When the RV dealer hands you a lemon….

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by Deanna Tolliver

Let’s say that six months ago you bought a Brand X fifth wheel from a dealer in the state where you live. From the beginning, the RV has problems. On your first trip the leveling jacks don’t operate. So you take the RV back, and they’re repaired, but your RV was in the shop for three weeks. On your very next trip, the furnace quits. You make do with a space heater, then return the RV to the dealer again. They say they need to order parts. So you’re without your RV for another two weeks (or more). So much for that upcoming vacation; better cancel the reservations.

This scenario repeats itself over the next six months, only with different problems: a slide-out leak, a decal starts to peel, a crack appears in the shower. You’ve become totally frustrated, not only with the dealer, but because you’re worried your RV is a lemon. What to do?

There are RV lemon laws in every state (Click here for a summary) but most of them are so vague that interpretation is often left to a jury. Here is Alabama’s version: “Reasonable number of repair chances or a reasonable amount of time to complete repair during warranty.” Huh? What is reasonable? Three times? Six?


And FYI:  The RV Industry Association is quick to dispatch lobbyists to any state legislature where a bill is proposed to strengthen lemon lawns to better product consumers.

First, understand that any legal action has to be initiated in the state where you bought the RV. So if you live in California but bought the RV in Arizona, you need to work with an attorney in Arizona.

I spoke with Beth Wells, a partner at the Burdge Law Office in  Dayton, Ohio. Her firm handles more RV lemon cases than any other in the nation. Her oft-repeated advice to anyone thinking of pursuing legal action because of an RV lemon is this: Check your warranty very carefully.

You need to read all the fine print. For example, you may think your warranty is good for a year, but from what date? You may think a warranty covers all parts of the RV, but you would probably be wrong. Many manufacturers limit the warranty to the work and/or parts they built or installed themselves. If your chassis was built by another company, your manufacturer will likely not cover it. Or your refrigerator. Or leveling system.

Don’t assume your warranty is good for a year. Read the fine print. Some parts of your RV may be warranted for only 90 days!

Next, gather all your repair invoices, work repair sheets, any communications you’ve had with the dealer. Call the manufacturer. Be persistent. You may get lucky and the manufacturer will contact your dealer and try to work something out. Or, you could not be lucky, and the manufacturer says you have to take your RV back to them. Oh, and by the way, they’re booked solid for four months — and ten states away from where you live.

AFTER ALL THIS, you might consider getting professional help with an attorney who specializes in RV Lemon Laws. Yes, it will cost, but it may also help bring the issue to closure. Most RV lemon cases do not go to trial; if they do, reaching a settlement can take months to years. Most cases result in a settlement, although not always for total repair or replacement. Sometimes you must settle for what you owe on your RV and any outstanding repair bills. Not what you wanted, maybe, but it gets you out from under an albatross that’s been hanging around your neck. You can take a deep breath, wash your hands of the mess, and hopefully find another RV that will not be a problem child.

Dave Angle, an attorney in Missouri, said that it is very common for most lemon law cases to be handled by out-of-state attorneys. To find an attorney experienced in RV lemon laws, you may have to do just that.

Here’s a link to a list of RV lemon law attorneys in all 50 states, provided by the Burdge Law Office. I tried contacting some of these attorneys listed and found that some of the websites weren’t always up-to-date, and some of the attorneys may help with defective vehicles, but not always RVs. If you find that to be the case, you can ask for a referral or contact the Burdge Law Firm directly (click here for a link to the website).

If you missed part one of this series last week, here’s the link.

Back to the May 12, 2018 issue of the RV Travel Newsletter.


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Dave Telenko
Dave Telenko

As with most if not ALL RV’s we had major problems. We live in California & we have great lemon laws. We got fed up & found one that didn’t have an up front cost. Actually they got there fees from the manufacture. They would get half of anything above full replacement for any compensation. Sounded great but when we finially talked to the lawyer doing the case all the above was true. BUT you couldn’t use your MH while the process took place. That could be a year or two & NO guarantee you would win. We opted out,… Read more »

Sam Lunt
Sam Lunt

Attorney that does lemon law cases has some advice that agrees with you Sally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP_u2JR51_Y

Ken
Ken

I saw, and loved, the floor plan of Thor Class A at Hershey RV Show two years ago. Watched Thor assembly video, and was impressed.
Ready to commit, but waited to do my “homework”.
After reading so many complaintsand horror stories, there is nothing that would get me to spend a dime on a Thor product!
Switched to looking for a used, high quality DP with full records. Will absolutely insist on an independent inspection before any purchase.
Ken S

Dave Telenko
Dave Telenko

Ken, I wish I had your wisdom!
Dave

Kenneth Conley
Kenneth Conley

Federal Lemon laws are much stronger, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act doesn’t care about mileage, whether it is used or new, etc, definitely the best one to use!

Captn John
Captn John

Happy I bought my last RV last year. After reading all this I may go buy a lottery ticket. I purchased my last 3 units from CW in Myrtle Beach. All 3, a Heartland, a Keystone Cougar, and a Keystone Montana HC, had minor problems repaired under warranty. They have done mods to the units and my truck as well. Only 1 warranty repair I’m not 100% satisfied, a cosmetic issue that will be addressed I AM going to buy that ticket today.

Jim Krauciunas
Jim Krauciunas

My 2015 Winnebago view had a recall on the steering wheel controls for the $1500 optional navigation system with Bluetooth handless phone. The recall involved removing this option that I paid for. Now I have inoperable buttons on my steering wheel. Winnebago told me that it was a safety issue because the system they installed was interfering with the engine control module and they don’t have to fix it with their new version because it was out of warranty. Better business bureau and attorney general investigated it and Winnebago stood firm that it is only a minor inconvenience and will… Read more »

Roy Ellithorpe
Roy Ellithorpe

Did they at least refund your $1500?

Laura
Laura

Here’s another menace: I bought my 2017 Roadtrek CS Adventurous from a dealer in Michigan. It’s been in the shop as much as it’s been on the road, and since I’m living in it full-time, that means living in RV dealers’ parking lots, waiting for parts….not the scenic, romantic life I was looking forward to! The list of repairs to both the chassis and the house grows and grows. At this moment I’ve just come from Santa Fe (STAY AWAY FROM SANTA FE RV!!!), where I spent a week sitting waiting for repairs that were not even done!!! I now… Read more »

Al in Seattle
Al in Seattle

My life lesson is: “Buy a used RV from an knowledgeable owner, who will show it to you at his or her home.” We’ve had four 10+ year old trailers. None had any issues beyond normal maintenance. We also purchased a brand new Mercedes chassis Class C. Headache after headache with zero support from the dealership. After a year, I improved the suspension, fixed all the gremlins and was able to sell it, from my home, with an absolutely clear conscience. I also told the buyers that if they found any problems with it after taking a couple of trips… Read more »

Carl
Carl

Your link to the state lemon laws didn’t work for me, tried several times.

RV Staff

Sorry you couldn’t get to it, Carl. I just tried the link and it worked fine for me. Maybe you have popups blocked on your computer or whatever you’re looking at? Here’s the link again, if you want to try clicking on it from here: https://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/lemon-laws/vehicle-type/rv/find-yo/ Or search for ohiolemonlaw.com and you’ll get to the Burge Law Office website which has the lemon law information listed by vehicle type, and then you can search by state. Good luck! —Diane at RVtravel.com

Mike Sokol

One of the best things I taught my children was how to work on and fix things. So they can easily change car tires and do their own tire rotation. My one son pulled the head on his Honda Civic to replace a burned exhaust valve. My twin boys replaced the starter on a Saturn and fixed a troublesome electrical problem. And they mostly do their own oil changes, check fluid levels, and change brake pads, etc… Of course, I supervised most of this, especially when they were really young. But now they know how to learn what must be… Read more »

Jim
Jim

I just love the Insurance commercial where the lady is so proud of her Insurance company for doing what her HELPLESS teenage son could not do. CHANGE A FLAT TIRE. A young woman I could understand, but, a young man, I would be ASHAMED of. He is what we would call a SISSY in my time.

Mike Sokol

I know there’s lots of additional distractions nowadays compared to growing up in the 60’s, but by the time I was 16 years old I already had several years experience driving my dad’s jeep through the woods, mowing the lawn on a big riding mower, spreading manure with a full size tractor on a dairy farm as a summer job, etc… Basically, if it had a motor and wheels I wanted to drive it. Same for fixing things. Everyone would give me their broken stereos, radios, speakers, lawn mower engines, etc… If I could fix it, I could keep it… Read more »

Bob S.
Bob S.

Before my daughters got their licenses, I fought them how to check oil, etc. and how change a tire.
One became a state trooper and changed many tires. The other daughter knows more about cars than her husband does and doesn’t let repair shops BS her!

MikeJ
MikeJ

My daughter wasn’t allowed to get her drivers license until she could change a tire.

Marcia Bliss
Marcia Bliss

We purchased a 2017 Dynamax Isata 5 in Sept. of 2017 only to find our there are no service centers in our area that can handle our chassis. We had to find an independent service center and get permission from Dodge to have it serviced pay for the repairs and submit to bill to a casemanager for reimbursement. We were told any Dodge service center could handle it. We just went through 2 recall repairs and are waiting for reimbursement. We have to take the documentation to a service center to get the service repair documented that is has been… Read more »

Jim
Jim

Morning, Just a thought and would like to hear others. Hire an independent RV tech. Tell the dealer no deal until your tech goes over the unit and gives his OK. No money laid out to the dealer without a WRITTEN CONTRACT stating this. Also, no more than a few hundred dollars to them. Finally, make deal dependant on the dealer paying you techs fees. This way, quite possibly the dealer may want to make a sale.

Joe Mueller
Joe Mueller

Thank you for posting this article. I don’t know of ANY RVers who haven’t had significant issues with the quality of their RV’s. RV manufacturers won’t be motivated under the current administration to listen to consumers unless we continue to make our issues public and impact their sales. Interestingly, several months ago you published a letter from a reader who whined and complained about your (truthful) articles about problems within the RV industry. His letter suggested that he wanted to hear only glowing (false) reports. It made me wonder if his income didn’t depend on RV sales. Keep reporting on… Read more »

Dick and Sandy
Dick and Sandy

A quick look at many of the various state RV Lemon laws shows the words “CHASSIS ONLY”. What that means is that the LIVING PORTION of the RV is NOT COVERED by the lemon law. Unfortunately, that is where the great majority of the problems are located and are not subject to the lemon law leaving the buyer out in the cold. That needs to be changed so that the majority of the problems can be covered. However, the RV industry lobby has managed to keep the CHASSIS ONLY provisions intact and will obviously continue that practice.

Chuck Woodbury

Dick and/or Sandy, We will continue our efforts to put pressure on manufacturers to turn out better products and for dealers to fix any problems they can identify before the coach leaves the lot. As far as lemon laws, if RVers with RVs that cannot be used for months on end due to problems with their coach then we will continue to make it easy for them to find a lawyer who will step in.

Margaret B.
Margaret B.

I’m so glad you are covering this issue as I am going through the worst consumer process of my life. My husband and I purchased a 2012 THOR ACE and loved our RV but sadly he passed away from a massive heart attack in 2014 while out buying my Valentines Day flowers. I did go away in the RV a few times after he passed but found it very painful not to have him there so I decided to trade my RV in at the 2017 Seattle RV show and there my hell began. I purchased another brand new 2017… Read more »

Chuck Woodbury

Margaret, if I were you I would contact one of the lawyers we listed in our story. It sure sounds like you have a definitive “lemon.”
Best of luck to you. It must be terribly frustrating (and maddening) to be in your position.

Chuck

Booneyrat
Booneyrat

After buying a new Grand Design Reflection fifth wheel at the dealer in Pasco,Washington last year I discovered a list of problems too numerous to list here…contacting the dealer for repairs was futile..but they did have a mediator who offered $50 to pacify me…really? Buyer beware of any grand Design product as their so called”three PDI” claim is a racket to get your money.The entire RV industry has a quality control problem and most manufacturers,and dealers, could care less after the sale.

Jeff
Jeff

You are so correct. I have been RVing for nearly 17 years and My Wife and I are on our 8th RV. It is imperative to point out, that in today RV Industry, you (the owner) need to become an RV Mechanic in your own right. Having to deal with dealerships is a total joke, knowing that they have UN-Skilled and very incompetent people working on these expensive rigs. As an example. I just replaced the Water Pump on my REDWOOD. I had to remove a large panel to get to the Pump. It was a relatively easy fix. But,… Read more »

Ed Killgore
Ed Killgore

Jeff, I couldn’t agree more. The first thing a newbie should buy is a complete set of tools and a toolbox because he’s going to need them!

Frustrated Consumer
Frustrated Consumer

Had my trailer worked on by a “reputable” company. Had a wobbly wheel and took it in. They worked on it. The next time I took it out, the wheel fell off and rolled past me on the road. They tried to blame me for that. Had back up camera wiring installed in my RV. They ran and spliced wires incorrectly. These problems are not just in RV’s. It’s true of homes now. Had a big name national company install a roof on my home and they ruined my home. Leaks everywhere and much more. As a side note, beware… Read more »

sally hansen
sally hansen

Jeff, So So true. I would even go so far as to say, at this point, one not even remotely consider buying any kind of RV unless they have more than basic skills set and are mechanically inclined enough to ready through it, they are willing to invest in tools needed to get the job done properly, and-they take it seriously. because you can seriously DIE if things are not doen right in an RV. The best person for the job is the owner, themselves, because they have the most to loose, the techs at CW do not care. This… Read more »