Thursday, September 16, 2021
Thursday, September 16, 2021

Fifth wheel burns to the ground in 20 minutes. Totally destroyed!

By Steve BarnesA quarter-mile from our site on BLM land 25 miles from Yuma, AZ, a 38-foot fifth-wheel erupted in fire. It took 18 minutes for the first of two fire trucks to arrive from Yuma Proving Grounds, United States Army, and 19 minutes for an ambulance to come from Winterhaven. A couple of sheriff’s cars also attended.

It only took 20 minutes from the start of the fire for the trailer to burn to the ground. It is all fiberglass, plastic and imitation (plastic composites) wood.

Everybody was safe, but it was a nasty site as propane, gasoline and aerosol cans exploded. When I arrived at the scene by bicycle, an undisclosed number of firearms were still exploding. How do firefighters protect themselves from shells exploding? Good question!

Below is a fire we came across at our site in Laughlin last March. Even though this motorhome was only five minutes from the fire station, it was still completely destroyed.

In both fires, the owners lost everything. Many here are full-timers or 5-month Snowbirds. They might have lost wallets, money, family photographs, credit cards, passports, underwear, coats, car keys, pets, and maybe even their tow vehicle if it was parked nearby. Think of what it would have been like for them that first night in a hotel after they had lost everything. Do you have a grab bag of essentials in the event of a disaster?

Have you checked to see if your fire escape windows will open? When my fifth-wheel was new, I checked the fire escape. It would not open. By the time I had removed enough insulation and retrofitted it 2 1/2 hours had passed … yet in a fire, you have less than two minutes to escape.

Did you know that a full-timer needs a full-timer insurance policy? Your recreational use policy will likely not cover you.

The lessons here are:

1. Make an escape plan with your partner.
2. Keep phone and car keys in the same place every night.
3. Keep a grab bag containing essentials and duplicates of some of the items listed in #4 below.
4. Hide in your car:
• insurance invoice
• passports or copy
• prescription drugs or list thereof
• duplicate or “other” financial institution credit card
• $100 cash or more
• inventory of RV contents including photos of open drawers and
compartments
• identification and contact info for family members
5. Most importantly, check with your partner that your fire escapes work and you know how to use them.

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Jill
1 month ago

Additional items to include would be pet vaccination records and vet information. If your pet has a microchip, keep a copy of the number.

Lorna Bartlett
1 month ago

Great article and great suggestions in the follow up comments! Thanks everyone!

Thomas D
1 month ago

Putting something in a banks safe deposit box will not allow just someone with a key to acess it. You must be a co owner or be on the banks register as authorized. My brother recently died and although I am his personal representative i could not get into box. My sister who lives 3000 miles away could though. After spending $500 in legal fees i was finally able to get into box. Best place for important documents, in the refrigerator freezer.

John B
1 month ago

I was a firefighter for 17 years. Your question regarding the rounds of ammo and the dangers for our firefighters caught my attention. As the old saying goes, been there done that. Most people do not understand the firefighter gear, to briefly help understand what we wear to a fire, is approximately 70 pounds of PPE ( Personal Protection Gear). I have been hit with bullets that were harmlessly sitting in boxes. Because they explode due to high heat, they will shoot out, but not with the propensity as being struck by a gun hammer. Our gear has never been penetrated due to fires.

wanderer
1 month ago
Reply to  John B

Would it help to use steel cans such as ammo boxes for storage? Thinking about paramedics, good samaritans, and cops who may not have your heavy gear on.

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  John B

I noted the same thing, and recall an episode of ‘MYTHBUSTERS’ where they tested this. Yes, the powder in the rounds ‘cooked off’, but without something to ‘backstop’ the cartridge, the bullet never went more than a few inches. However, they didn’t test ‘unsecured’ guns that were loaded… so a round in a 9MM Glock that someone keeps under their pillow or in the nightstand COULD, hypothetically, injure someone in a fire.

This is why everyone needs a biometric gun safe. You want fast access for defense, but you also need to be responsible. If it is not on your person, it needs to be locked up.

Ron T.
1 month ago

I’m a bit surprised no one mentioned using a safety deposit box for all those important things that you don’t need daily access to – titles, deeds, tax papers. Full-timers could pick a bank near a trusted relative and give them a key. The fireproof safe for the things you do need access to wouldn’t need to be quite so big.

James Lagasse
1 month ago

RVs that are basically all petrochemicals go up so fast your grab bag had better be at the door or in a tow vehicle, you risk your life if you hesitate leaving.

Dan
1 month ago

A touch of irony here. Tony’s RV review today is an all electric unit, which can translate to be no propane equals less fire hazard. I’ve owned three vehicles with propane heaters and fortunately had no issues. I would love to see more new RV’s move in this direction. Maybe I would feel different if my propane/electric refrigerator worked better. My next improvement will be a 12 volt unit.

John
1 year ago

Apparently one cause of RV fires is overheating ammonia refrigerators.

It’s a complex topic, but I decided to invest in a Fridge Defend controller to reduce this risk.

The Fridge Defend concept (patented) and quality seem good, but the installation is a bit of work.

To assist others, I created a “Fridge Defend User Notebook” as I did the install: http://bit.ly/2Qyw9Ac

The install also includes blowers to increase efficiency and save energy.

Hope this is useful to others considering or installing this product! John

Vivian
1 year ago

Get a small fireproof safe for your docs and any external hard drives or digital storage. I also store these in sealed zip lock bags to help waterproof them. It could also be a flood, accident or tornado that ruins your day. I scanned all my documents, tax returns, insurance, etc and keep all on two cloud servers, Dropbox and Thunderdrive. Got rid of all paperwork before we started fulltime living.

Howard Malpass
1 year ago

WOW!!!!

This is something I have never given any consideration about! NOW I intend to follow your suggestions and take care of things as I would in my brick home!

I could indeed loose quite a lot, when I travel, I am gone about 4 months a year.

Thank you for making this “notice” known to all of us!

Respectfully yours,

Howard Malpass
Shreveport, Louisiana

Henry Dorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Howard Malpass

Same here Howard, I don’t think about RV fires that much–after all, we have an extinquisher, and follow safety practices to a fault–like most people.

We camped in remote Idaho BLM locations last year. I just left the 19-foot Jayco TT hooked up to our pickup.

One could imagine a trailer fire spreading to the tow vehicle.

Will
1 year ago

Just a correction….firearms don’t “explode”. They are made of steel and in some cases, polymer parts. It’s the ammunition that explodes. And when lose ammunition explodes, it’s not like it’s being fired from a gun barrel, it’s more like how a firecracker explodes.

While ammunition exploding in a fire sounds deadly, it’s not. It is dangerous and can cause injury just like any other household goods that explode, but it’s not a reason to stand back and refuse to fight a fire.

Brian S. Holmes
1 year ago
Reply to  Will

a very very foolish statement, the one in the chamber will most certainly discharge as a normal fired round moving through the camper and out into the public or police or firemen. Given a larger caliber weapon like most carry for the ” not on my watch ” situation or “cause you never know” scenario you will be lucky if the one injured or killed isn`t one of the ones you think you might have to protect. Always an excuse never a real reason. Let it burn.

Bob p
1 month ago

A typical anti 2nd Amendment statement, I hope you never have to call 911 to prevent you or a family member needs protection from a criminal as the normal response time is 17-30 minutes.

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob p

No need to be a douchebag there Bob…. Brian does have a point, though the ‘foolish’ part was unnecessary. As I posted above, everyone who owns firearms needs to have a biometric gun safe. It protects people in a situation like a fire – because if it is not on you, it should be locked up.

Timothy Moores
1 month ago

There should never be a shell in the chamber until you are ready to fire it.

Nancy Carter
1 month ago
Reply to  Will

Thank you for pointing that out. I would imagine the author is not familiar with guns.

Jeff Craig
1 year ago

Not sure if they had any pets, but this situation is one thing that scares the beeee-jesus out of me. We keep harnesses on two of our three cats and have TILE’s attached to them. We also have one on our dogs collar. The main idea was that if a cat got out, we could activate the app and if the TILE was in range, it would alarm – but now I’m thinking it would be useful if we had a fire break out. We could alarm the two cats and grab them as we dive head first out the escape window.

Bob p
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

I don’t know your age, but at our ages (octogenarian) diving head first out a fire escape window is not appealing. I have a multi purpose ladder that converts to a 6’ step ladder secured outside the escape window and I make sure the window is operational. We had a 19 year old motorhome that I decided to check the fire escapes. Three hours later I had successfully cleaned out all the trash insects bring into the tiniest opening making their nest. I had to use a common slot screw driver to pry the windows open, not a pleasing thought when flames are dancing around you butt.

Fred
1 year ago

I am just 200 yds from the fifth wheel that Steve shows burning. I was watching some early Nascar events for Daytona Week on tv when I smelled plastic burning & thought it was something in my fifth wheel. I jumped up & looked around, wondering what it could be. Then I glanced outside to the south & saw thick smoke coming from a fifth wheel just down the road from us. Within a minute the flames broke thru the center of the rv. I rushed down to the site, but the guy who lived there alone was outside & no one appeared to be hurt. Steve is right, the rv burned down to the frame in 20 minutes when the fire department got there. All they could do was put out the remaining small flames from the floorboards & the tires & even the aluminum wheels. The owner did manage to get the propane tanks out of the rv during the fire & I heard later he may have suffered burns on his hands. I have a couple of pics of the flames breaking thru the middle walls of the rv & the same “after” pic Steve shows above. The owner left shortly after the fire was out & nobody has heard from or seen him since then.
Afterwards, while thinking about something like that happening to our fifth wheel, I realized our floor safe is only burglar proof, not fire proof. A couple of days later, I found his floor safe laying on the ground & when I opened it, I found only black burned paper & ash. So I ordered a couple of small fire proof envelopes from Amazon to protect our legal papers, titles, & emergency cash we carry in the floor safe. Big mistake. They claimed the envelopes would protect up to 2000 degrees in a fire. So I tested one of the envelopes filled with paper & put it in the burned safe & put the safe in my campfire for 10 minutes. The envelope fell apart & the paper inside turned to ash. Don’t buy “fire proof envelopes”, thinking they will protect valuables, because their claims are worthless. I then ordered a small fire proof safe from Amazon.

Vivian
1 year ago
Reply to  Fred

We fulltime and also bought a small fireproof safe. Keep documents in waterproof bags inside the safe because floods and tornadoes can also ruin your day.

Dr. Michael
1 month ago
Reply to  Vivian

The strangest place to put papers during floods (in a camper or regular home) is the dishwasher.
A dishwasher is designed not to let water leak out. It is also designed not to let water leak in.

TravelingMan
1 year ago

I would dread this happening to anyone…

But, as a suggestion, get a 2-hour (minimum) fire rated safe for important documents such as external computer back up drives, Wiils, Medical Directives, RV and car titles, password lists, emergency cash, emergency phone lists to credit card companies & banks, Social Security Cards, Passports, Auto/RV registrations, a spare cell phone, maybe some certain prescriptions, etc. In the event of such a disaster, that 20 minute fire would not hurt a safe and you can mitigate a worsening situation.

TravelingMan
1 year ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

Also include your last three years tax returns and a copy of your insurance documents.

Be sure to thoroughly document everything in the RV by taking pictures (digital media and paper copies) and also put that in the safe.

name withheld
1 year ago

We are camping in just that area. We smelled, then saw the smoke before all the fire trucks came roaring by- thanks to YPG for their continued support of this LTVA area. Late that day, we drove by the destroyed RV and wondered where the people had gone, if they were okay.

The only thing I’d add is that we have a pet, as many RV-ers do. It is very seldom that we must leave our dog at home, but when we do, we never, ever lock the door. And we have a sign affixed to the slideout by the door to let people know to let the dog out in case of fire.

Pat
1 year ago

As a full-timer in a motorhome, I also keep copies of the documents at a relative’s house. If the RV should catch fire, when I’m not there, I still have access to them.

Another Pat
1 month ago
Reply to  Pat

I do the same thing. My brother also has access to my checking account in case I lose my cards in a fire.

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