, but the anonymity provided by one sitting in his/her own space on the “other” side of their PC gives a false sense of bravado to some and the vicious comments spew forth that would never happen in person. After spending 30 years of my life working with computers, I really don’t like placing the blame on them. But the fact is, they offer many the opportunity for their alter-ego to emerge. Just my opinion.

KellyR
KellyR

I came home from 2nd grade crying. My mother asked what was wrong. Someone had hurt my feelings. She said, “Well, don’t put your feelings out there where they can get stepped on.” When someone says something disparaging to me, I just look and walk away. I assume that leaves them dumbfounded as they did not prompt a response from me – which is what they were after. I just think, ‘that person must have a miserable life, I fee sorry for them’, or ‘I bet his mother would be sad’. Chuck, it amazes me how many people disagree with… Read more »

Michael Latham
Michael Latham

Our rights are under attack more than any time in history! We should be angry at the very least. Do you have to go to special course and obtain a license to write this news letter and share your right to freedom of speech? Of course not, but our right to protect ourselves is been eroded everyday. Maybe if you looked at freedom of speech and the right to bear arms in the same light you would not be calling you readers as angry and hateful. You have lost this reader for being so short sighted.

Sid
Sid

The difference is ….. Chuck’s freedom of speech doesn’t kill people …. your guns do.

Jeremy
Jeremy

Yes, and my fork makes me fat! I also hate it when my car decides to wreck itself…..People kill people, not guns!

Patricia Harvey
Patricia Harvey

Guns don’t kill people. people kill people

Ron
Ron

Everyone should take the time to see this brilliantly done utube video on the subject of internet interactions … Check it out …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IABRgZH12YA

You will laugh but the message is clear …

Andy
Andy

Superb! and most apropos. . . .

Sid
Sid

Thumbs up!

Katalin Heymann
Katalin Heymann

I honestly don’t remember the story that got so many haters out to criticize you. I have a landlord that has a tendency to be mean spirited but also a giving person. She also can’t grasp that not all people have the same reactions to drugs, chemicals and even mother nature. All I can do is evade her as much as possible and placate her when I can’t. Unfortunately, the internet has made you a victim of haters. Read a line and delete if they are spewing negativity and hatred.

Dale Regennitter
Dale Regennitter

Chuck, I so agree the disrespect people have today. I wrote a facebook general type to keep political views to themselves. No one will vote by what someone else puts on facebook. We all form our own opinions and vote as we see fit. I will use the military as a point to make. When you were standing among you military comrades, did you care about whether they were a republican or democrat, No. They would cover your back with there own life, because we were all Americans. Be friendly !

Joe Bulger
Joe Bulger

Mom always told me, if you can’t say something nice, don’t say it at all. Try to find a way to disagree in a polite way so you make friends.

Kenny Goss
Kenny Goss

Those folks who “attack” others via the internet are nothing more than Keyboard Warriors.

And, no Sir, they don’t attack people when they’re face-to-face.

It’s the anonymity and distance that makes them so dadgum “brave”.

I enjoy (and learn from) your column and website whether I agree with what you write or not.

Y’all keep up the great work.

Tony
Tony

Unfortunately, your column was a “hot button” issue that is guaranteed to bring out the internet trolls. Having said that, I enjoy your column regardless of whether I agree or not. Always a breath of fresh air to hear another point of view. Please don’t let the trolls win.

-brent
-brent

I’m a gun guy, and I also carry for a living– so perhaps last weeks column might have set me a bit sideways (I didn’t read it btw). Tony is spot on, you talk about a hot button issue and post it on the web, all kinds of folks come out. But over the years I have learned to give people the opportunity to vent their spleen so we can then have a conversation. And yes, we are a more angry nation no matter the politics. As my grandpa would say– we could use a bit more Jesus. I read… Read more »

KT
KT

I’m sad to say that even campfire chatter turned to heated name calling over political differences. The word “stupid” hurled back and forth across the flames (another word my parents forbade us to say). Lost opportunities to caravan with other folks this winter. I was heartbroken for all the things we had in common – our shared humanity is not the least- political differences, for many, outweighed all the goodness.

Jerry Reff
Jerry Reff

Very sad indeed. We have allowed the country and our friendships become VERY divided. As Jesus commanded us, “Love one another”

EmRoyG
EmRoyG

While I did not join the discussion last week concerning the Catalog from Camping World, I did note the comments from a segment of your subscriber community. Having watched the changes in our society over the past eight decades, I am amazed at the changes that have taken place, there is a group that are highly vocal and active in attacking our liberty’s and freedoms. I opine that a group has forsaken responsibility for their actions, lost respect for their fellow citizens, and don’t know shame

Dennis Watson
Dennis Watson

Unfortunately, from Washington on down we have become a very disrepectfull society. It’s sad, I don’t know what the solution is, but it must change.

Keep up the good work Chuck

Ron James
Ron James

I spent ’69-’70 in a military conflict in Southeast Asia and witnessed so much savagery and disrespect for human life that it changed me forever. It made me a gentler person. So I must say I’m aghast at what our society has become, esp. in the last 15 or 20 years. The level of hatred these days with regard to politics is just nuts. I remember back in the 70’s there was quite a bit of political comedy to be had (ie : SNL) and it was actually funny for both sides of the aisle. No more!

Booneyrat
Booneyrat

Welcome to the SE Asia war games club.Been there done that.

Edward Price
Edward Price

I remember a time when “Support our troops in Afghanistan” was an absurdly funny joke, because who in their right mind would ever think that the USA would have troops deployed to the far end of the Earth (Afghanistan). Today, there is no limit on absurdity, and nothing is funny anymore.

Shalon Parrott
Shalon Parrott

As a Mom of a US Marine (infantry, front lines) who served 2 tours in AF… it was and still is for some, all too real. I don’t get on social media much anymore. You are right, there is way too much hate, and the keyboard warrior syndrome bores me.

Captn John
Captn John

Welcome home. I also am a graduate of the University of South East Asia.

Nancy S Logan
Nancy S Logan

Unfortunately this is not a new phenomenon, but it has worsened drastically in the last few years. For me it started when disagreeing with the war in Iraq was equated with being against our military and unpatriotic. Now, with the anonymity afforded by the internet there sometimes seems to be no filter on haters. Recently I worked with a man in his 30’s. We mostly disagreed on today’s political agendas, but still became friends and found even in our disagreements we could find common ground.

MikeJ
MikeJ

Chuck, I never ever use the ‘H’ word. It is too powerful in my opinion. I may dislike someone or something, but never hate. I also admonished my children and now my grandchildren about using it. I do actually hate it when my blender erupts all over the counter, but that’s a different dictionary meaning.
I didn’t read any actual H filled diatribes, do you have any numbers of how many you had to delete? Just curious, as I know there are some very rude people incapable of normal discourse.

Rick Dowling
Rick Dowling

I hate it when my blender does that too!! I alao hate it when my beer gets cold! 😊 I’m just sad that folks can’t be as polite to each other as they were when I was growing up.

Edward Price
Edward Price

But think about it. When you talk about blender and beer inconveniences, and call them causes for hate, aren’t you degrading the definition of hate just to get a laugh? Degrade the definitions of language enough, and the meaning of a word changes. For example, “well regulated” doesn’t mean what it meant 200 years ago. Don’t you just hate it when that happens?

Pat
Pat

My mom always told me, “If you can’t say something nice about someone, don’t say anything at all.” I try to remember it, not always successfully, but more times than not.

Calvin Wing
Calvin Wing

Hatred is born from fear. Since hatred is on both sides of the isle it begs the question; where does their fear come from?
For the conservative it comes from seeing the constitution being derided and marginalized by those who don’t understand it’s necessity and value. For the liberal or progressive the hate comes from the leadership who tells the liberals that conservatives and the constitution stand in the way of America becoming Utopia.
? What allows Us to have differing opinions?

Dale Sain
Dale Sain

I agree there is an amount of fear involved. Possibly fear of things not going the way you want. To minimize angry responses, I would ask you to NOT put words in my (or others’) mouths. I am a proud retired LtCol and a constitution-loving liberal. Unless you state, “In my opinion, . . .” then I am living proof that every part of your statement is false. Ignoring the wackos on both sides, we liberals understand its value and are not shooting for Utopia. No easy answers, but intelligent solutions.

Rob Kidder
Rob Kidder

VERY WELL SAID! This should be posted as a headline on all newspaers and the internet news. Most of us retired “OLD” people are tired of the anger and disrespect in this world. As a Vietnam Veteran I have seen enough disrespect and anger.

Dpsdebi7
Dpsdebi7

Thank you for your service to this country.

Debbie Anderson
Debbie Anderson

Sorry that happened to you.

Debbie Jenson
Debbie Jenson

So agree~

Anthony Joel Vinson
Anthony Joel Vinson

In true communist fashion, Chuckie sensors/deletes all dissension.

RV Staff

Nope. I’ll leave your rude comment in here, at least temporarily, Anthony. I think some of our readers might have a difference of opinion. —Diane at RVtravel.com

MikeS
MikeS

Not only did Chuck not “sensor/delete” your comment, he didn’t even correct your spelling.

Anthony Joel Vinson
Anthony Joel Vinson

If my original comment on THIS thread wasn’t deleted, then why is it missing, Mickey? Diane, it seems you’ve had a “record amount” of difference of opinion….with Chuck.

RV Staff

It’s back from the Trash, Anthony, so that I could reply to it. Also, please note that more frequently than not, a comment ends up in the Trash due to Spam filters which are in place to protect our readers from lewd/crude/derogatory/etc. comments. Then I go back into the Trash to see if they actually belong there or not, and frequently publish them. Heck, even some of our own writers’ comments, and even Chuck’s, have ended up in the Trash because of the filters! We’re trying to fine-tune the parameters, but still feel it’s better to be safe (over-protective) than… Read more »

Edward Price
Edward Price

Diane: The man posted “In true communist fashion, Chuckie sensors/deletes all dissension.” Just what part of that was either “lewd, crude, derogatory or pornographic” and worthy of being filtered? Sure, it was not flattering, but Editors have had an expectation of being insulted by the lower classes since the days when Vikings were killing monastery scribes. It sounds to me that your “filters” are a long way from the “fine-tuning” stage.

RV Staff

Okay, fine, Edward. Now you’re picking on an old grandma with a brand-new broken leg (but feeling fortunate that it’s not any worse than it is), but I’ll do my best to explain. I can’t tell how comments get into the Trash — whether manually or by our filters (which watch for specific words, the number of “down” votes from other readers, too many links to “outside” sites, or whatever). I would consider Chuck being categorized as a communist or being called “Chuckie” as “derogatory.” I’m going to let it go at that. Thank you for your point of view.… Read more »

Kim Christiansen

Hi Anthony, you can blame me for the deletion of your comment. Because we get hundreds, sometimes thousands of comments in a single weekend, we rely on two technologies/processes to help us keep our comments civil, clean, respectful and most importantly, of use to the readers of this blog.
First we use a SPAM filter, and that looks for obvious SPAM and sticks in a holding cell until we can look at it…..

Kim Christiansen

Second, we have a list of words that if used in a comment move that comment to another holding cell. This is primarily known as the Google Bad Words list, but we had to tweak ours a bit because it blocked a lot of discussions about medication and casinos, actual things our readers have a good reason to discuss. Third, we have an up vote/down vote system. We added in a feature that if a comment get’s a certain number of down votes, it’s automatically put into another holding cell until staff or moderators can take a look. (Yes, we… Read more »

Kim Christiansen

So when I (that’s would be ME) set up that feature I set the down vote limit at about -15, at that point a comment would be automatically moved from the published comment section and plopped into a review area and the staff are notified. Your fellow readers are the ones doing the voting, not the staff. So when your original comment racked up a total vote tally of -26, it was censored. Maybe I’m a little nuts to think that if the total number of votes on a comment adds up to -15 or more that it should be… Read more »