RV sales have slowed and fewer people are buying RVs than has been the recent trend. Has that changed campground crowding? Is it easier to find a campsite now, particularly in state and national parks? Campgrounds are changing and evolving, some for the better and some for the worse. RV Travel readers discuss their experiences and offer a few tips to help other campers find that perfect spot.
Here are a few observations from our readers.
Need a backup plan—Camping in National Forests is virtually impossible
Peni H’s. plans have gone astray. She’s finding that first-come, first-served state parks, and boondocking in parking lots are just not working out. Peni writes, “I’m currently on a trip in Angels Camp area in California. I’ve tried to do the National Forest campsites. Go online and all it says is first-come, first-served, and by the time I get to the campsite, usually by 1:00 or 2:00, all the campsites have ‘Reserved’ signs on them.
“I go to another campground and the same thing happens. Right now I’m up in the big trees area and discovered that the National Forest has closed some of the campgrounds early for the season. These campsites were first-come, first-served, but the campsite is closed even though on the website it does not show that. Trying to stay in National Parks versus a campsite on this particular trip has been virtually impossible.
“California state parks are not an option because as of now they do not allow dogs. The new no-dog policy went into effect throughout all of California state parks. California lands are not BLM lands, so staying on them and trying to dry camp is not an option up here. Therefore, I’ve been stuck with trying to find at least a campsite because in this section of California, you cannot go to a parking lot and park overnight.
“The stark reality is if you don’t have a backup plan from boondocking in a parking lot or staying in a National Park, you have to stay at an RV park, and that is if you can get in. I paid $75 for one night at a rundown RV park because we had been driving for two hours to find a place to park. We travel in a Winnebago Travato, so it’s not like we have to have a lot of space.”
Plans ahead and still spends hours on the phone
L B. struggles with getting sites, particularly on the weekend. “We’re full-timers. On average we reserve our spots as soon as we have a travel plan. There are two things we struggle with, one is finding parking on a weekend night, and the second is finding a park that has no cancellation fees. This leads to hours on the phone to find a park outside our route that belongs to a nice mom-and-pop. The rising costs are ridiculous and cramping our lifestyle, but we added solar a couple of years ago so if needed we can boondock. We still work full time so it helps to have 50 amps, but we’ll be okay with just solar.”
The most RV-UNfriendly state
Debbie L. has been traveling a lot and says Nebraska is the most unfriendly state for RVers. She wrote, “We are almost home after leaving on May 15 and driving to Alaska with our travel trailer. I only made one reservation for the entire trip and that was for Denali Park. The most we paid for any site anywhere was $75, in downtown Anchorage over the 4th of July weekend. We boondock when we can but are limited by the size of our fresh water tank. In our opinion, the most RV-UNfriendly state is Nebraska. No boondocking allowed and payment required just to enter their wildlife preserve areas/parks/etc.”
Quit camping after 20 years
Kathi W. just camped for a month but is now calling it quits. She says, “We just returned from a month-long trip to the UP. We had reservations almost a year in advance. We stayed at state parks, county parks, city parks, mom-and-pop places on this trip. There were issues on the road and missed one night at a county park. We called to let them know we would be a day late getting there. When we pulled in there was a couple discussing moving to our site because they thought it would be a better site. If we had been any later getting there we would have found someone on our site. At a mom-and-pop campground, a family was camped a few spaces up from us and the dad and young son would go to the bathroom behind the RV. With the type of ‘campers’ out there we decided to quit camping after 20 years. Too much entitlement and ‘rules-don’t-apply-to-me’ attitudes.”
Forced to leave
Carl B’s. rig is over 10 years old and he may have to leave his site because of it. He shares, “Here at Horn Rapids RV Resort in Richland, WA, rates are also going up from $510 a month to $625 a month. All RVs that are 10 years old are being asked to leave. We have a new owner. I would guess rates will be going higher than $625 in the next few years.”
Quit staying at Sun Outdoors
Michael R. wrote about overcrowding and overcharging. “We are finding campgrounds are overcharging and overcrowded. On the East Coast, a lot of campgrounds are being taken over by Sun Outdoors, and their prices are ridiculous and the grounds are a mess. Our site two years ago had 12″ of grass and large holes in the roads and campsites. We had made reservations for the same time the following year and canceled. They asked why we canceled. We told them the price was too high and the grounds are a mess. So we have eliminated staying at any Sun Outdoor parks.”
Covid campers thought RVing is cheap… NOT!
Stephen M. says that it is the cost slowing them down, not crowding. “It’s not so much the overcrowding that slows my wife and me down, it’s the price of gas! Couple that with increasing campground fees and you could be looking at a daily increase of nearly $50 for your budget. Just as no one really wants to pay $5 for a Big Mac when it used to cost less than a dollar, no one wants to pay for increased camping fees. Owner/operators have no choice either. It’s pay up or shut down! Rising energy costs and other increased fees are passed on to the consumer. Everyone has their hand out and it’s up to us as consumers to fill those hands, like it or not! Covid campers looked at camping as a ‘cheap’ way to live. I don’t think they really sat down and thought it through very carefully.”
Now, some questions for you:
- Are you finding campgrounds booked up? Or is finding a place to stay not a problem?
- Are campgrounds changing for the better or for the worse?
- Are you seeing more permanent and seasonal RV parks?
- Are rising costs affecting your camping style?
- If campgrounds continue to be crowded and RVing continues to become more popular, will it affect how or when you RV?
- Do you have any tips or secrets you’d like to share about finding campgrounds that aren’t as crowded?
Please use the form below to answer one or more of these questions, or tell us what you’ve experienced with campground crowding in general.
Read last week’s Crowded Campgrounds column: RVer warns: Just because you have a reservation doesn’t mean a park can’t change the price last-minute!
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It does not sound good, the comments in the article. I haven’t seen that many problems, but I’m learning to plan ahead better. I go to more out of the way places, usually, and don’t need hookups. It would be more of a problem on longer trips. BLM trying to stop dispersed camping won’t help, yet with the way people treat the forests, I can see why they want change. The worst things I see are motorcycles and quadrunners tearing up everything, and now, off-roading has become more popular. Many offroaders do clean up after the others at least. People are becoming so entitled and crude. As with everything, those kinds of people ruin it for everyone.
People who can buy a piece of property somewhere else are lucky, and I’d do that if I could. One thing about staying small, I can get into places some cannot, and if it gets really bad, I can pull my trailer down to the creek in summer at home and pretend to be Tom Sawyer or something. I’ve noticed that many homeless don’t have a rig that runs, so don’t move around much plus they need to be closer to a grocery store. Bringing half the world population into the United States can’t be helping anything. Before I’d sell my trailer, I’d give it time for the covid campers to decide it’s not what they want.
Half the world population?
Give them time. It’s starting to seem that way. They sure aren’t slowing down.
You fail to see hyperbole or satire when it’s right in front of you?
Exactly. Thank you. I also consider there are many people who don’t think the homeless should be in campgrounds or forests full time, yet the homeless keep coming. And some folks are very concerned that people, including homeless, are crowding out the wildlife and diminishing forests, yet they keep coming. I’ve even heard people agree the wildlife should not be shoved out, and at the same time think it’s ok for people to keep moving in regardless of laws–it’s hard to figure that thinking.
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Have you or anyone you’ve known had any altercations with those homeless? Are they more immigrants/illegals you’ve seen? Still adjusting to see about full time RV lifestyle living. Currently doing hotel living until Summer. Any suggestions on cheap reliable trailer that could be towed by minivan? Which wildlife is better to support? Two legged or four?
Check out molded fiberglass. Lightweight, not as much of a drain on the wallet buying gas. “Stick builts” are I hear only measured for the living space. Molded fiberglass trailers are measured tip of tongue to rear bumper. They hold their value much better than stick built rvs also.
I’m thinking these issues are another reflection of how our culture and society are changing. And I don’t like what I am seeing. Used to be that a bad experience was the exception. Now it’s the norm and the good experience is the exception.
Yes sir. 100 percent correct.
Or is it the perception that has changed?? Is it that past societies were willing to pull up there bootstraps whereas today, everyone expects something to be handed to them?? Are the experiences really any worse than they were in the past, or are we less able to deal and cope with them??
Think you’re right about people not being able to cope without some artificial boost. Have met more alcoholic and stoners living in hotels past decades. Being a crucified caregiver had people coming out of the woodwork thinking I should do for them what I did for my family. Even had disease of blood family that expected me to pay their debts while taking care of 5 disabled elderly family members. Was working overnight to gain some pittance of money for my needs since I was never able to get paid for crucified caregiving. Now that the ones I’d called family are gone, have been looking into RV lifestyle as cost effective way to travel and work again.
Diesel fuel is costing me about the same as it did 15 years ago, most things are higher, including wages and social security payments.
Yes it’s crowded in many places, how people in the world now compared to when you were born?
Dogs in CA parks, not an issue:
Are dogs allowed on trails or beaches?
In general, dogs are not allowed on trails or beaches with a few exceptions. Dogs must always be on a maximum 6-foot leash. For more information by district and park, check the “Visiting State Parks with Your Dog” webpage.
So much complaining and anger.
Agree, we’re at Silver Strand State Beach right now and dogs Are allowed, as well as San Clemente State Beach and Pismo State Beach, all in California. What specific State Park are being referred to? Re: Peni H’s comment.
Maybe she’s got dogs that are restricted because the breed is known to be vicious.
Even if so, not a statewide mandate.
You mean little ankle biters? 😉
“Breeds” aren’t vicious, but people make individual dogs vicious.
Agreed
I know more vicious people than I do dogs!
Most of vicious people I’ve dealt with in my decades in hotel living worked there. I travel with my deceased mother’s service dog, always get harassed and questioned. Was actually told when asking a front desk jerk if they spoke english that was a racist comment. Looking into RV lifestyle but always wondered about working on road and internet connectivity.
Where do you travel? We’ve been going to Florida from California for 19 yrs. We have the same 2002 Newmar Dutchstar diesel. I track all our costs on spreadsheets. In 2008 low $3, 2009 hi $1 (yes $1) to low $2, 2010 Mid $2, 2011 mid $3, 2012, 2013, 2014 hi $3, 2017 mid $2 (down, not up!) 2020 low $2, 2021 low $2 to mid $3, 2022 mid to hi $4 with a couple of $5, 2023 hi $3 to mid $4. The last 2 years have been the worst as a percentage of our total trip cost. Will see what our 2024 trip brings in a few months. 🤞
I am mostly in agreement John. Too much whining, and about the same things over and over. I do disagree that SS payments and wages are up in any significant fashion tho. Life Costs are up 19% in 3 years but SS and wages are only up 8% so it is definitely hurting a lot of folks. I say this as someone fairly insulated from inflation and as someone not having to make those tough choices, but I do feel bad for young struggling families and retired RVers forced to relocate or adjust due too excessive increases.
Wait, California parks don’t allow dogs? Since when? I was at Asilomar over the weekend, very dog friendly, even the beach! Just not in the historic buildings. Here’s a list of state parks that allow dogs. https://www.parks.ca.gov/dogs
I love RVTravel, but I wish it would fact check occasionally outrageous claims and call out some folks lack of perspective. As an example, this article claims California state campgrounds do not allow dogs. That is ridiculous misinformation. California state campgrounds allow dogs. And as far as the one person quitting camping because of two minor incidents: take it from a person whose parents owned a trailer park in a resort town 40-60 years ago: there have always been a few losers in these places. As with most things in life, you just have to take the occasional bad with the overwhelming amount of good.
Yep…some restrictions but allowed in campgrounds. From the Cali state park website:
“Dogs are welcome in the designated campgrounds, on designated roads where vehicles are allowed, and on the trail from the Visitor Center to the Campground. For the protection of wildlife and your dog, they are not allowed in the backcountry, on trails, or in the wildflower fields. Please keep your dog calm and quiet.”
Thanks for checking on that. It seemed hard to believe.
So far this has been almost the exact statement I’ve read from other states/ national parks. I don’t feel that’s a big deal nor a deal breaker. I travel with 2 littles n have enjoyed many parks.
That’s what the comment section is for…
If Carl B thinks WA rates are high he better not got FL and I’d like to know where Stephen M ever bought a Big Mac for less than a dollar, they were over $3 when they were introduced.
Wrong
Big Mac debuted in 1967 for $.45 cents
True! I WORKED in one of the first McDonald’s in 1967 that was “honored”, (meaning ordered), to debut the Big Mac in Chicago.
In 1960 it was $0.45 for a “three course meal” – hamburger, fries, and a milk shake!
Carl B is looking at it wrong
$625 a month is a lot of money, $7500 a year. But look at it another way. $20 a day. That figue is an impossible dream. That number is the minimum an overnight site ha s gone UP.
Another thing, just because an rv is 10 years old does not mean you can’t be at a particular campgrounds. My 1985 class c is now38 years old and only once have I been asked “how old is it”? I really think they couldn’t believe me that it’s still running. I have a friend that has to send photos of his Newmar to get into a “resort” in Florida. He does and no problem. His is around 14yo.
It depends on the campground. Some strictly to the 10-yr rule. Others are more realistic, and look at it before saying it can, or cannot, stay. No rule is universal, nor universally enforced.
I suggest renaming this column “Delusional Campground Whining.”
– Nebraska is unfriendly to RVers because they charge admission to State Parks. (There are a lot of states that are apparently “unfriendly” to RVers)
– Big Macs used to cost less than a dollar (yeah, 40 years ago).
– California State Parks don’t allow dogs (You must use a leash and just can’t take them on trails/beaches)
– Complaining that RV parks charge cancellation fees (at least that’s a new one for this column)
BTW, don’t take this as a dig at you Nanci. I think you do great work and know I’m in for a well-written, well-researched, and balanced story when I see your byline.
We love RVing in Nebraska…and no, I’m not a resident defending my state.
In early summer this year we spent nearly a month in Nebraska. Campground rates were very reasonable ($25 FHU 50 amp at one huge city park and $35 at a private park with exceptional WIFI!) I think $40 a night was the most we paid at Sioux City, NE’s exceptional city park and our sites (stayed there twice) were huge! Not only that, but this state is still full of friendly down-to-earth residents, young and old, that make us feel at home. I’d take Nebraska any day over many other places we’ve been.
Agree! Nebraska has two COE lakes with inexpensive campgrounds, NE Natl. Forest has a cg. with electric hookups (rare for USFS cgs.!), and there are many city and county parks with campsites. The state also has recreation area campgrounds as well as state park cgs. In fact, the nicest county park cg. we have ever stayed in is the Hall County cg., just off I-80 in Grand Island.
Try getting into a Colorado State Park without paying! Chatfield SP and Cherry Creek SP near Denver charge $10 for a day pass just to enter the parks. And that applies to residents, as well as non-residents.
It isn’t true that California State Parks don’t allow dogs! We take our two with us all the time. They aren’t allowed on many of the trails, but that’s to protect the wildlife. This would have been easy to fact check.
Agree! Native Californian and dog owner here.
More moaning and groaning statements, and with the standard diverse comments today…Thanks again, Nanci, for this weeks column.
Carl is correct about Horn Rapids. The new owner is getting rid of all older than 10 year rigs – makes one feel like trailer trash! Yes they have raised the rents and I hear their goal is to eventually get to $800 a month once they get rid of older and bring in newer.
I am out of there heading to AZ. I am amazed at the number of RV parks here in Pahrump that now have the 10 year rule including casinos, just for a 1 night stay. Been looking at parks in Quartzsite and many of them also have it. That leaves boondocking for us.
Thank you, Nanci! These always are interesting. However, I think they could be much more valuable if the “form” included the area(s) in which the commenter tried to make reservations. Alternately, perhaps just ask the commenter to include that information when they correspond.
I’ll never quit RVing. You’ll have to pry my RV keys from my cold dead hands. LOL. I get that changes can be tough sometimes but I’ll never put that much energy into the whining when I could put that energy into the driving.
I will continue to adjust my plans and planning around our continually evolving lifestyle choice. “Who Moved My Cheese?”
I haven’t heard “Who moved my cheese?” in over a decade! Love it! And “pry my keys…” good one! I agree with you. We love RVing and don’t do the daily mocha chatta latte so that we can afford to go camping.
California State parks do let dogs in,there are some rules,like they have to be on a leash. Go ahead and google the rules. As for the behavior of guests at RV parks,there is a breakdown of our society and it’s spilled over to horrid behaviors at campgrounds. It’s uncivilized and shocking.
Have experienced everything that I’ve read here, and then some, after 3 1/2 yr.s of r/v lifestyle. Some people weren’t raised right and are incapable of being decent citizens.
What an irresponsible piece of reporting. The quote that California State Parks do not allow dogs is completely wrong. Dogs are allowed if on a leash. That is reasonable, considering that some owners allow their pets to run free and do not pick up after them. There are plenty of problems with campgrounds, not the least of which involve higher costs. But I’ve seen too many boondocking sites that have been ruined by people who burn pallets, leave trash and broken glass, stay too long, cut their own trails, and generally think they should be able to live anywhere they want in their blue tarp-covered leaky trailer with their six dogs.
Why even share the ridiculous Nebraska story?? There are hundreds of millions of acres of BLM land in Nebraska. There’s even a national forest, the only national forest in the US that’s completely man made. So the idea that you can’t boondock there is ridiculous. I’ve done it myself. And most states charge a fee to use state parks/rec areas. I would have assumed they all do so how is this woman so clueless??
I pretty much avoid California, but if they enforce the leash rule, good for them. I’m really tired of dogs trying to get to mine; it’s really rude to turn dogs loose. I continue to carry a big stick to back them off us.
What I am seeing now is COE Campgrounds are not allowing booking because they do not have Camp Hosts to run the place.
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The first paragraphs in this article almost sent me into a panic! I have a reservation at a California State Park next week and I am bringing my dog! I am from out of State. I searched the California State Park website and dogs are absolutely allowed! Here is a quote from their RULES, “ANIMALS, including cats, can not be turned loose in park units. All animals, other than grazing animals, must be under immediate physical control. Dogs must be on a tended leash no more than 6 feet or confined in an enclosed vehicle, tent or pen. Unless posted to the contrary, dogs, other than those that assist the permanently disabled, are prohibited on trails, beaches, and wherever posted.”
One of the financial drains on campground owners, according to conversations with a couple of them, is repeatedly digging and unblocking the septic tanks because people keep flushing their supposedly flushable tush wipes. Waste water engineers aren’t real happy about them either. I don’t flush any products heavier than toilet paper.
I also disagree on the Nebraska RV unfriendliness. Recently traveled thru the state, mostly along I-80. We easily found two city related RV parks. $20/30 with elec and/or water hookup and at least one with a dumpstation (asking only a donation fee). Sure state parks probably require a pass, but many states do. I will say that trailer parking at many rest areas leaves something to be desired.
My only question on an earlier comment is where are the millions of acres of BLM lands? Searching BLM site for a map and Nebraska is not in the exclusive list.
I camp full time. I never pay to camp and I camp miles away from people, all over the West. I do not want any sights or sounds of other campers where I camp and it’s not hard to find. People in this article are truly bizarre.
Hard to believe