By Chuck Woodbury
EDITOR
Gail and I have a combination microwave/convection oven in our motorhome. Our Winnebago Adventurer also came with a traditional oven. We did some research and decided we could do just fine with the microwave/convection arrangement. So we removed the traditional oven and installed three drawers.
It was a wise move. Gail does most of the cooking and is very happy using the convection oven. We still use the microwave for heating things up and some cooking. I am no expert on this sort of thing, but wanted to bring up the topic after reading the following question at our Facebook Group, RV Advice:
“I need to know which is better in a class A motorhome, an oven or a convection oven? We have an oven and a very small microwave, but are concerned that an oven may heat up the rig too much. We can refigure to put in a convection microwave but not really sure it’s worth the $$.”
I can personally answer the question about a traditional oven heating up the rig too much: That has never been an issue with me with my current motorhome or ones before. On hot days, we’d simply not use the traditional oven. On cold days, it helped heat the coach.
What do you think? Would you please leave a comment?
My experience is that the standard ovens in RVs are for the birds; my first typically burned the bottom of everything; tried baking stone, etc. – no luck. That RV had microwave/convection oven – wonderful! Current rig: use the standard oven for storage and am anxious for the microwave to die so I can replace with convection. Bought a small toaster oven in the short term.
We’ve owned our present rig for 11 years and it has a convection/microwave. We’ve only used the convection part of it once in all that time. I like the gas oven however and use it often.
I keep my travel trailer in an oversized carport at my home. The gas oven was very much appreciated during our second power outage last year. We turned on gas in tt and moved pie from electric oven in house to oven in tt. Turned on battery powered lights cooked lunch and also made use of furnace in tt.
I use my stove top for cooking breakfast but the convection oven and mic for everything else. Just had my convection replaced because it broke and was very expensive. Thank goodness for extended warranty.
We have a microwave and conventional oven in our TT. Because I don’t like heating up the oven, we purchased an air fryer and use this as our oven. It’s really a convection oven and that is my preference
Do they make convection ovens about size of a microwave these days?
In my 2019 Cougar Tt I have a microwave and a nice sized traditional oven. In my 14th year of full timing I’d like the best of both worlds. Just need to find out if I can replace one for the other considering power and wiring requirements.
Just a thought.
Take care and stay warm.
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Yes they make a microwave sized one. I have an Oster one. I had a Sunbeam too. Both work great, don’t need any special wiring.
We have a combined convection microwave, and we are delighted with it! I’ve never had one of the combined units before and was a bit skeptical, but we are very comfortable with it now.
I would love to see an article on convection cooking. I read that you should lower the temperature by 25%. I don’t see how this is better than leaving set at the recommended regular oven setting. I’ve looked online but don’t find anything to “teach” me how to use the convection oven.
I use a countertop convection oven all the time instead of my regular oven. I’ve found that its ok to use the recommended temp for most things, just check it often because the cooking time is shorter. Of course, there are exceptions, as in regular cooking. You just learn through trial and error, but it’s just mainly cooking times are shorter. I like mine so well, this is my 2nd one. I wore out the first one after a few years of almost daily use.
We use our gas oven for storage…pots, pan lids, etc. Love my convection microwave! Maybe I can talk hubby into changing oven out to regular storage drawers. We have a countertop induction plate to use for frying, boiling water, etc.
Once we figured out how to use the covection oven we LOVE it. We almost never use the conventional oven except for special occasions and the rare power outage, where running the generator would be annoying. We like it so much we had a covection oven installed at our home base. So our vote is convection oven is worth the money. Could definitely live without the conventional oven or as we call it the storage compartment oven.. 🙂
We learned to use the convection/microwave oven in our previous motorhome, so when we ordered our 2013 Phaeton 42LH, we opted to have a dishwasher put in place of the oven. Turned out to be a great decision. Love the dishwasher.
Hate the convection oven!!!!
First RV it’s a convection oven and the wife loves it. I like that it doesn’t heat up the motorhome, of course this year in southern TX we could use som extra heat.
We use both features in our RV. Microwave / Convection Oven. Our Gas oven has not been used since we bought the RV. We also use a INDUCTION Cook Top for doing most of the other cooking.
One NOTE: Make sure you open your outside VENT! And don’t forget to close it when you hit the road or it could get torn off in the wind!
We bought our A class in the Spring and it had the standard propane oven and stove top as well as a convection/microwave. We never used a convection oven before, even tho we have one at home, and gave it a try on a casserole when we first arrived in Florida. We were extremely impressed with the end result and have cooked many meals with it since. We haven’t used the propane at all. We also use an induction cooktop which is impressive as well.
Cooking or baking in your microwave/convection oven takes skill and practice. When I attended the FMCA rally in July 2018 I attended 2, 1 hour seminars and learned many wonderful tips. Now I love cooking in it, but I am still learning. Here is a great website for tips. http://Www.microwaveconnect.com. We use our dishwasher for Tupperware storage.
Your dishwasher???
I’ve been around convection ovens for a very long time . Our current tt doesn’t have one. Had one at home nearly 30 years now. Been pricing them for TT they are $$$$
Convection is the way to go. We bake in it all the time, biscuits, casseroles, etc.
Hello…..We have a 2014 Winnebago 27N which came with a combo oven.
Have no idea on convection since we never used it. The regular oven also used slightly.
Hurray for the microwave. We are out with our RV clubs twice per month.(7-10 days)
We are in the No Cooking Zone.
When we ordered our MH we took the option to have the oven replaced with 3 huge drawers and ordered the GE convection oven. Loved the convection oven so much got one for our home. We can use our convection as a regular oven or as a convection. When we do use it we use it as an oven so we don’t have to deal with converting cooking times. And the extra drawer space was the right way to go.
I always swore by a conventional oven until I got a NuWave convection oven at home. Once I got used to using it, I only use my regular oven to store pots and pans. Our newer RV only has the convection/microwave, and I haven’t missed the old arrangement one bit. In fact, I bought the NuWave cooktop, and don’t even use the regular stovetop. The NuWave heats up faster (you DO have to remember to press start after selecting the temperature), and cools off quicker. you must have magnetic bottoms on the pans (take a magnet with you when shopping for the pans; if the magnet clings, all’s good). Cast iron is perfect for the NuWave. Also, it takes a little memorizing to press pause before lifting the pan up from the cooktop.
We live in Florida and RV 3/4 time March thru November. Our RV was custom ordered by the original owner and did not have a conventional oven, only a convection microwave, which has been great since we have 2 large, deep drawers instead. Personally, I would not waste the space on a conventional oven.
If you have room on the counter, I would highly recommend the Cuisinart 7-function oven for $195. . It air fries, bakes, convection bakes, broils, convection broils, toasts, and keeps warm. The air fryer is amazing and the food is delicious. For baking and broiling, it’s like a real oven. Toasting is not quite as good as a real toaster, but certainly OK. We love it so much we bring it into the house when we get home.
I agree with your assessment of the Cuisinart 7-function oven. We purchased one for use in our trailer and it’s been great! We have it in our AZ trailer but loved it so much that I purchased one for our brick & mortar home in WI.
I really like having both. If I have 50 amps of electricity I often use the convection/microwave and an induction cooktop (plus a toaster, coffeemaker, and Instant Pot). But when we are off grid I can cook the exact same meals with my propane oven and stovetop. I have a pizza stone in the oven to equalize the heat, so I haven’t had issues with burning the bottom of anything. Even when hooked up to electricity,and we usually are, I use the propane oven to bake large things. If I could only have one, I would choose the propane
For us, the traditional oven has proven to be far superior to the convection microwave oven. My wife is a foodie and a traditional oven cooks much better and gives us the temperature and preciseness she longs for. Also, the RV traditional ovens we have had in our RVs are considerably bigger than the convection oven inside (they’re still smallish). We are extremely disappointed in the inability to fit most cooking items into the convection oven. The standard convection’s size appears to be 1 or 1.1 cubic foot and WAY too small. My wife complains about it all the time. On-the-other-hand, she likes having the three extra drawers below the stove as storage, especially in the kitchen, is VERY limited. An additional comment (a plus in our case) is that the traditional oven can be used any time whereas the convection oven requires us to be plugged in or fire up the generator and burn expensive diesel fuel. We also like to stay in State and National Parks where electricity is normally unavailable but the space and scenery is superior.
Which brings up the subject of the kitchen in general. Probably my wife’s biggest complaint is the almost total lack of kitchen counter for prep space (not counting the counter covers as they have to be removed to properly use the kitchen area while prepping and cooking). We feel that the designers of motorhomes do not really use them or they would be designed and built differently/better. Just sayin’…………
We camp 12-14 times per season in our TrailManor, and also know that we can rely on it as an emergency shelter if we lose power for an extended period of time. We prefer to dry camping whenever possible, so we prefer a traditional oven. We don’t use a generator, therefore having an oven that runs off of propane is a better option.
We bought our coach used in 09 and after the first year the wife had me remove the cook top and install an oven so we now have both the convection/microwave and conventional oven. 90% of the time she is using the conventional oven as that is what she is most comfortable with.
We love our convection oven! It took a little bit of patience and trust with the 1st couple of meals and now it will be a must have in our next coach.
Our coach was equipped with a combination microwave/convection oven and I prefer that over a conventional oven. Our previous coach had a conventional oven and after using it twice I decided it was a great storage space!
We only have the microwave/convection unit in our coach, no gas oven. It didn’t take much for either my wife or I to be comfortable using it. We have easily learned how to adjust time and temperature. No big deal for us. We also have a dishwasher which we use every day.
RV’ing 6 years with road trips to Calif, Alaska, Michigan, Maine and upper NY we have never used the oven. Purchased an induction plate for cooking as well as convection oven. 38 ft MH and drove 40K miles during that time. Moore’s
I removed the cooktop and dishwasher in our new-to-us 2006 Winnebago Journey and installed a Suburban gas range with oven. For many things we cook we prefer the gas oven. Also we dry camp/boondock a lot so using the convection oven is a non starter. We do use the microwave part of the convection oven when dry camping for 5-10 minutes uses. For things like heating water, baking potatoes, defrosting things. These uses don’t over use our battery and solar setup.
In our 38 ft Adventurer, it came with a microwave/convection oven combo and a gas stove. We purchased a induction plate so we never used the stove. We also have a Breville toaster/convection oven combo so we have additional cooking ability. Using propane for water heating and the occasional use for the floor heat in the winter used up our tanks supply much quicker than expected. When we traded for a Journey (DP all electric with Aqua hot system) , it came with an induction plate as well as the microwave/convection combo. With our Breville toaster/convection oven we can cook anything with ease. Our use of diesel is rare and only for winter heating (or when the wife takes an extra long shower). We are not dry-campers so hooking up to the campground electric is all we need.
We Have had a convection/Microwave oven in our rig since we have the rig. We use it all the time. We Like it. We have no Oven below. Like it. Room for cabinets below. Have gas stove top
We had only a Convection Microwave and let’s face it, I’m short. With the CM being over my head it was a burn and fall waiting to happen. So my husband gifted me a breville, and other than microwaving to reheat something the CM is not used.
We have both but I use the propane oven almost exclusively. I have also used both at the same time when grandkids are with us. I enjoy having both.
I have toyed with the thought of microwave/convection oven because I HATE my oven. I have to get down on my hands and knees to light it every time I use it, then the door doesn’t properly seal, the heat is not evenly dispersed, etc. We have a 2017 toy hauler and really had higher hopes for gas cooking. This story has really encouraged me again that I want to switch. I also love the drawers for additional storage as we are fulltime evangelist who travels and live in our RV. Thanks for the story.
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I used the propane oven for years. Never very happy but….. Our latest rig came with a micro/convection. I love it and have been doing lots more baking.
We have a 5th wheel with a large kitchen area but never use the oven except to store our bread items and a large skillet. We have a toaster oven we carry. If it’s cold outside we use it inside. If it’s hot we bake outside. We have an induction plate we use the same way. The only time we use the propane stove top is when we are dry camping. The tiny microwave we use just to heat food/beverages up.
Our current motorhome did not include an oven so we currently have a convection and an electric roaster. Our prior coach had both the rv gas oven and the convection oven. We found that the gas oven was simply not very useful, too small and did not cook well. So from an rv standpoint I would say that the convection microwave is our preference. I am not saying that a convection microwave is better than an oven, it is not. But when there is no space for a large oven the convection microwave is better than the gas rv oven we had.
We just purchased a new (to us) diesel pusher, and it didn’t come with a propane oven. We boondock nearly 100% of the time, so we removed 3 drawers and had a new Furrion propane oven put in. Our old motorhome had an Atwood propane oven, and so far, we like the Furrion beter. (Part of a closet was renovated to include pantry drawers to make up for those missing in the kitchen.) Yes, we could start the generator each time we wanted to use the oven – but it’s SO much nicer to just turn on the gas! We often camp in areas that limit the hours during which you can run the gen, and it’s lovely to bake breakfast early in the morning using the propane oven, or bake late night cookies. It’s also perfect for long cooking roasts. Then, we had to replace the convection/microwave, and installed a new Advantium oven. If you are contemplating a new convection/micro – you definitely want to look at the Advantium – it’s amazing! It can brown things just like a broiler, and even does toast!
The quote you used was mine from RV Advice. I received lots of comments and we chose to buy a convection microwave combination to use in our rig. Thanks so much for all the info, advice, and entertainment you provide. I have to admit, it kind of made me feel like a celebrity to see my question in your article. Keep the info coming! Thanks
I have a 28′ class A that came with a full size oven and a small microwave. I tried using the oven several times as I am a baker. It was erratic and put a tremendous amount of heat into the rig. We replaced the microwave with a small Sharp combination micro/convection and I couldn’t be happier. I have been after my husband for 8 years to tear the oven out and put in drawers but it hasn’t happened. So, I just use it for storage.
We have a convection oven and my wife hates it. You can not use it well on 30amp and we don’t have 50amp for 5 months of the year. It dries out the food. We have found that it is not faster than a regular oven. It does not cook evenly and she has to turn the pan around in the middle of the cooking cycle to get it to cook both ends of the food evenly. We bought a used propane stove and oven to use when we have 30amp during the winter. We investigated getting it replaced with a regular microwave and oven but because of the Corian countertop and other considerations it just wouldn’t work. Our next RV will have a regular stove/oven or we won’t buy it. We have full timed in large fifth wheels since 2003.
Have always preferred a gas oven to the convection-microwave, but now have both, and IMHO, the best of both worlds. As Chuck noted, on hot days, I wouldn’t use the gas oven, but it sure is the better option on chilly fall days.
One factor I failed to mention in my previous post – I do carry an oversized electric toaster oven, and find it the best option for campsite cooking that requires an oven – I set it up on the campsite picnic table usually, and all the heat remains outside the coach.
Our small 23’ Navion came with CM and propane cooktop. We travel mainly the western US, Canada, and Alaska for 3-5 months a year since retirement. Space efficiency is our primary consideration and between the two types of food prep heating we accomplish all we need very handily. Our use for a gas oven is minimal to modest at home so the lack of one on the road is not an issue. Our primary focus while touring is about sites and destinations and food is to replenish us for the following days activities. The reality of this great lifestyle is that your rig can be easily modified to fit your desire/needs.
We have a 2017 Thor Four Winds with a gas oven and a CM. We have never used the oven. Where do you find a 3 drawer cabinet to replace the gas oven? I think they make them to slide into the same opening.
When I replaced my gas oven with drawers I contacted the factory directly. We have a Winnebago and they stock or manufacture what you need at their plant. Keep in mind that the gas range and oven are usually one unit. I had to replace the range with a drop in. Good luck!
I learned to hate the rv propane oven with the first one I had. In my current rig I’ve used the propane oven twice since 2014. It has a convection/microwave that does a much better job, tho not perfect. But, my real love is the Breville countertop oven. I recently got the version that is a convection oven and also air frys & dehydrates.
Loved all the comments. Thanks to the suggestions, I’m asking hubby to remove the convection/mw and replace it with a small Advantium wall oven (if possible). Also remove that horrible propane oven and give me drawers or cabinet. Then have a 2 burner induction plate for everyday cooking. Or a gas cooktop if possible. I am so excited!
Advantium ovens are 240 volts. We had one in our last house, it was nice.
No, some are 120 volts. GE Advantium 120
We have a 1999 Fleetwood Southwind. The oven we had was hard to light and did not cook right. It also took up a lot of space for all we used it. We also had a combo micro/convection oven.
I took out the oven and replaced it with roll out pan storage three years ago and we have not missed it.
We have a 2017 Forest River Berkshire QS4 that came with the microwave/convection oven in our motorhome. Well we’ve had it for 2 years & so far my wife hasn’t used it & when we need an oven she says I’m gonna read the directions first, still hasn’t happened. In our 99 Winnebago we had a regular gas oven that was, well less than desirable so to say, but it worked good enough. So I guess i’m gonna learn on how to use it. LOL
Dave
Have had. A microwave convection oven for the past 18 years. It bakes fine and the. Microwave oven is perfect. Our 5th wheel came with both. Have never felt the need to use the regular oven . It is a great place to store bread and cookies…
My gas oven in my used travel trailer never worked. The knob couldn’t be moved to turn on the gas. I opted for a convection/toaster oven combination and use my oven for storage. I’m not capable of removing the oven and can’t afford someone else to do so. The microwave is up high and difficult for me to remove heavy hot food containers so is used sparingly except in the summer.
We have 2014 Winnebago 27RBDS with a small microwave and gas oven. What I learned several years ago is that you have to put pizza stone in the open, and it will work fine. We use the oven quite a bit with cooking and baking. I think that if people could learn how the oven works they could get much better results.
This is true! But it is also true that some people like to cook; others like an excuse not to!
I had a microwave/convection oven for almost 10 years when I lived in an apartment. It actually caught fire inside the mechanism while microwaving a potato. A new replacement was 3 times the price of a standard microwave, so I opted for just a microwave since the apartment furnished an oven.
We have had both, convection and conventional gas. We never used the gas oven but we use the convection oven all the time.
I have both in my fifth wheel. I have used the convential gas oven on occasion such as when I’ve prepared a big holiday meal but I’ve found that 1) it heats up the rig too much, & 2) it’s a royal pain in the patootie (& knees) to light. I’m getting too old to be almost prone on the floor to light it. I use my microwave/convection oven almost daily but it too has issues. 1) Even though I use a cover whenever possible, food still splatters occasionally. It is difficult to clean since I can’t use a commercial oven cleaner nor anything abrasive on it & 2) it doesn’t always cook evenly. They both have their pros & cons.
When ordering our 2011 Cameo 32FWS we chose a combination microwave/convection oven and had a cabinet put in place of the gas oven. I do a lot of cooking and I never missed it. Our current rig has both and I have used the gas oven only once. One caution is to make sure the microwave/convection oven in your rig is large enough to be functional.
We have had our 2004 Dutch Star for 4 years, and I only use the oven for storage. I got an air fryer oven for Christmas and it will be going with us next summer. It browns and reheats much better than the convection microwave!
I got an Air Fryer oven last year and use it all the time. I have a micro/convection over over the stove and a nu wave induction cooktop. I keep the 3 burner propane cooktop covered and use it for a workplace. The propane oven is where we store our bread. I hated using the conventional oven as it is a pain to light and even with a pizza stone in it tends to bake unevenly. We are seriously considering removing the oven and replacing ii with drawers. I just finished baking 8 dozen cookies in my convection oven and they turned out perfectly. I have to admit it took several tries to get the right micro/conv oven.
I have a 2000 MH – the convection part of the microwave does not work well. Before someone says -‘you don’t know how to use them’, I used them in restaurants for years and love them. When we bought our MH the first thing I did was remove the stove top and have an oven/stove top put in. Was fine losing the 2 drawers as the oven is more important. I bake in it probably 2-3 times a week. If it is hot out I either delay baking or turn the fan on to suck the hot air outside. Having the oven on only changes the inside temp a few degrees. When I would use my convection oven it put out as much or more heat – which I have not tried using in over 10 years.
so for me – the oven is important. Plus, inside of it is bigger than the convection oven.
Our first 40 ft, motorhome, I had a micro/conv. We decided to have more storage, since we were full time. I absolutely hated, not having a oven. I cook, a lot and the conv. oven did not meet my standards for proper baking. We have since owned 2 other trailers, and I made sure I had the large oven. Works great. When it’s really hot, I use my Ninja Foodi.
We use a Panasonic Infrared Counter-top stove ($120). Heats up immediately, toasts evenly, cooks/heats great, takes little space. Typical toaster ovens always gave us less than stellar results. Don’t like using microwaves for health reasons. Our large convection works ok, but is better used for pan storage.
We also have a convection/microwave and drawers where the oven used to be. Works great for us.
To further reduce unwanted heat inside the coach, we cook on an 3 ring induction cook top.
I have been using convection/microwaves for 30 years and some are really good but it seems most of the smaller ones leave a lot to be desired. My first was a Sharp 1-1/2 to 2 cubic feet it lasted 25 years and the current one is similar in size Panasonic for the last 5 years and both have performed flawlessly. The amount of heat they generate in a small space seems to be a problem for the small sized ones plus they don`t have all the controls of the bigger models. The selection of small sized ones is poor and I have been looking for several years to purchase one for my RV. When you roast with combination cooking (microwave/convection) it is very quick with better results than a regular oven. I plan on putting a circulation fan on the cabinet to keep it cooler if I ever find the right one.
We bought a Sharp micro/convection for our house because we liked the Sharp we have in our coach so much. It has lots of heat settings & the two are identical in design etc. Even though the one in the house is 9 years newer.
Not all convection/microwave ovens are created equal. I currently have a Sharp in my Winnebago Journey motorhome and it does a very nice job. I had a different make/model in a Newmar Canyon Star, and it was a piece of junk. A small tray of cookies would be burned on one side of the tray and raw on the other side. Newmar did replace it for me with a different manufacturer model. The only small issue I currently have with the convection / microwave combo is that when I use the convection oven to roast meat, I have to wait until the oven cools before I can microwave the steamable veggies. I usually just stick them in a pan and steam them stove top.
How does one use a convection oven without hookups?
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Have a GE Advantium 120 and it is fantastic. Be careful some manufacturers have door latches that are not suitable for RV use. The door will fly open unexpectedly and cause damage to the microwave and any item inside the microwave. IE glass plate.
We have a Newmar with a microwave/convection oven and love the extra drawers in place of a traditional oven. Really like the convection oven but don’t use it much in hot weather due to the heat it generates inside the coach which the AC units cant overcome in 90 + sunshine . If motorhome manufactuers would vent the units to the outside instead of inside the coach it would solve a lot of the problem
Venting for any oven or cooktop would greatly help! Don’t know why it is not a standard feature.
Our convection is vented to the outside so we use it because it doesn’t heat up the coach.
We have a Fleetwood Pace Arrow with both types in it. The wife loves the convection style and here in Fla, the day time temps make the use of the gas oven problematic due to the heating up of the coach. Cookies to roast, they all come out fine.
It all depends on preferences and if the convection oven works. Mine does not work well. I have used commercial convection ovens so know how to cook with them, but the one in my MH, which is 19 years old, has never worked right. Not to mention all the heat it puts out. I prefer my regular oven. I use it at least 3 times a week even in hot weather. When it is hot out I turn the stove fan on which sucks much of the heat out.
We have a traditional oven in our camper and of course it is a small one. I just needed to figure out how to use it without burning meals in it.
Luckily I use to be a chef for many years and solved it quickly. We keep a pizza stone in the bottom to spread the heat properly with no hot spots.
Yes a convection oven would be nice but having room for one in our tight space.
Wife wanted the conventional oven, so I installed one in place of some drawers. Convection Microwave is used as a Microwave. Wife is happy and I am well fed.
I always thought we needed a regular oven in our RV but the current RV we have now has micro/convection & an oven and we just don’t use the regular oven. It is a pain to light, we don’t leave the pilot light on & a pain to clean. As a matter of fact we just purchased a convection oven that we use outside as another oven. So much easier to use. If we purchase another RV it will be without a conventional oven but I would like a dishwasher!
We have a convection oven in our RV and I really dislike using it. It gets TERRIBLY HOT and generally sets off the smoke alarm (not because of smoke but just the heat). It takes hours to cool off which means the fan in it runs automatically that whole time. I’m so sorry I don’t have a traditional oven as I did in our last RV
I wonder how convection\Microwave do when one is boon-docking?
We have the convection/microwave. It’s all I use, no gas oven, when I did have in prior RV, it was storage.
Convection Microwave suits me for cooking.
For those who say it’s to hot, maybe not properly vented, guess how I know.
Too hot and burns things, adjust temperature or turn during cooking.
Traditional oven for us all the way. We boondock a lot or dry camp at FS campgrounds and an oven, even in July is a must. Heat is not a problem with open windows all around. A convection or microwave for us requires electricity. We have solar panels, but they won’t support running the microwave. When we do have electricity, the microwave is nice, but for us, food just doesn’t taste the same.