A few weeks ago RVtravel.com reported on the upcoming ban on the sale of most RV generators in California. Simply put, in 2024, portable generators (including those installed in motorhomes) must produce significantly fewer emissions. By 2028, generators may not produce ANY emissions. The 2024 ruling may be moot. Cummins, the principal motorhome generator manufacturer, says it can’t meet those requirements and will stop producing gasoline- and propane-fired generators for California sale. We asked for reader comments about the situation. Were the comments shocking? Judge for yourself.
Some had questions
Andrew M. wrote, “I currently have a 2019 Class C with a frame-mounted generator. I have at least two more years before the effective date. What happens when that date comes for RVs that we’re purchased with generators? Will they be grandfathered in or will we be forced to not use them?”
A good question, and happily the answer should be reassuring. The ruling will make the sale of such generators illegal, not the use of existing equipment. So those of us with existing generators should be good to go. Provided, of course, we can afford the gas to run them!
But there still could be problems for existing owners
In our reader comments we found some pointing out a potential problem for those who already own generators. Dominik M. put it this way: “As the RV owner they’re just making it harder. We’re going to have to travel out of state in order to get our gas generators worked on. My generator is framed and wired directly to the RV, so I’m going to have to travel out of state in order to do it.”
Dominik may have a good point. Folks in California with gas-fueled lawn equipment are finding it harder to get their equipment serviced. Why is that? As that state’s mandate for selling only “Zero Emissions Equipment” goes into play, equipment retailers are stocking up the back room with batteries. Fewer and fewer gas equipment parts are being stocked, and in many cases, service departments are being shut down. The same may be foreseen for generator service facilities.
Mixed reactions to the ruling
The new generator ruling has lead to plenty of upset reader comments. Chris B. contributed two pennies in his thoughts. “I think CARB doesn’t want to hear it. But I would argue that generators in RVs should be exempt until such time that battery technology has the capacity to replace generators. The amount of time RV generators are used in the life of an RV seems to be of little impact to the environment in the long run. I had 100 hours on my generator on a 3-year-old RV. How bad did that hurt the environment? CARB should recommend an incentive for manufacturing solar generators instead of gas. That would move the right direction without totally upsetting the industry. My 2 cents….”
With what may be an effective ban on generator sales in California, sooner than later, we asked about RV purchases. Some California RV dealers swear that with the generator ban, many folks simply won’t buy a motorhome in the state, and will go elsewhere to purchase. We asked for reader comments on that. Typical of many, here’s Kyle S.’ thought: “A generator is necessary for my off-the-grid exploring of desert and mountains. I currently have an onboard generator in my trailer. I would definitely drive out of California to buy an RV with an onboard generator for my next purchase if they are unavailable here.”
Not everyone hates the law
The ban doesn’t appear to be distressing to all, at least from some readers’ comments. Michael M. says, “I hate generators. I’m happy to see this rule go into effect. Hopefully it will push the industry to create a zero emission generator. In the past they had no incentive. I live in California and would not drive elsewhere to purchase an RV with a generator. I have a class B. In six years I have used the generator once.”
Stephen H. chimed in a similar tune. “I have a small motorhome with an Onan 4000. Would LOVE to be able to operate 100% without it. I only use it for the microwave, and, very rarely, for the AC or for an emergency battery charge. I fully support California’s laws and hope they’re adopted nationwide. People should stop whining about it and get resourceful with practical non-generator alternatives. Then, soon we would have all the power we need, but WITHOUT the noise, smell and vibration the gennys bring.”
“Practical alternatives”?
But there’s the rub: Just what is a “practical non-generator alternative”? Some had suggestions. Gordon F. wrote of his experiences: “Just tried out our lithium/solar upgrade. I have 400 watts of solar and 200 Ah of lithium battery capacity. I spent five consecutive days dry camping. If I had twice the battery capacity I would have not have had to use my generator at all. As it was, we only ran the generator for less than an hour a day. I think with advancement in battery technology, RVing will be able to get by without generators. There are already Class B motorhomes without generators. The Winnebago Bolt is an example. The RV industry will adapt.”
Mike S. put it simply: “Get to work on your hydrogen generators!”
It’s a long way from gas and LP generators to hydrogen, at least from what we can see. Edward G. makes a suggestion that might “tide the industry and RVers over” until truly workable alternatives are developed. “Although it would take some effort to redesign into a new RV, a generator driven by the motorhome’s engine, with all the proper pollution controls in place it would not be in violation of the new law. For travel trailers, using a tow vehicle equipped with a generator driven by the engine could do the same. Ford’s F-150 Hybrid with 7.2kW generator is the best example of what is available today. Not perfect, but a start.”
A start. Ready or not, California’s new rulings are going to have an effect on industry and users. And as the saying goes, “Where California goes, other states follow.” It would seem the RV industry, if it wants to stay in business, will need to put more emphasis into helping develop solutions.
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If you want a generator for the rv, just buy it outside of California and then don’t travel to California. There are a lot of nice places to see in that state but I have the other states to see. I have been to California and love the places there but not the politics.
Perfect and that is my plan for sure.
Again, I sure wish more people felt this way, we don’t need more people here
I had always heard CA was a great place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there. That was reaffirmed 58 years ago when I spent 6 months there while in training in the Marines, and that was before it went to hell in a hand basket. I wouldn’t even visit there now.
I moved out of ca 20 years ago, haven’t set foot in the place since. There are 47 other states I can easily take my RV to and see things I haven’t seen before. I don’t need CA and it’s ludicrous politics or regulations.
I can’t help myself, so I have to reply on California generator ban. A couple of things. First, California would be the absolute last place on earth I would even want to go to with my RV, with the exception of North Korea.
Secondly, I use medical appliances that require electricity at night. Is there a clause in their for CPap and Oxygen machines?
I sure wish more people felt this way – I would love less people in California.
You could move that would be one less.
Actually, you are getting your wish! Now, if you can just get your leaders to seal the Border, you would get it even more!
I’m with you.
Does it matter!
You can edit a post.
It seems to me that there should be an exemption for necessity to run electrical powered medical devices. People who use CPAPs and nebulizers use RVs and need their medical devices. I have heat induced asthma and NEED a/c -especially in humid environments where swamp coolers do not function to cool air sufficiently- in fact, swamp coolers in those circumstances can worsen asthma symptoms. I had a niece die in status asthmaticus. Not an easy way to die.
Well according to the President you just need to convert to electric because we all know electricity comes out of the wall. Lol hey staff I’m just quoting him.
And as the saying goes, “Where California goes, other states follow.”
Not sure where you got that saying from but I would do just the opposite of “anything” that California does! The government of Ca. has gone off the deep edge! That is why so many people are leaving the State! Can you blame them?
In the last 10 years CA has added 2 million people.
In the past year the saw their first net- negative population growth.
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-reports-population-loss-for-second-straight-year/
That is absolutely not true John.
The State of Ca. has lost population over the last Two years John.
Except most of them don’t pay taxes.
If you don’t count the illegals pouring across our border Calif lost so many people that we lost a Representative in Congress. The number of Representatives are based on population.
most all are illegals
In the past 2 years California has lost millions of people to other States.
It would cost a ton, but there are large generators that can be added to ANY vehicle and will power the entire RV with power up to 4500 watts. Just check any emergency vehicle, there will be one under the hood.
https://www.fabcopower.com/generat/bgen.htmhttps://www.fabcopower.com/generat/bgen.htm
There are many others besides this also.
I see multiple arguments for a wrongful death suit against California because medical equipment could not be used without a generator.
that may be the only way to get around this.
We have been watching a system develop from Holcomb Energy Systems that would solve this and many other energy problems. Hoping that it is available on the market soon.
Having supported emergency communications for 15 major hurricanes (since Katrina) and deployed into communities without viable power solutions, you can bet we deployed with gas generators.
No rational sized battery pack would do the job.
How about those California wild fires? Plenty of gas gensets there.
All those fire fighting base camps are run off of gensets.
Generators are NOT required to power up our RV batteries any longer. I use a REDARC 50 amp DC/DC charger. Check it out, it uses your vehicle alternator to charge your RV batteries. Your vehicle creates much less pollution than a generator, so it is much better for the environment. Stop whining everyone, just adapt.
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I forgot to mention that it is 1/2 the size of a shoebox, and also acts as a solar charge controller. AND 1/2 the cost of a Honda generator.
Why ? It’s a free country. I’m tired of hearing about the environment.
Yeah, screw the environment. Who needs to breathe or have clean water?
I agree, people here need to embrace technology improvements. It sounds like some of the commenters here would rather have carbs then efi.
you would be correct
Solar is pretty amazing.
Not at idle. The cat converters will not come up to temperature to be effective.
Whoa, are you actually trying to tell me the big 5.9 liter diesel engine in my 1 ton dually produces less polution than the little 3.5 KW clean running predator genset??? I most certainly don’t think so friend.
Yes it does. Do some research “my friend”.
Have you ever wondered how much has been spent total by companies having to put all those stupid stickers on everything it seems saying the product meets some standard for use in CA. I am sure it’s saved countless lives. 🧐 Saw where they are going to raise their gas tax even higher. Say by an EV and no worries on cost of gas. Just wait until you start paying a mileage tax, which is fair
Alabama charges an additional $400 + regular fees when you register an EV. Hybrids are an additional $100. Someone must pay for their roads.
No doubt about it, the sun has set on the golden west. It was the mid-twentieth century dream. It has changed itself into the 21st century regulatory nightmare.
It’s going to be a water nightmare pretty soon.
In this, I agree with you wholeheartedly Chris. I’m fearful for my MANY friends in CA with the water situation.
We just need to rescind the law that allows CA to make up these BS rules just like Disney did to Florida. Problem solved.
A very simplistic view of life you have there…
I agree.. California is off the rails with stupidity
Hmm.. I thought it was what FL did to Disney.
Chris, you are correct. People evidently read what they want to without looking at the words or context.
What did FL do to Disney other than tell them the free ride is over, time to start paying taxes like everyone else.
It’s punishment for not liking the Gov’s politics. Their agreement has been in place for years.
Lol.
5 years into RV camping & I never heard a generator running. I brought 2 portables with me the first year & never needed to use them , they sit in my garage now.
What happens when you decide to sell your RV with an older installed genny in 2025? Are you going to have to cross the state line to sell it? Get an emissions test before you can sell it in state?
Just one more reason on a very long list of reasons not to visit California and to leave the state if you live there. We are watching the hallowing out of California.
At some point, all these little inconveniences might save the planet for future generations. And that is all they are inconveniences. Adapt,
Not in my life time. I will not conform to bunny loving tree huggers who want to change the world.
I will just stay out of the blue states and spend my money elsewhere. God bless America..
Please don’t associate “bunny loving” people with tree huggers.
Banned lawn mowers, generators, gas powered cars, etc, all little inconveniences. Death by a thousand little cuts will eventually kill you.
Not me, I’ll be long gone before this happens. You need to do some REAL research, may I suggest: realclimatescience.com Tony Heller will give you the real facts on Carbon Dioxide warming and it’s effects using NASA’s own data. Not the fake data that NASA/NOAA put’s out today.
In this chaotic day and age we all choose our truth. Looks like you’ve chosen yours.
There is no “our truth”. There is only the truth. Instead of impugning people that you don’t even know and have no clue about, try sticking to science and truth. Science is a LONG way from the absolutist big government nonsense put in place by socialist politicians.
One truth? Is that a joke? Explain the difference between truth and what people believe and you’ll win post of the day.
Chris, you’ve been replying with your ‘truths’ to posts all day…
Hope you don’t have a earthquake. Cuz you won’t have electricity for a long time. And wishing you HAD a generator then. We just won’t be visiting CA. All I see is government over reach!!!!
Have you Ever looked into the amount of pollution created in the manufacture new, and disposal of solar products that are worn out?
One of the ways we use our RV is when we go to dig spring events. We can stay on-site, but in the summer months it is too hot in the RV to be safe for the dogs it comfortable for them it is. We only run the generator for a few hours, when we are actually in it & needing to cool it down. AC & heat are the only things we NEED to power with the generator. Microwave is nice, but very optional.
Just one more reason to avoid the state. Note that if the law actually says no emissions what so ever, then a hydrogen fuel cell would be out of the question as it emits clean water. For a state that can, at any moment, face a cataclysmic event that will surely disrupt their power grid, eliminating alternative sources of power seems a foolish move.
You haven’t been keeping up. Utilities in CA and the state have been working with vulnerable communities to promote alternatives to generators, We have a friend in Angle’s Camp that just got whole house batteries installed at no or little cost, solar is VERY incentivized in CA.
All these RVers here who seemingly have no concept of solar panels.
Solar panels. Good idea EXCEPT that a day or three with full cloud cover and your batteries are dead. Fire up the tow vehicle’s big diesel engine for a few KW of juice … Sure ….. LOTS of polution compared to a 3.5 KW predator genset. … NOT a good idea.
And the rest of the country most certainly DOESN’T follow CA’s lead in a great many things. Indeed many folks I know wonder if CA is really a U.S. State anymore or their own little country.
I prefer to focus on the fact that 99% of the time I do get enough sunshine to keep my batteries charged. But yes, if the majority of your camping is in cloudy rainy areas, or lots of big tall trees, then maybe solar isn’t for you.
I am a retired electrical engineer with extensive knowledge of the US power grid and power production. Solar and wind will never replace the traditional large rotating mass power plants. Just today Governor Newsom has announced his support of keeping Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant open past it’s expected closing date of 2025. Of course that depends on federal subsidies that in the long run will be paid for by all Americans to bail out California’s failing electrical infrastructure. As we sit here today California is a negative power state, in other words they import more power than what they produce to run the state. The Green New Deal supporters recognize nuclear power as “green energy” I can tell you that it’s very far from that!
When Lake Mead gets too low to allow Hoover Dam power generation, that massive solar farm south of Boulder City may come in very handy.
And just who pays for your whole house batteries? And where does the materials and manufacturing come from for those batteries. And lets not forget how to recycle when they end their useful life cycle (if they are recycleable). Are you trading one vice for another with someone else’s money.
It may have cost no or little to the homeowner, but the taxpayers picked the bill. No such thing as a free lunch or free solar. Somebody pays.
I was caught in the great Texas Freeze last year. I ran my generator for 58 hours straight. As a full timer I had no alternative. Many of my neighbors in high end 5th wheels with no generators, sat in their trucks all night.
The ban will only help push the RV industry to improve the quality control.
Chassis/engine manufacturers are moving towards hybrid power plants and they won’t/shouldn’t allow RV manufactures to tie into the PCM for controlling electrical output without drastically increasing the QC and electrical system design.
TBH, it’s stupid to lug around an additional generator when the main engine could also be used to produce sufficient electricity.
I lug around solar panels and batteries. Amazingly, that works.
I’m finding all of these negative comments a bit hilarious and sad at the same time. Sorry if people recognizing the need to reduce our emissions trumps your selfish need to power your home on wheels. As someone who’s designed and installed solar and battery systems for RV, I know your being [bleeped].
If you don’t like it, its a big beautiful country. Go visit somewhere where you two-stroke generator is welcome. Or maybe learn to live without your microwave and hair dryer. California is under no obligation to write their laws to meet your specific needs.
I’m willing to bet most of you complaining here have never served your country. I’d recommend it because then you’ll truly know how little you need to genuinely enjoy life.
Suck it up, the world us changing around you.
I doubt that going to Arizona or Oregon to buy an rv would work. You have to license it in the state you reside in.
Repair a gas engine? Repair men should be busier than ever. If you can’t buy new you can repair. Least that’s what I would do.
Exactly my question. If I move to the state and have an existing RV with a generator will I be able to register it? Same for buying a new RV out of state and then registering it. It will only be a matter of time until they figure it out.
Waiting for the Mrs. to make up her mind and we are out of California. California is dieing a slow death due to all the useless regulations and taxes.
Due to drought and “Robinhood” politicians California will lose all it’s power in the future.
This oppressive law is just another extreme action taken by California to control every aspect of our lives in this state. It has become intolerable. Not only are gas generators banned but also any small gas-powered engine, such as leaf blowers, edgers, lawn mowers, virtually killing the small gardener’s business.
Pat is correct. Inch by inch we suffer with government control getting worse. They are also going after BBQs….think about THAT one for a minute.
Don’t forget, they also want to eliminate natural gas stoves in homes. If they succeed, what is next gas furnaces?
Furnaces and cloth dryers are already in the crosshairs.
If you don’t like California’s generator law, than vote your politicians out of office. Let technology take it’s process and as time goes on we may reach 0 emission technology. My F150 hybrid is not getting 24 mpg as marketed. F150 generator seems to work ok, but Fords instructions on operating is terrible.
“A generator is necessary for my off-the-grid exploring of desert and mountains.” A ridiculous statement. I’ve been doing just that for decades and solar has been more than enough for me to spend weeks in the backcountry. Ditch the AC, and big screen TV’s and you wont need a generator.
All these supposed RVers here and they seem to be totally ignorant of solar. My 800w does just fine except for A/C.
Not all RVers have the extra money to put into a solar package.
I don’t expect all of them to. If more were aware, took a modicum of time to understand it, they wouldn’t have to be so reliant on a generator. I’ve run into more than one camper who runs a generator to watch TV. That’s like swatting flies with a bazooka.
Also disingenuous. Solar prices have come down significantly. If you can afford an RV and the gas to run it, you can afford solar.
I don’t live in Cali full time but I’m grateful one state is taking climate change seriously.
Someone has to take CC seriously, since the SW is in a 1000 year drought and running out of water. I just hope it’s not too late.
I run the ac in my Peterbilt 24-7 above 62 degrees.
Anything over 73 degrees and I’m sweating and using my ac. Your comfort level may not be the same as others.
Just another reason to avoid California. Thank you, CARB, for making it extremely clear that I and my kind are unwelcome. Hate dealing with uncertainty. 🙂
I can’t blame the California legislators for this, I blame the people that voted them in. Just because You don’t like generators doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have one. While You drive campground to campground and plug into a power outlet some may elect not to and may need to run a heater during a snowstorm . Just stay in California and enjoy your beautiful state in your campground with barking dogs and I’ll stay in mine and run my generator.
Many think that just because something runs off of Lithium Ion batteries, that they are saving the planet. But like so many subjective myths, the facts may be more harmful then beneficial.
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/
https://waareeess.com/lithium-ion-battery-recycling/
👍👍👍👍 Usually we just trade one pollutant for another. However many people don’t care about it because it’s not in their back yard!
Don’t confuse leftist loonies with the REAL facts. They’re too busy petting their unicorns.
I’m saving my ears from having to listen to a generator. Apparently many of you insist on staying dependent on gasoline while at the same time complaining about how much it costs.
Well, I don’t “insist” on anything. I am, however, a realist, and I have researched the background of many of the proposed alternative energy sources. There are flaws and shortcomings with all of them, just as there are with petroleum-based energy. Until there is a VIABLE alternative, I don’t care how much people want to be rid of oil and gas, we will have to use them to power the near-term future.
You say we “insist on staying dependent on gasoline while at the same time complaining about how much it costs”, yet you seem to be ignoring the reason for the current high cost, while at the same time ignoring the environmental cost for “green energy”. Keep your head in the sand, but we will continue to be open to, but examine, alternative energy sources.
Since this is an RV forum, I don’t know why we’re going off on tangents and rants about “green energy.” Just get some solar panels and use that generator a whole lot less.
You apparently spend most of your ‘quiet, non-generator’ time replying to individual’s points of views that do not align with yours…
I’m certain there are many many wonderful people in California. My wife and I have always wanted to drive up the west coast in our RV from South to North. That wish moved on from us 4 years ago and that’s so sad. I’m with MevetS – how is Lithium saving the planet or any other ‘green’ initiative? Where is California going to dump all of the waste from the used-up Lithium Ion batteries? Talk about toxic!!! And by the way, fossil fuels will be used to generate materials to manufacture the Lithium power sources…hmmm.
Lead is neurotoxic to humans in the parts per billion range, yet we’ve survived lead battery usage for over a century. Lithium isn’t especially toxic, and certainly nothing compared to lead. Unlike lead, which is the majority of a lead acid battery, there is actually little lithium involved. A dead lithium battery isn’t even considered to be hazmat.
Thank you for sharing those links.
Unfortunately, those articles are not scientifically vetted, as they are from a Koch Industries funded ‘front group’. You should do some research on WHERE you get your ‘information’ in the future. In this case, it wasn’t research, but very overt marketing.
Seems to me they should just sell an RV pre-wired for a genny. Then for your first trip you go to a neighboring state and have your genny installed. Plug and play.
I’ll be installing another complete solar power system this week, 870 watts of solar panels, 600ah of lithium batteries, and a SoftStartRV on the AC. This 5er will never have to run the Onan generator and will cost less than $6k for the complete setup, including labor. The owner estimates a 2 year payoff based on all the fuel savings to run the Onan. If you think the technology isn’t here yet, you’re sadly mistaken. I’m not the only guy doing these installs.
Excellent.
Until you run your AC for a few hours then hello generator.
What a bunch of hooha. Why don’t you just purchase a pup tent. Than you could save the 6000.00 you were going to spend on your precious, unaffordable lithium batteries. Us regular people will not put the money into them until they come down in price. As far as California goes, I am glad I don’t live there and will gladly stay away.
Do you often make such nasty, disparaging comments about things you can’t afford?
Personally, we like to park in the shade!
In Blythe CA it’s 115 degrees in the shade and 130+ in the sun.
2 year payback- $3000 / year in savings – I want some of what he is smoking! That would be 3-4 hours of running EVERYDAY! (7 days a week!) Come on Man!!
And every RV’er has an extra $6K just waiting to be spent and let the geni that they have sit! I am pro-renewable, but lets be realistic!
boycott california for a year or so, until lawmakers pull their heads out of their *****, the state needs to quit worshipping enviro-terrorists……….
Cannot wrap my brain around the numbers involved. It seems odd to banish generators which emit humble volumes of greenhouse gasses, relative to the behemoth vehicles that transport them hundreds and thousands of miles. Has to be pounds of CO2 compared to tons. Any thermodynamic subject matter experts out there who can quantify that? Uh oh, maybe not a good idea … CA legislators may get the idea to banish ICE RVs too.
A bigger question from my perspective is this:
What about all the repair services, promotional events, civic events, service calls, communications services, Hospitals, Police, Fire Department, catastrophic event mediation and so many other aspects of modern life where a GENERATOR is used everyday in the function, completion and severe weather back up of these activities?
Are these functions a part of this BAN?
What the Hell you going to do for all these business’s and public services that depend upon GENERATORS to make their job, event and repair possible?
For most Americans whether a RV has a generator or not is just pimple on their Butt in importance as far their life is concerned.
This new California laws “appears” very short sighted given the fact that the currently available replacement options are nowhere near capable of replacing the modern GENERATOR!
Not that I disagree with you or agree with Kalifornistan. But the mandate as written states small gas engines under 25hp. These events and services you mention all use generators far above the cutoff.
No matter how you look at it, these types of ideology-driven government over regulations take away options for consumers. Consumer choice is dying in California.
The much bigger problem is banning hospital generators and other life safety applications. Right now, air pollution control districts are banning the use of generators without emissions filters on the exhaust pipe. This is absolutely dangerous. The filters are not tested and certified as a package so it is possible there will be loss of life and lawsuits.
California Building Code requires compliance to NEC whose article 700 is for emergency generators in life safety applications. Those generators only run 50 hours per year maximum. Tier 4 emissions requirements are now required, but not possible without using filters. No filters have been tested and certified on any emergency generators.
California is ridiculous.
This is one of many reasons I left CA a year ago. I’m a third generation Californian, but CA left me, not the other way around. I’m now in the mid-west and happy. The idea that somehow banning generators will magically solve whatever the loons think, is ridiculous. I suspect cars and trucks idling in bumper to bumper traffic, along with sitting for minutes every day at a red light with no cross-traffic in sight, may contribute a bit more than generators. But the very government who ignores what they are responsible for, forces demands on its citizens.
Electric cars don’t emit anything while sitting at stop lights. You’re providing an excellent argument to apply the same regulations to all gasoline engines.
Not everyone can afford or wants an EV, nor do they want the government to force their ideology on others. If your fear is climate change, then why not support reducing pollution by correcting outdated traffic infrastructure that would take much less time than going all EV? The EV is using power, sitting or moving and it shortens the distance they can travel. I’m old enough to remember how we had to switch from paper to plastic to save the environment. How did that work out? What is the life span of a EV battery, where do inop batteries go when replaced, what to they cost, how much fossil fuel is spent generating electricity for recharging or manufacturing EV batteries? Do you know what EV owners did in TX when the grid went down? They used gasoline generators to recharge. Do you have an affordable and realistic solution for diesel trucks, trains, ships, hundreds of millions of old gasoline vehicles in the world and your RV? The market will dictate demand. Give it time and let’s see where the market takes it.
The citizens of California deserve what they get. Run by a group of bureaucrats who don’t have any dealings with the common folk and could care less how laws effects them.
Don’t worry…. There will be no one to “Police this”! Just drive 4hrs to Nevada or Arizona to purchase one. Heck, In California you can steal one. Just make sure it’s under $1,000 and you only get a misdemeanor….
Good comment John, now thats the sad truth. This state is a disaster.
The Govt/DOE/Calif. are bulldozing ahead with blinders on. They’re so focused on trying to make everything electric that they aren’t looking at any other alternatives. Solar/wind aren’t efficient enough to supply our electricity. And I hate to break it to them, but aside from batteries not being even close to replacing generators, they aren’t nearly as “green” as they’d like to believe, but they’ve got their heads in the sand.
If we’re talking about RVs, my batteries/solar save me about 90% of generator time. I’d much rather listen to nothing than a generator.
But what happens to the environment at the end of your battery life when it has to be disposed of?
They are recycled
Cry me a river- easier to dispose of old batteries than replace a gaping hole in the ozone. But yeah, battery disposal is a good reason always called out by people too selfish to make minor changes that may inconvenience them- no noisy, dirty generators; the horror! Future generations will despise our intellectual laziness and unwillingness to do something when we still could.
What happens to generators, and even RVs at the end of their lives? Lead acid batteries are the most recycled items in the US, at over 97%. On what do you base the assumption that other batteries could not be recycled?
I think many of these arguments were made by the people who ran horse stables for transportation when the “horseless carriage” was introduced a 100 plus years ago.
Dinosaurs became extinct because they couldn’t adapt to a changing environment. The human race has the ability to change, however judging by most comments on this thread there are many here who do not have the ability or desire to change for future generations. Sad and selfish.
Nope, but they sure are good at calling people names! In addition to trigger words like “Trump” alerting the forum moderators to approve the post, I suggest adding “bunny loving tree huggers”, “elitist left nut jobs”, “greenies”,“liberal greenies”, “idiot socialists”, “lefties” and “stupid people”.
Exactly what I was going to comment on. People who resort to name calling should also be banned!!!
Leonard, we do not object to change, but we do see what the shortcomings of the proposals are. I see some who support this still use their generator, but not as much as if they had less solar, for instance. Bottom line is, they still use a generator, as their solar does not ALWAYS satisfy their electric needs.
I am not selfish, as I want my progeny to have at least as good of life as I have had. But, we don’t have viable solutions right now that will allow us to ban generators in all situations. You brought up horse stables: I think you have blinders on with regard to the viability of current alternative energy. Alternative energy will change in the future, but it may not be anything we are currently using.
Wish I could up-vote you. So very true.
Lets straighten out some things. First you cannot run your RV engine while parked in many states including Ca. to run your ac or charge your batteries for more than 5 minutes, they have an idle law so that is out of the question. Second, there will always be generator service at all Onan dealers as they will still be servicing all the diesel powered generators. Third, only gasoline and LP fueled generators will be affected by this not diesel so I’m sure that rv builders will be installing a separate diesel tank on gasoline powered class c’s and b’s and a diesel powered generator. A lot of panic over no big deal, I live in UT. but was born and raised in Ca. Left there 30 years ago when it started going sideways.
There is no such 5 minute rule imposed by the state. Some local jurisdictions may have such rules but it is not state law (yet).
Then why does CARB & CHP patrol truck stops looking for Idleing vehicles including RVs.
Just for clarification, the ban on the SALES of NEW generators applies only to “Spark ignited” engine under 25 hp. Diesel powered generators can still be purchased, even if mounted in an RV chassis. The sales ban only applies to gasoline and propane generators. Sales of USED generators of all types and the repair/service of all typed are not covered under the sales ban.
I recently asked for clarification from the Governor’s office regarding both home generators and chainsaw sales. The office stated that the new generator sales ban has been delayed until 2028. The ban on the sales of other new gasoline powered equipment such as chainsaws remains at 2024.
We who live in the mountains rely on backup generators power and gasoline chain saws. Both the Forestry Department and OES recommends the use of such equipment in order to protect our property from fire dangers and to deal with the frequent storm related power outages. These agencies seem to be at odds with the ARB.
Marijuana is fine in California but a generator for your family to take a vacation in your tv is forbidden.
Rich progressives get government subsidies to buy their $80,000 EV’s but working class gardeners are forced to purchase new equipment on their own just to stay in business
This is progressive California. A state where only the rich and homeless are welcome.
Have you heard of a little problem called climate change? Because there’s that little issue
Yes. We haven’t caused it, and we can’t stop it.
Wrong. And wrong. We could, but likely will not.
You will need to plug all the volcanoes as a start. Smh.
and yet another reason to never set foot in CA again.
I totally agree!
Californians smile every time someone like you decides not to grace us with your presence
Smile what do you have to smile about you should be disgusted with the homeless situation in every city and town, but do nothing except ban generators.
Born in Roseville, grade schools in Oceanside/San Clemente, high school in Susanville, college at Chico State and after 28 years as a LEO, most of those years as a gang officer, i and 26 of my 28 LEO friends who retired 2 years ago around the same time fled CA. Keep on smiling…
Good.
CARB has little or no on site enforcement ability. I will defy the law every step of the way. Where I live we need generators due to the fact the utilities during different times of the year are unreliable. Most private camp grounds in California we use shore power so the only times we use our Honda generator is in the woods far from any liberal greenies.
When recycling of wind turbines, batteries, and hell freezes over, I’ll agree to the dream of green America. Oh, and China agrees as well. RC.
Good
If you drive a Rv you don’t care about burning lots of fuel, so why worry about the tiny amount a generator uses. Rv’s in California should only be powered by feet to be zero emissions. Look at all the poop the people of California produce and nobody worries about that.
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They poop on their streets lol
Thank you, California, for once again leading the way. Global warming is clearly happening; how much longer can you pretend it won’t be devastating for the children of today? If you think illegal immigration is bad now, wait till the water dries up in other countries- forget your oil pipelines and start building water lines. We have to start reducing carbon emissions. California is clearly one of the few ‘adults in the room’ when it comes to trying to ensure future generations have some chance of enjoying what we have enjoyed. If you don’t like California laws, there are 49 other states you can visit.
Thank you for sensible, reasoned comments. The water situation is getting pretty scary, and when Mead and Powell get so low the dams can’t make power, we’re in it deep. We have pretty good evidence climate change is exacerbating if not a direct cause of this drought.
Global warming has nothing to do with Lake Mead and Powell being low. 2018 to 2020 California received above average rainfall. The reason the lakes are low is increasing population, yes that includes illegal immigrants, that is draining those reservoirs faster than they can refill even with above average rainfall. You can’t build major metropolises in a desert and expect not to have water supply problems.
I see. And these facts you’re stating here are being suppressed by the media, I suppose.
it’s a liberal conspiracy.
Oaf, check facts instead of assumptions ignorant assumptions. Global warming has everything to do with declining water sources. Lakes Powell and Mead are formed by dams across the Colorado River. Except for the time they were built, the water level behind both dams is the lowest it has ever been because of lack of precipitation due to global warming.
The majority of the Colorado River water comes from Rocky Mountain snow melt in Colorado. Other contributors, listed in sequence of importance, are the Green River from Utah, Gunnison River from Colorado, San Juan River from Utah, Dolorous River from Utah, Gila River from Arizona, and Virgin River from Nevada. Notice that virtually no Colorado river water comes from California, nor could it. The California water shed supplies other rivers.
Your opinion is counter to the evidence of less rainfall and reduced snow pack in the Colorado river basin.
And a nice touch to also try to blame illegal immigrants!
That’s so true.
If they insist on being part of the problem, they should at least stay away and not befoul California.
Bad
Water will and is drying up faster than South America lol. Welcome to a state that wanted to build a billion dollar train but hasn’t added a single new reservoir as the others empty. Having lived next to Lake Oroville for many years, you should visit it to see how depressing it’s going to get in CA for water…
I have precluded any trips to Cali. There isn’t any thing I want to see, buy, except to see a barrier put up to encompass the entire state, I mostly disperse camp and frankly care about the liberals there, thay can have their blackouts, crime, drugs,taxes and no water to drink, thank you
I’m with you there, seen it, it’s brown never green to much traffic and expensive.
Good.
Yes, our next wall will be to keep your kind of people out of California. It’s no accident that California has the highest GDP per capita of any state & has the fourth largest economy in the world.
Craig, you snipe every viewpoint not yours with snide quips. You must have a 2nd home in Portland?
It’s not the fourth largest economy it’s 11th! Curb your enthusiasm!
Have you seen the exodius from Cali on large business? The only people moving there are illegal aliens!
If RV manufacturers had fully installed lithium batteries with rooftop solar, I wouldn’t be here trying to figure out how to retrofit mine so I can get rid of my gas generator.
It’s not hard. RV mfrs won’t do that because it raises the price. About all they do is run a small wire from the roof to the basement.
California is making the same mistake the Federal government is making regarding getting off of oil. They say you must change, but don’t yet have a solution to change to. Typical…..
My taco trucks and contractors use portable generators. So does this mean they will have to go out of business?
Depending on the power requirements of a taco truck, it’s possible batteries and an inverter may handle it Perhaps solar too. Or, you’ll simply have to move to a location that provides power. . Contractors may be able to use a Jackery. Granted, this will not be an easy change.
My guess is someone who operates a taco truck probably doesn’t have the 2-3 thousand dollars laying around and/or the experience necessary to build out a lithium battery array with inverter that could power an electric griddle all day long. It wouldn’t be California if they weren’t curb stomping the little guy.
Good question, and what about those light trees used overnight at construction sites, or engine powered portable air compressors and welders?
“Zero emissions” given current technology is a pipe dream. That’s like China’s goal of zero covid-19. Sure, you might have a generator that produces zero emissions while operating (which is nothing more than a battery that requires charging), but the overall emissions in the production and charging of such a generator far exceed the carbon footprint of a petroleum powered generator. Others make the valid point that…OK, get rid of gas-powered gens, but what is the alternative? We rarely use our portable generator, but it’s nice to have it as a backup. Perhaps in time we’ll have hydrogen-powered technology, but by 2024? Nope…ain’t gonna happen.
Nice Russian propaganda, sorry bud, but your beliefs aren’t based on facts or science
Craig Allen is a bully and should be shut down. EV car batteries and small tool batteries cause water, air, and soil pollution as a result of the lithium mining process. Look it up! These batteries will leave about 12m tons of electronic wast by 2030. Millions of $ is being spent on startup’s to figure out what to do with these batteries at the end of their lives because we DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO YET! As of now we place these batteries (i.e. toxic waste) in special landfills. Also, electric vehicles are only saving the plant if the electricity produced to power them is clean as well…it doesn’t help if they burn coal to generate electricity to power an EV, now does it! Look up environmental and human rights concerns associated with materials used to make batteries such as cobalt, lithium, and rare earth elements. Just because it make you feel all fuzzy inside doesn’t mean it works best!
I just sold my Salton Sea property due to the Lithium mining that will soon take place nearby turning the area into a toxic wasteland.
It’s easy there’s plenty of other states don’t go to California, I’m a truck driver and my company we don’t go there it’s just not worth the hassle anymore
Sounds like a good plan. Don’t like the rules, don’t go there.
Good.
California world…Many rules and searching for answers…pipedream.
This must be why we have the highest standard of living in the USA & our tax dollars go as welfare to Red states.
Again BS
It’s amazing that they pick and choose what to eliminate. E-bikes have taken the US by storm, yet petroleum is used to produce electricity to charge the batteries. Our younger generation that is so afraid of climate change may clamor for electric cars, yet they insist on building high ceiling McMansions that require more than solar energy to heat and air condition. Emissions could be cut overnight by lowering the speed limit (data from the 70s energy crisis attests to increased mpg with lower speeds), but our government will not implement it. Until we have a comprehensive plan to reduce consumption across the board, we are teasing ourselves. Jet skis???
Depends on where you live. California has no coal-fired plants and only uses natural gas for peaker plants. Most of our electricity comes from Hydro, wind, solar & nuclear. Even ******* Texas gets 20+% of it’s energy from wind. Times are a changing 🙂
Does Long Beach still hold the US record for most cars per capita?
That’s not correct. Approximately 3% of electricity in California is generated from coal. It’s not zero. Yet.
A big percentage of that hydro power comes from Hoover & Glen Canyon dams both of which are in danger of going off line due to low water level. Once that happens you are going to be hot or cold, in the dark, and walking more often than not.
9% comes from nuclear, which currently is scheduled to go offline in 2024/25. Of course Newsome is now changing his mind on shutting down Diablo Canyon…
Ihave avoided camping in CA for the last 5 years because of their high fuel prices, ban on all MO firewood, and radical anti-gun policies. I steer clear of IL for the mostly the same reasons. I try to avoid going through those States or spending any of my money in them.
Good.
Thank you 🙂
How the devil do they know if your firewood came from Missouri.
🤣 😅 😆 😄 😆
Don’t you just love those “so called RVers” that post “I have a generator built into my RV and in 2,3,4 years used it once.” NEWS FLASH – There is no RECREATIONAL VEHICLE USE when you park at a Deluxe Motorhome Resort. GEEEEZZZ.
Take some time and educate yourselves on what it actually takes to produce one lithium battery. I’m not talking about what the media wants us to believe. That’s all I’ll say, go beyond the headlines.
Nice Russian propaganda. LifePo4 batteries use far less lithium, are fireproof, use mostly nontoxic chemicals & are cheaper than pure lithium batteries
Craig it is not Russian propaganda. Just like a lot of the “green” facts and figures, it all really depends on where products, in this case lithium batteries are manufactured and by what company. Going “Green” would not bring as much anger as it does if all countries and products were compared equally. and expected to contribute equally. For a lot of people wanting equality, they sure don’t want it across all aspects of our lives all over the World.
Craig, did you know the ground beneath the Salton Sea holds a huge lithium deposit? Just think…let’s just trade one environmental disaster for another! Wow! How long do you think it’ll take for them to start mining that deposit if the Ukrainian war continues for any length of time? SMH – 🙁
Keep voting California lol
We just returned from Yosemite, where our neighboring RV’er ran his generator the maximum allowable time, every time, three times a day (6 hours out of 24). The exhaust was aimed directly at our camp’s table and fire pit, and it forced us to either retreat into our trailer, or leave the campsite for the next two hours. We are set up for camping without hook-ups, and didn’t need to run our generator even once.
So we will not be sorry to see the internal-combustion generator largely fade away, replaced by solar panels and battery packs.
I agree that most people do not go camping to hear their neighbors generator. However, not everyone “camps” in a crowded campground. Many boondock or use their RV in secluded areas, and these people need a reliable source of power. Some even use their RVs as an alternative emergency shelter.
The problem is that this ban affects all small gas engines – including those on tools that are necessary to live in mountain or rural areas. Chain saws, riding mowers, weedwackers, and portable generators are staples for these residents to reduce fuel and prevent wildfires and even for general property maintenance. Just because you don’t need them doesn’t mean others can live without them.
Well said, Diane!
Craig Allen is a bully and should be shut down. EV car batteries and small tool batteries cause water, air, and soil pollution as a result of the lithium mining process. Look it up! These batteries will leave about 12m tons of electronic wast by 2030. Millions of $ is being spent on startup’s to figure out what to do with these batteries at the end of their lives because we DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO YET! As of now we place these batteries (i.e. toxic waste) in special landfills. Also, electric vehicles are only saving the plant if the electricity produced to power them is clean as well…it doesn’t help if they burn coal to generate electricity to power an EV, now does it! Look up environmental and human rights concerns associated with materials used to make batteries such as cobalt, lithium, and rare earth elements. Just because it make you feel all fuzzy inside doesn’t mean it works best!
He sure has extremist views, there’s no doubt about that. The problem is that the current administration holds close to the same views as he does.
Also, the idea that they’re going to control the climate is a juvenile fantasy much like the concept of “gender fluidity”. If Craig Allen was made emperor of the planet tomorrow and demanded that all internal combustion engines come to an immediate grinding halt, besides all the worldwide death and destruction that it would cause, the climate would still continue to warm and cool as it has on its own for 4.5bn years.
Eggzactly.
I am loving the ban, I am taking full advantage of this, I buy used and new, then resell on Craigslist. Two weeks ago I bought 6 generators on clearance at tractor supply for $565.00 each . Already sold 4 for $750.00 each. What’s crazy is CA waives state tax because I claim agriculture.
I’m a geek….I have a solar house, 420w on my travel trailer, 120w on my trucks Roof Top Tent and even a solar panel on my motorcycle to charge my laptop! But the whole “Green” solar thing is nonsense…..before you comment on anything “Green”…You MUST watch this Michael Moore documentary…..and this from an avowed liberal!… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE
There’s 48 other states, Canada and Mexico to travel too, You can keep Calif, it’s a liberal ****bucket these days.
Well said and being canadian a can tell you that justin fidel is following xiden
We use our generator when the electricity goes out, which seems to happen a lot where we live. How can I use an electric generator for my refrigerator if there is no electricity.
We bought a brand New generator a yr.ago Still in the box hasn’t been used once got it for the house when the power will go out it hasn’t yet🤷♀️ Now this New law I don’t know what to do!💁♀️
I’ve lived in California for 12 years. We have a large fifth wheel. Last year I spent $12k adding 6 battle born lithium batteries and 1200 watts of solar on the roof. I also added two 3,000 watt victron inverter chargers. With our new setup, we RARELY need our generator anymore. The exception is when it’s very hot and we need both the a/c’s running for an extended period. All this said, not everyone can afford to invest in this equipment. So at a minimum there needs to be some kind of subsidy to make fully solar RV’ing a reality. Even if it’s a sales tax exemption. I bought all my equipment in Arizona because they have no sales taxes on any green energy solutions. If CA wants this to happen something similar is needed.
Very nice. My measly 835w of solar and single 3.4kw inverter do me just fine. One 48v 100ah Li battery pack. Not having to listen to a generator at any time is priceless.
You’re looking at this incorrectly with a very narrow focus. Many people go to places that have hookups and such. I go to the desert where can get very hot at times and very cold at times. On top of that I live in the woods where I was without power for 14 days. My generator made it so that I could stay there, but that will be gone soon. Limiting your discussion to RVs is very narrow for focus. There is no acceptable appropriate way to back up a home in the middle of nowhere. I understand many people don’t need generators for their RVs too, but many of them are in campgrounds and the camping under ideal conditions. I have a 17-ft trailer and I’m often camping in 100 degree weather. Solar won’t do it. California is a big brother state and they think they know everything when in fact it’s political and not technical solutions. California does not care about the people who live in their rural communities. That’s why they’re flooding to other states
Totally agree. 😠
Bull. Ca is worried about environmental issues ? Look at the putrid state of CA now. It’s all kickbacks in cash and typical ca corruption. Tons of garbage everywhere! It’s a toilet. I will run any equipment I see fit.
It seems that CA politicians and CARB have it in for RVers and rural homeowners as well. Luckily we have installed solar on the RV. However, as property owners in the San Bernardino Mountains, we have to do annual lot cleanup, as well as deal with frequent power disruptions due to high winds and snow. We need to clear our lots to aid in fuel reduction to prevent wildfires. It is not even remotely possible to clean up fallen trees, brush, and debris on larger properties without chainsaws and weed wackers. We personally lost three big cedars and a ponderosa pine with a girth exceeding 4’. It left a huge pile of enormous branches and foliage. Batteries do not last long cutting through timber debris. Are we supposed to run an extension cord? Where do we plug in? What happens when we get an ice storm or deep snow? Many on our mountain were without power for over a week already this season. Are we supposed to lose all our refrigerated and frozen food every time Edison cuts power?
Yes, the Cali liberals do not care about people like you.
the only time I’ve needed 120VAC hookup in my RV is when I’m somewhere really hot and muggy, like a week I spent in Chico last summer, it was 105+ in he shade, and the A/C was running from dawn til midnight, but we had hookups…. otherwise my 5000 watt*hours of lithium can run basic DC electrics, including a compressor fridge for a week, and thats not counting the 360W solar panel, with that, I’m good indefinitely (or a week of camping in deep shade)… my limitation is water and holding/black tanks, I need to dump/fill about once a week.. I haven’t used my portable inverter generator in some years.
I know some professional tree surgeons, they are highly dependent on light powerful Stihl chainsaws, and electrics just don’t cut it when you’re hanging on a rope 80 feet up in the air limbing and trunking an overgrown acacia.
The Green New Deal is really going to mess things up for everybody. It will cost a lot of money to go totally Green in just a few years, not to mention it will be almost impossible because we will never get to zero carbon emissions. Besides, don’t we need carbon dioxide for plant life?
Gas engines do not emit carbon dioxide. People do. Gas engines produce carbon monoxide.
When the world turned, all the nuts rolled to California…
The truth is, I spent $6,000 trying to go solar on my RV, with 7000 watt inverter, 400Ah of lithium and 800 watts of panels, and it still will not run my Air Conditioner any longer than 2 hours without needing a complete recharge, which by that time of day, is too late. I know our environment is about to collapse, but shouldn’t we turn off all the cars on the freeway first? This is not a practical solution to emissions, it is political. Don’t want to give up that gasoline tax! It practically runs the State of California! Aha! Motive!
Maybe turn off the a/c. Might not believe this but many people went camping before a/c was common.
California’s antipollution laws are utterly topsy-turvy. They should be encouraging the reduction of carbon emissions by promoting mass transit to reduce the number of commuter vehicles on the highways. Instead, they choose to force the comparatively insignificant number of RV owners to stop using 200cc generators and recharge their battery banks by firing up their 3,500-6,000cc vehicle engines and using the alternators. Virtue signalling for political posturing has turned the state into an Alice in Wonderland nuthouse.
Totally agree. This is political theater, not actual environmental improvement.
Sounds good to me, can’t stand the sound of a generator clanging away while I am trying to enjoy nature while camping. I can go indefinitely on solar. You just learn to use a little less to make it work. Which is really remembering to turn lights off, a little less lighting at night, cook without a microwave, and of course more propane used to run the fridge. It’s not hard people. I also camp near the beach in warmer months if not hooked up, staying inside and running an AC all day defeats the purpose.
As more regulations on vehicles of all kinds come into effect, the people of CA will find we don’t have either enough power plants or a grid capable of delivering the power if we did produce it. Simply put, the wires that deliver the power wont be large enough to handle the additional demand….. period
In the early days of the Horseless Carriage the same kind of arguments were used against it. It was hard to find gas to even buy, they were noisy, dirty, scared the horses. And so many people said why would I want one of those things, I got a perfectly good horse
I remember all the complaining about seat belts. Smoking in public places. Greenpeace. The list is long. People hate change, even if it’s good for them.
Not all change is good.
Can’t wait till they come out with a hydrogen fuel cell generator. Won’t miss the stinky poisonous gasses and noise of gas generators.
I don’t miss them right now with solar.
One guy wrote that he had 100 hours on a 3 year old rv generator and claimed that wasn’t much? I would say that is way above average. Most “glampers” myself sometimes included, are at sites that have electrical plug in. It’s all just BS! As soon as the politicians and Hollywood elites stop flying their jets all over the world and China does something about their pollution problem, my generator isn’t going to kill the planet!
I stand with your comments 100%.
California wants to go to all electric and that may look good on paper but what about rolling blackouts if your cars not charged you don’t go to work? And how do we dispose of all the lithium batteries?
So, because I live in an area that experiences 5 to 10 days a year with no power because of public safety power outages…
I need a generator to keep my freezers frozen….
No wonder the people are moving out of this state…
It would be impossible to run an air conditioner without a generator. This could easily be a dangerous situation for some people. If all campgrounds were required to supply electric hookups that would reduce the need for using a generator. Like that’s going to happen.
Why not ban refrigerator trucks that run motors for cooling.
Generators to provide backup power in an emergency should be banned. Like that makes any sense.
At what point has legislated bans become more a political issue than a real solution?
Going after low use RV genny’s doesn’t strike me as a hot priority, except for political capital.
Folks like every thing we do someone wants to put there two cents. Because someone has to collect from their new innovation,and we have to pay. Think we’re getting thrown solar power in our face we’re not ready. I don’t have 40 grand. It took us a little over 200 years to ruin this beautiful world. Now you want to renew it. Guess what it’s going to take a little bit. You have to the rest of the world. Because California in not paying for the clean up.
To bad California didn’t sink into the ocean like the prediction in the 1970’s
Lol, this recent storm highlighted the need for gas generators. A mobile home park as well as regular residents and nursing home were out of power for two weeks in Pollock pines California area. Good times. There is no battery that will last that long or power 45 mobile homes. Not to mention the limitations on voltage of those mobile homes.
These California legislators aren’t living in rural or country. They make city laws for country living folks. Doesn’t work like that. Never will. Not to mention the costs of such systems. Prohibitive to say the least. You would need a semi trailer electric battery truck to run a small mobile home park for two weeks. Anyone got that kinda money?
An exception is if it is permanently mounted, on the ground, it is to be allowed.
Buy your generators in Arizona. And, your lawn 2 and 4 cycle machines.
Of all the things Cali could be concerned about….
RV generators ?
Is that ur solution to get the eyesore RV’s off the curbs..
I Do Not see this as an environmental.concern…
It smells like somethin else the state has drummed up..
A little rv smoke n mirrors
How many times have you been in a Forest service campground where generators are allowed 9-9 ? Solar allows me to never need to use my generator again. Just as we saw during Covid-19 mask mandates, enforcement of the ban will not work. My pet peeves,
Nonstop barking when owners leave dogs while going to town for supplies.
Generator noise so they can watch videos.
Running a generator to watch TV is like swatting flies with a bazooka. And I’ve seen this a lot. Drives me nuts.
Just ignore it. It’s a free country.
Across the spectrum of energy generation & storage, the current technology model transfers toxic lithium & other metallic waste created by California’s rushed virtue signaling to the 3rd world. Internal combustion generators fueled by LNG (propane) is a much cleaner, more efficient & available solution. LNG engines produce primarily water vapor. They are quieter than liquid fueled engines and the technology is easily available for conversions of existing equipment…Plus engine life is extended by many thousands of hours. Win/win for everyone.
The next thing they’ll do is raise the electrical rates first thing Outlaw generators raise the price of solar panels text you every which way you can think people are just leaving California the only thing people that’ll be left are the ones on welfare
Tax you every which way you can think
We have had a 28 foot class C for 10 years, which I set up with 600 watts solar and 4 extra batteries added where the generator would have been, plus a 2000 watt inverter. Just went 4 nights in very rainy weather using the propane furnace with electric fan, and the microwave as needed, lights etc. I would not want a generator anymore.
I doubt very much if you’ll be able to register a RV with a generator sold in another state in California.