Walmart changing tune about overnight RV camping

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Through the years, Walmart has welcomed hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of RVers for a free night’s stay in its store parking lots across North America. The company doesn’t just look the other way at these “squatters,” it actually states right on its website that such stays are permitted, as long as it’s okay with store managers and doesn’t violate local ordinances. “Walmart values RV travelers and considers them among our best customers,” the Walmart website notes.

It’s been this way since the mid-1980s, when Walmart founder Sam Walton was still around, and a fan of the practice.

But that’s changing. More stores are banning overnight stays than ever before. In 2010, about 78% of Walmart stores allowed overnight RV parking. Now, it’s close to 58%, according to Jim O’Briant, who runs Overnight RV Parking, a website that tracks more than 14,000 free RV parking locations in the United States and Canada for its RVer members.

This comes at a time when RV sales are skyrocketing, and spaces in RV parks are filling up, with few new parks under construction. Walmart has become an overnight safety valve for an increasing number of RV travelers.

One by one, however, Walmart stores that once allowed overnight stays have erected “No Parking” signs because of abuse. Too many times, RVers have leaked sewer tank waste onto parking lots or intentionally dumped it into storm drains. Others have dripped motor oil, left bags of trash, ruined asphalt with their leveling jacks, or pulled out lounge chairs and grills as if the parking lot were a campground.

RV park owners have lobbied their city councils to ban stays at the stores, as it’s bad for their businesses. Cities that have enacted such laws have often endured considerable bashing on social media, sometimes forcing them to reverse their decisions.

O’Briant believes that more Walmart stores are restricting the practice because people are increasingly using the parking lots to camp out for extended times.

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David Tatlitug
5 days ago

People are pigs. It’s that simple and as always a choice few ruin things for the rest of us weary drivers who will now be driving while to tired. States haven’t made it easy either by posting no overnight parking signs in their rest areas and by taking water and dump stations out for all travelers. Millions of people now travel by RV or while pulling trailers. Many people if not for their home in tow would not have a home at all. The richest country in the world could care less about it’s poor and makes it harder for them to survive. In Florida we even have laws that forbid feeding the the poor as if they were pigeons.

Douglas Powell
4 days ago
Reply to  David Tatlitug

This is a political issue and IF we keep giving favored nation status to those that opress and control us it will only get worse. Once upon a time a man with big ears did a flip chart on TV to describe GNP and NAFTA and described how it was IMPERATIVE that we keep manufacturing in our country as a way to keep the environment safe and people employed. However the same party that is in control now pushed it through. We need to bring back jobs and get people back to work. YOUR VOTE COUNTS! So please study the issues, look to history and see who has voted in a way that has effected your safety from riotous protests, your retirement savings, your civil rights, and your privacy. This election will be pivotal in the history of AMERICA

Monty
4 days ago
Reply to  Douglas Powell

I think it’s more important to BE American than to BUY American. BEING American means exercising the liberty of choice in purchasing goods and services.

Marsha Breen
2 days ago
Reply to  Douglas Powell

Yes, vote Republican in November!

Mike
9 days ago

I’m a truck driver,I usually park overnight at Walmart, I’ve seen RVs dumping garbage, specially when I travel up my 87 Thruway ,and from what I’ve seen , Canadians dumping into sewage,now I have to park somewhere else

Jacques Paquet
9 days ago
Reply to  Mike

Why during winter and spring there is a lot of garbage at the truck stop out beside the entrance of the highway? Is it Rv’s doing it our truckers? Stop to put the blame on Rv’s!

Marsha Breen
2 days ago
Reply to  Mike

I’ve also seen truck drivers pee in bottles or jugs then pour it out onto the concrete at truck stops and gas stations. Don’t blame it all on RV’s.

Tom edelman
9 days ago

Man…he eventually takes advantage of others, places and things. Free will Will be the end of our good life because too many just don’t care about .. much or others these days. God Bless the meek

Ilovedominoes
10 days ago

Bunches of people are coming out in droves to ‘live on wheels/mobile’, and call themselves “nomads” for more “supposed freedom and flexibility”, thanks to social media, especially YouTube and the “Instagram famous super attractive couple”, romanticizing the lifestyle and motivating everyone to go outdoors and live on the road because is such a wonderful lifestyle. Crowds have ruined what used to be empty parks and nice places. Millions of RV sales, means millions of people crowding places, —not counting the ones living in vans and cars.
I have seen videos and articles of crowds and miles of lines of RVs to enter parks. Campgrounds are extremely crowded too. Hiking trails are super crowded, hiking is supposed to be a relaxing experience, but not with crowds of people all over following you. Lastly, It broke my heart to see human feces and trash on hiking trails.

Rich
9 days ago
Reply to  Ilovedominoes

Trails are for everyone to enjoy.

Tom edelman
5 days ago
Reply to  Rich

Hope u carry a shovel and don’t hit another’s waste place.

Firefighter Tom
10 days ago

In March 2002 we spent a week at Charleston, SC and rode the shuttle boat to Fort Sumter. Wife struck up a conversation with a family of five. They said they, too, travel with an RV. My wife asked where they were staying. “Walmart” was the reply. “Just for tonight?” my wife asked. “No. For the whole week!” We stayed overnight in a Walmart in the past but fully understand why Walmat has changed their policy.

Kelly
10 days ago

Walmart shouldn’t allow those free loaders they should ban them all

Carlleen
9 days ago
Reply to  Kelly

It is awful to see abuse of this wonderful amenity.
But my husband (who is disabled with a major heart disease and had multiple very dangerous operations), and I wanted to travel and see the US before it is to late.
We get all his medications and 99.0% of our supplies from walmart.
We have relied on Walmart.
We are not free loaders and alot of other people are not either.

Tom edelman
5 days ago
Reply to  Kelly

There was a time many moons ago that some WMS would Actually leave pastries at RV seps that stayed the night. Those days of common sense RV campers died off and Most campers today turned into RV grinches.

Alice
10 days ago

It’s so sad when the bad actions of a few destroy a good thing for all! We have spent many a night at a WalMart when traveling cross country and make sure we have checked with management first and purchased items from their store!

Angela Arrendale
10 days ago
Reply to  Alice

I’ve often wonder why dont they charge 25.00 a night. Like a machine you can pull up to put in your 25.00 get a ticket to show you paid. I wldnt mind paying it. We usually drive at night while it’s much cooler and less traffic. I definitely wldnt mind paying 25.00.

Skip
10 days ago

We have found a brief stay at Walmart to be invaluable. When traveling at night you will find it impossible to get into a campground after 6-8pm unless you already have reservations. Often we want to put on as many miles as possible to get to our destination but when you hit that “I hit the wall and I really should stop driving soon” good luck trying to get into a campground. Walmart has been that perfect go to rest stop. We always buy most of our trips needs during that stopover, and we are always appreciative and respectful of our Walmart host! I hope things do not change!!!

steve
10 days ago

I worked for WalMart, here is why. Times have changed, it use to be majority of overnight’ers were nice clean RV’er family’s and retired types in clean RV’s stopping an shopping .

Not any more, now its majority Mad Max , Mansion family, druggie vans and barely driving oil leaking, back water dripping drug dealing crystal meth zombie caravans who take over the parking lot and dump massive amounts of trash all over the place .

Most of them don’t shop , they shop lift !

American has changed radically for the worst.

If I owned WalMart I would require some sort of WalMart RV membership.

Perhaps a parking permit – pass, perhaps a very very cheap WalMart RV parking membership that requires a current registration , insurance, current license and a visual exterior inspection for leaking fluids with a time stamp upon entering if You enter and do not come inside and check in then You are violation subject to towing and / or police response.

Alvin
10 days ago
Reply to  steve

Steve you raise a good solution. Why not some mandated type of permit? You pay a monthly/annual fee with perhaps the money rasied being donated to a local charity.

Many RV parks, “judge” who will be allowed on their property, why not Walmart.

Or better yet. Why can’t Walmart get into the RV Resort business? Many of them have, or could have, the space. They sell every other consummer product imaginable, so why not get serious and go full on into the RV Park biz?

It would be a goldmine and most definitively solve so many of the problems currently plaguing them, as they bless we RV’ers with a much needed service.

Don Driever
10 days ago
Reply to  Alvin

Alvin I too think Steve raised a good point. However I doubt that it will do what is intended completely. Yes there are travelers such as Skip above and I too have been in that situation of wanting to put the miles behind me mode. I stayed at a Walmart one time and never again. I won’t go into the multitude of reasons at this time. I have always been able to find an inexpensive or free alternative stop for the night instead of Walmart. My opinion of the people who use Walmart is as Steve pointed out or the are just to cheap to pay their way as they should. If you can afford to own an RV, then you should have included as part of the expense of that ownership the ability or willingness to pay to park that rig every day that you use it.

rvgrandma
10 days ago
Reply to  Don Driever

Even if you own an RV does not mean you want to spend $50 or more for a few hours in an RV park when you don’t need the hook-ups. RVs are self contained for reasons, one of which means you don’t need to have hook-ups every night.

Marsha Breen
2 days ago
Reply to  Don Driever

We’ve stopped 2 times in 10 years at a Walmart. Once was traveling back from Pennsylvania where we purchased a new rig, back to Indianapolis. We were supposed to leave the dealership at 12 noon to drive home and because of an A/C problem, we didn’t get away until 6 p.m. Too far to drive all the way home. Not everyone takes advantage of this stop. Besides, with some of the clientele that shop at Walmart, I’m not keen on staying in one of their parking lots unless it appears that particular Walmart looks to be in a good part of town.

Paulette DeCastro
10 days ago
Reply to  steve

Yes that’s a fantastic idea
We are once in awhile needing to stop for a rest but I still feel guilty doing so
In Canada I do see this at our Walmart being used more then ever because of Covid.
Now I am seeing Casino parking lots used ours in our city will allow you to stay but no Hydro.
The Casinos loved in the past that you were in thier vicinity and would Gamble
I even seen that these Gamblers would bring thier Rig stay over nite instead of paying for a room.
Our Casino is closed because of Covid and now our Walmart is bombarded with road travelers are here to stay.🙄😤
What are ya gonna do?

bill k
10 days ago
Reply to  steve

My good friend is a Wal Mart store manager. One morning he came to work and counted 14 RVs in his lot. I asked, why not devise a way to charge for an overnight stay? His response: “Well of course corporate has thought of that. But as soon as Wal Mart charges to stay, they open themselves up to liability issues, law suits. Not worth it. Eventually RV parking will go away.”

Dan
9 days ago
Reply to  bill k

Cannot argue with that. You know darn good and well that if anyone has considered a way to make money, it would be Walmart. I, too, worked at Walmart briefly to keep busy while while waiting for my wife to retire. There was constant conversation about Walmart selling cars, insurance, even their own financial institution (banking), There is no doubt they had the means to pursue anything they might choose, so if they wanted to be in the RV park business they would have done it. Unfortunately, that was a few years ago when people still maintained some respect for each other, and it was not normal to see people leave trash behind, homeless “campers”, used needles everywhere, etc. Dont be surprised if Walmart and others just plain ban overnite parking at all facilities.

Jpige52
4 days ago
Reply to  steve

Sounds like a great idea!

Will
3 days ago
Reply to  steve

The Walmart experiences are going away people. The sooner you adapt the better. You may not want to pay $50 for a site but that comes with Rv ownership. Do you expect to get free fuel and repairs? Cost of ownership folks. The owners of private campgrounds have invested their money and lives into their businesses and why not support them. Many offer different levels of services at various prices. Try supporting the ENTIRE rv world. If you don’t then don’t complain when these campgrounds have to close down.

Marsha Breen
2 days ago
Reply to  Will

I think many good RV’ers also buy their groceries and stuff at Walmart when they stop there for the night. Why should they want to pay additional money out of their pocket? Not sure why you compare that to “free fuel and repairs”? If you’re driving down the road and it’s getting late, you might be in an area that you are unaware of where private campgrounds might be located. Also, many of these private campgrounds cater to the seasonal campers who get very territorial of their campground and see those of us needing to stay 1 night at a time as being intruders.

Diane McClain
1 day ago
Reply to  steve

YUP–this would be a great plan….we use WM Parking Lots for “OVENIGHT” parking and appreciate being able to do so. As several have said–it takes only a few to ruin it for millions! 🙂

TJS
10 days ago

The easy solution, Post signs saying 24hr Max stay instead of total bans because a few want to LIVE at Walmart then set up panhandling each day too.
I even wrote to Walmart suggesting this and received the standard thank you note.

Steve
10 days ago

Perhaps a revocable window sticker issued or even purchased at Walmart. If you violate the rules of courtesy you’re no longer welcome.

PennyPA
10 days ago

Don’t always blame Wal-Mart for closing their parking lots to overnight stays. There are some (many?) muncipalities that are banning such overnight parking practices.

Steve Foth
10 days ago
Reply to  PennyPA

The Walmart in Warrenton, OR told me the city did not allow overnighters. Could be an easy excuse too.

Carl Cavitt
10 days ago
Reply to  Steve Foth

It’s interesting that the local police will “police” Walmart for overnite RV’s but if you have a parking lot accident, the police may say sorry we don’t give don’t have jurisdiction on private property.

rvgrandma
10 days ago
Reply to  Steve Foth

That is the Walmart not long ago a couple stopped at because he was too sleepy, was going to get a few hours sleep then go on. They saw no signs saying they could not park there. The police told them to move on. Not far from the town he fell asleep at the wheel. That is sad and was unnecessary eviction.

Dr4Film
10 days ago

I no longer choose to stay at a Walmart unless it is the ONLY choice. I much prefer Sam’s Club’s, Home Depot’s, Lowe’s, church parking lots, shopping center parking lots, rest areas and a few truck stops.I have even stayed at some commuter parking lots on a weekend when not in use.

Alvin
10 days ago
Reply to  Dr4Film

Church parking lots???? YES.

We had folks visiting with a 38 foot coach with 20 foot tow. No place within a hundred miles to park this beast. On the corner coming into our community is a Lutheran Church with a massive parking lot sitting vacant -five days a week. I knocked on the door one day and the pastor came to answer. I asked him outright if there was any possibility our visitors could park on the property for three days. He had to “check” with people responsible for such decisions and he did – providing protocol & the go ahead for our friends to park their large rig in a safe, level beautiful spot for the duration of their stay. “No levellers” etc Fair.

The RV community needs someone within to organize the continents (I’m Canadian – thus continent) churches much like Boondockers Welcome organizes private citizens who welcome travellers onto their properties for short stays.
I see nothing but win win for the church, traveller, and community.

Church’s perhaps could

wally
10 days ago
Reply to  Alvin

We have, in the past, stayed in church lots through the week-always with permission. We make it a habit to leave an envelope behind with a contribution to the church, which is, I suspect, always appreciated.

STEPHEN P Malochleb
10 days ago

It’s the same for everything. The few ruin it for the many. Most Walmarts have parking lot cameras. To bad as a group we couldn’t come to some agreement with Walmart that if there is no local ordinance about parking overnite that RVers must park in an area that is monitored. Or upon entering the parking lot a vehicle plate is provided to the office. This way Walmart could watch the abusers and make them pay for cleanup or destruction. I know this opens up all sort of new obstacles but maybe some kind of solution. As RV’ers we all stock up at Wally World. Just to many out there who don’t care.

Bob
10 days ago

I worked for Walmart and Sams Club for 12 yrs as an assistant manager. Camera tapes get changed at about 7am. There is no one watching those tapes all day and night.

Brian Senecal
10 days ago

Unfortunate, but understandable if some are not respectfully using the privilege of a free night’s stay.
Brian

Sheryl Hudgins
10 days ago
Reply to  Brian Senecal

We travel back and forth to SC on the way we stay overnight at Cracker Barrel. We have found them very safe and well a great breakfast we don’t have to cook and cleanup in the morning. We always use pads to protect their lot from any damage by our interstates leveling jacks. Because CB can be found on interstates there is some noise, but if we run our generator, the road noise is negligible. Yeah, Cracker Barrel.

Monty
9 days ago
Reply to  Sheryl Hudgins

Protocol calls for not using a generator and not using leveling jacks.