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New regulations in 2024 may leave some RVs without built-in generators

Last year, California took a step that riled plenty of RVers. A new California Air Resources Board (CARB) rule essentially hit the off-switch on RV generators. While not outright banning small (less than 25 horsepower) generators, the state severely tightened emissions restrictions. The reaction was quick. The lynchpin of the RV generator industry, Cummins, announced it would no longer sell LP and gas-fired Cummins generators in California after the end of 2023. The backlash was swift. RV industry talking heads issued immediate warnings. If the regulations stuck, the RV industry would lose a million dollars in sales in the Golden State in the first year alone. So what’s the latest on this from Cummins?

Back-down on posturing?

Last week, the company released a short statement, “On impact of California regulations.” It seems Cummins generators will be available in California—and elsewhere—after all. Referring back to their earlier stand that the company would simply stop selling RV generators for California consumption, the big “juice maker” company now says this: “As stated in a letter sent to RV industry partners and customers, Cummins immediately began evaluating potential options to meet the new emissions standards outlined by CARB. At that time, we transparently communicated the challenges involved and stated we would not have any spark-ignited products available for sale in California by January 1, 2024.”

Perhaps it was Cummins’ way of pressuring California regulators to cut some slack and make concessions. In the months that have passed since that volley was fired, there have been no further shots. Instead, in its January 10, 2023 statement, Cummins’ change in posture is made clear: “With significant investment in product development, we now intend to take a phased approach to release a portfolio of CARB SORE compliant products in early 2024.” SORE is CARB’s acronym for Small Off-Road Engine regulations. While those regulations have certainly made some RVers pretty “sore” (as shown by the huge number of comments we’ve seen), it was apparently enough to get Cummins generators into a new technological realm.

Cummins generators play coy

We asked a Cummins representative just how this will all play out. And just what RVers can expect to see rolling out of the factory. Cummins is playing coy. It told us that it will, “have a number of generators that will be able to meet CARB regulations.” You—and the RV industry—will be able to keep buying the current crop of Cummins generators until late in 2023. Evidently that includes Onan QG 2500i, Onan QG 2800i, Onan QG 3600, Onan QG 4000, Onan QG 5500 and Onan QG 7000 models. But come the end of this year, it sounds like these units will be gone. Gone, at least in their current technology incarnation. What will replace them? Cummins wouldn’t say, only telling us that, “More information will be coming.”

The Cummins representative did tell us that the company has been working closely with the California regulators to ensure their new generation of small generators will meet CARB/SORE regulations. We heard nothing in terms of price points. But if the history of emission controls on passenger vehicles is any indicator, be prepared to pay more. A report published by the Air & Waste Management Association, a non-profit group, looked at the cost impact of air pollution equipment on cars manufactured in 1990. That report shows that emissions controls tacked on an average of $745 to the price consumers paid for cars. That amounted to a 3.5% cost increase.

How much will you pay?

Will you pay as a little as that for the new SORE-compliant generators? Only time will tell. Another thing to watch for will be just how the “bugs are worked out” in the new technology. The path to relatively trouble-free pollution control equipment in cars and light trucks is littered with breakdowns and unhappy drivers. We’ll hope the new Cummins generators will have fewer birth and growing pains.


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Cancelproof
15 days ago

Sorry Sven, I lost track of the question at hand in all this excitement.

So your saying I should put you down as a YES on banning the sale of gas powered generators in a State that has regular electricity blackouts, while mandating the sale of all electric vehicles that may occasionally require an emergency charge as a result of increased blackouts as a result of charging the millions of electric vehicles.

OK. Your down as a YES.

I REST MY CASE.

Cancelproof
15 days ago

REPLY TO SVEN YOHNSON

Sven, I had to reread your posts a couple if times to see what this old pea brained country boy was missing and then boom it occurred to me that YOU SVEN, had made my point. No wonder I was confused.
It is no longer 1976, woohoo. In the half century that has passed since that youthful time in the greenish brown air of Southern California we have reduced smog by 90% in LA but doubled the number of automobiles. The polar ice caps are increasing in area and the great barrier feet is expanding. Our fresh water is the cleanest it has been in 50 years, the oceans are recovering at an exponential rate. The freakin glaciers have stopped receeding and some are growing. We did it. We fixed the planet already. At the very least, we have stopped destroying it and it is now recovering, (Save that little conflict in Europe we pay for).
To be continued, but thanks again for making my point. Your a pal.

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Hi Sven (hi diane)
So to the point of the article we had all been referencing.
Do you see a problem with the following:
1. State mandates selling only electric vehicle in a State that currently has electrical black outs.
2. Here’s an idea, let’s also ban selling gas generators too that way in an emergency, say maybe a blackout emergency, people have no way to top up the charge on the car to get to a hospital.

Now those are the California ideas that keep people like me laughing. Keep those rock solid ideas and that comical material coming Gavin.

I will address the other issue I have with yiur post tomorrow.

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

G’morning Sven, so take the fact the planet has healed so much and be a rational pragmatic citizen for a minute. How about we just put the next 10 or 20 Trillion dollars of or children’s debt on hold. Let’s take a beat and see if the healing trend continues. We’ve all come a long ways on this journey at great expense. FYI: the hole in the ozone is closing too and has been fir over a decade. For the climate hustlers we can’t stop and embrace the vixtory. Without the catastrphization and the fear with screams of a dying planet, the industry of climate catastrophe would end and thats a lot if trillions.
The planetary solution for which you offer none is as follows. Make oil as cheap and available as possible so the developing countries can DEVELOP. With modern infrastructure that is built on cheap oil and LNG, those nations can also reduce coal burning power plants. The cheap energy allows in a generation or 2 for a middle class to grow. You know, feed the hungry, cloth the poor kind of stuff. Turn Bangladesh into a wealthy country and do the same for another 100 countries. Watch emissions fall on a global scale.

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

And lastly, Sven: if I mention chicken soup in a post I am not assuming to speak for everyone who has ever eaten chicken soup. Your jump to me not speaking for you is nuts. I am however speaking for a lot of people that have been silenced. Some are in a demo that have been referred to as ‘clinging to bibles and guns’ Obama, deplorables “Hillary”, and Dirty Walmart Shoppers on CNN.
Get yourself a book titled ‘Rules For Radicals’ . It is a favorite of Eric Holder. It discusses the strategy of using dehumanization to end debate. I see the term ‘gummint’ as a part of that strategy, intended or not. Or just call people rascists (though, I have never seen it here) and that will end the conversation. Making people sub-human means you don’t have to acknowledge their ideas or opinions because they are, well, sub-human. I speak for myself but as a part of 100,000,000 citizens that have seen the FBI pay over $3 million twitter to censor FACTUAL speech. I do not reach for vulgarity in an effort to disparage you. I welcome your reply to all of what I say but hope we can keep the subject of the primary article on the periphery at the least. You came in hot on me, not the other way around.

Last edited 15 days ago by Cancelproof
Sven Yohnson
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

I rest my case.

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

And yet, no solutions to offer. Just another Equity warrior. Your path is to make us more equal with Bangladesh instead if making Bangladesh more equal with us. Lower our quality of life instead of raising theirs. You live in a zero sum game world where no one improves unless someone is diminished first. Your world exists with one pie and if someone else gets more pie, you get less pie. Instead of sharing the same pie, let’s just bake another pie. Pretty Radical huh? It sure would be shame if the biggest polluters on the planet became modernized using cheap LNG supplied by the USA. That whole Peace and Prosperity thing is way over rated. We’re much better with a war in Europe living on the brink of nuclear war once again.
So short-sighted. God bless.

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Pammy
15 days ago

Yay! I HATE noisy smelly generators. And it won’t hurt my feelings if some of these folks who just can’t live without their TVs or whatever else they’re running in their behemoth RVs can no longer come to my beautiful state. Please just go elsewhere.

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Pammy

Refreshingly honest.

Cancelproof
15 days ago

This won’t be a problem for the California Crazies that have one of those fancy Solar Generators discussed last week. Free power. The ones that run on sunlight. The Crazies that think sunlight is “fuel” for power generation. The ones that don’t understand that sunlight is the product of actual fuel. By fuel I mean the burning ball of fire in the sky that is burning,…. wait for it…. gas or ‘Gasses’.
Speaking of burning balls of gas in the sky, is there a chance it could be affecting the climate? No, probably not. However, if it is, all we need to do is turn to the California RV geniuses for a solution on turning the sun up or down like the thermostat in our RVs.

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Diane McGovern
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Why did Jerry Lee Lewis pop into my head when I read your comment, Cancelproof? 😆 –Diane at RVtravel.com

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Diane McGovern

Lol.

Cancelproof
16 days ago

Notice how the L****** Left G***** guys all go quiet when confronted with logic, facts and opinions that do not conform with the catastrophizing grift of the left. They throw out some insults first thing in the morning and then get quiet like a napping *****. If they had a cogent argument, they could and should make it but they do not. Winners win the day by having a winning idea. It is why EQUITY is so important and why they want you censored. It is easier to silence opinions they disagree with than it is to win an argument with facts and logic. Equity is for losers. Equality is for winners. Don’t be silent a minute longer. When Facts and truth are your currency, your already winning. Pointing out idiocy is not an insult.

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Diane McGovern
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

And name-calling gets bleeped here. Take it elsewhere, please, Cancelproof, Chuck, Other Chuck, and whatever else you’re going by. You may be “Cancelproof” but you’re not Bleepproof. Just sayin’. –Diane at RVtravel.com

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Diane McGovern

Oh Diane. Lunatic? Goomba? Bith are widely used vernacular for hundreds of years. Tell me your not part of the censorship crew. Say it’s not so.
Just sayin’

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Diane McGovern
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Ah, but it is so, Cancelproof. If I didn’t bleep some stuff, the whole comment would get trashed by one of the other moderators. I get in trouble from them for being too lenient, actually. If it were up to me, I’d let you all bash each other as much as you want. Some of your comments sound like one of our previous commentors that eventually got blocked, to the point I sometimes wonder if you’re him. And when you mention “Goomba” we both know you’re talking about one of our commenters, not just throwing that out there because the term has been around for “hundreds of years.” Anyway, yeah. Big Sister is watching. Just sayin’. 🙄 Have a good night, whoever you are. 😀 –Diane at RVtravel.com

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Diane McGovern

You make me smile a truly wide smile Diane and nope, I’m not that guy. I’ll try and keep the color inside the lines. I have been testing the system a little.
Good night big sister.

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Diane McGovern
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Thanks, Cancelproof. I’m glad you’re not “that guy.” I’m not the one who blocked him, but he was a bit much and just loved to stir up trouble without really having anything worthwhile to contribute to the discussion. But you do, so I’m glad about that. (Love your email address, BTW!) Like I’ve mentioned to our Chuck, as opposed to one of your handles, I work 28/7/365, which includes watching the incoming comments. So, if it feels like someone is watching over your shoulder, you’ll know who it is. 😉 Take care. 😀 –Diane aka Big Sister aka Mountain Mama (my favorite nickname)

John
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

I remember when the only words that would be censored were true “curse words”, you know, like George Carlin’s list of 7 words. Now I see, esp on Yahoo, them censor idiot or moron and a myriad of other types of words that are a far cry from “curse words”. What has this world become?

B N S
16 days ago
Reply to  Diane McGovern

Let Him Speak Clear Truth, Diane 🙂

B N S
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Excellent! Well Said…

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  B N S

Peace, love and FACTS. That’s all we have to work with. Win the day with words and facts or lose the day to fantasy and falsity. You know they are losing the argument when they refer to those they disagree with as uneducated hillbillies through insults like “gummint” “freedum”, instead if embracing the conversation with facts they offer only insults. If you don’t speak using similar cadence, annunciation and the acceptable sentence structure of the Coastal Elites, your opinion doesn’t matter. It is a debate technique used by middle schoolers but the insult is directed at 10s of millions of Americans that live between the rockies and the Delaware River. The dirty hands Americans. The Bible reading Americans. Common sence Americans. Drive a truck Americans. Run a backhoe Americans.
How’s that Diane? 👍or👎

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Diane McGovern
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Good morning, Cancelproof. (Well, it’s still morning where I am, anyway.) So, you’re putting down those who put others down? And disagreeing with those you disagree with you? Hmmm. Too much for this old brain to sort out, but your comment is staying “as is” for others to comment on, if they’re so inclined. Have a great day! 😀 –Diane at RVtravel.com

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Diane McGovern

I’m not putting anyone down Diane. I’m pointing out a strategy generally employed by a middle school debate team. Letting someone know the strategy they employ brings nothing but laughter from anyone over 40 is purely in an attempt to get others to up their game, if they can. My technique ion the other hand is to welcome debate through robust conversation. The middle school strategy employed is to silence the conversation by implying the people with an opposing view are just not smart enough or savvy enough to comprehend the scope so why even give those Neanderthals the courtesy of simple dignity.

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Diane McGovern

Disagreement is science. Disagreeing is not an insult, it is an invitation. Without disagreement Columbus would have stayed home. BTW, Columbus would have been an RVer. No such thing as “settled science” or we would still only have 7 planets in our solar system. If someone is insulted because of disagreement, that’s on them. Now that we have established I have insulted no one in that post, and put no one down in that post (other posts maybe) you too can disagree with that but I have not insulted you and I hope you feel I have not insulted you. Feeling insulted is not being insulted. It would hurt my heart if you thought that I was insulting you.
Gotta run. Have a great day.

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Diane McGovern
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

It’s all good, Cancelproof. (Would have responded sooner but was at the dentist getting my pearly whites cleaned.) Take care. 😀 –Diane at RVtravel.com

Sven Yohnson
15 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Cancelproof, As a general practice I do not engage individuals of your level of intellect, but I will make an exception in your case. It is obvious in your ramblings that you seek confrontation and argument, rather than constructive debate. Have you ever considered entering politics?
I am a Midwest, farm raised, blue collar, Bible Believing, common sense American Veteran.
YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME.
As for the new CARB rules which have tightened emission restrictions on ALL internal combustion engines sold in the state of California; if it helps the environment, I’m all for it.
I spent the summer of 1976 in Riverside, CA. During my five month visit I rarely saw the surrounding San Bernardino mountains, due to the smog that was so prevalent in SoCal at the time. I recall similar arguments against unleaded gas, catalytic converters, and any efforts to reduce vehicle emissions.
Fortunately the “California Crazies” as you call them, won that battle.
To be continued.

Sven Yohnson
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

I have revisited Southern California a number of times in the ensuing years, and have been amazed at the smog reduction despite the number of registered vehicles more than doubling in the past 47 years (14.3M in 1976 vs 29.8M in 2022) FACT.
I hate to imagine what the current conditions would be without the regulations and enforcements of the past 50+ years. But the war isn’t over.
MOST RV’ers are environmentally conscious and concerned individuals. Unfortunately there are the “Cousin Eddies” amongst us who believe the world is their personal toilet, and landfill, and will run their non-compliant, 100+ decibel, oil burning generator when and where they dam* well please, in the name of “personal rights and freedom”. Neighbors be dam*ed!
To be continued…

Sven Yohnson
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

Cancelproof,
In closing; there is an old idiom credited to President Abraham Lincoln (GREATER than #45), which you may want to consider.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt”.
And to also quote you; “Pointing out idiocy is not an insult”.
And You sir, are an *****!

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Diane McGovern
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

And you, Sven, just got bleeped because we don’t allow name-calling here. (If I made the rules, I’d let you slam each other all you wanted, but then we’d be just like a lot of social media and we prefer to be more civil than a lot of the stuff on there.) Like I mentioned to Cancelproof, “Big Sister” is watching. 😉 Have a good night. 🙂 –Diane at RVtravel.com

Sven Yohnson
15 days ago
Reply to  Diane McGovern

Apparently my self-censorship wasn’t adequate. 😉
My apologies.

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Diane McGovern
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

😆 Adding an asterisk in a word is “self-censorship”? That might have gotten it past our filter, but it didn’t work with me. No problem. I just hear about it if stuff slips by, so they don’t let me be as lenient (or is it lazy, maybe?) as I would otherwise be. If the other moderators get tired of bleeping comments that the filters didn’t automatically bleep, they’ll just get to the point where they’ll block someone, and that’s the end of that. Just trying to keep y’all in line, is all. I have more important work to do here than refereeing commenters who are bashing each other, no matter how they might word it. Have a good night. 😀 –Diane at RVtravel.com

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

Indeed. What wonderful progress has been made. Maybe they can figure out potholes, homelessness, Fentanyl and murders, all if which are at 40 year highs before we trust them to figure out planetary climate repairs. Sky’s may be clear especially if you are standing on a stack bodies.

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

As we both quote great leaders, I am reminded of something Winston Churchill said, correctly attributable or not it goes like this; “If you are young and Republican, you don’t have a heart. If your old and a Democrat you don’t have a brain”. You sir, seem to have good brain though. Crisp and concise thoughts. Welcome to the Party

Cancelproof
15 days ago
Reply to  Sven Yohnson

Perhaps next year you can spend your summer in Bangladesh or the Philipines and see those yellow brown skies once again and the damage that limiiting progress of other nations can cause. Just because your sky’s are blue and clear, we are dealing on a planetary scale including hunger. Much if that hunger is caused by climate czars limiting 1st world farming in 3rd world countries. So yes, I agree and am happy you and I enjoy the beautiful life that first world living has provided you with our abundance. Now that we live 1st world life, is it fair we come up with laws that keep others down?

Gary
16 days ago

So just equip each Kalifornia RV as “generator ready” and lower the price accordingly. Then all a buyer has to do is travel to a neighboring state Onan service center, buy the appropriate generator at a discount, and have it installed. Why not?

Chuck
16 days ago
Reply to  Gary

After market sales have a higher profit margin for CUMMINS too. That’ll really make the woke foke mad. Profiteering at the planets expense. Call A.G. Garland. He’ll help us.

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Gary

If you think the word “carbon” makes the doomsday climate kooks angry, wait till they hear the words ” higher profit” in a Free Market and that the enemy is getting rich as a result of the planet saving policies they forced on us. I predict tomato soup will be flying at every art gallery across the land. Gretta Thumborg will sail once again to our homeland and set us straight.

B N S
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Outstanding “Truth”, Cancelproof!!

Michael
17 days ago

How many people that are wanting generators and any other small engines band from the world have gold and silver fashion statements? Do they know how much destruction to the environment it causes? They first normally remove trees, then they dig up the earth. This uses many gallons of diesel fuel which heavily pollutes the air. They need to look at how THEY are effecting the world before forcing others to sacrifice. Just saying. Tired of tree huggers.

Chuck
17 days ago
Reply to  Michael

Nailed the landing.

Cancelproof
17 days ago

On the Brightside:
The doomsday climate crazies have stopped raising babies, it’s bad for planet. If all the climate doomsday kooks adopt the one child or hopefully a No child policy of the old CCP, we can save humanity more quickly. #Silverlinings

Cancelproof
17 days ago

As I read the many comments below it appears that 90% of the posts are well thought out and obviously come from highly intelligent, well informed and thoughtful people. The other 10% appear to signal virtuous characteristics using emotional non-fact based arguments. Men can be highly emotional creatures too so do not judge ‘gubmint loving’ ‘Freedum hating’ too harshly. He is obviously a very sensitive such person. Some people need to be lead and looked after by Gov’t and will always follow blindly.
Peace and much love to you all from everyone that lives life Cancelproof.

Thomas D
17 days ago

We, the general public have to abide by whatever rules the government gives us,but money and lawyers talk.
Airlines burn thousands of gallons of fuel each day. There are no pollution control’s on jet engines. The pollution most likely stays ” up there” were sunlight can’t penetrate easily. Then eventually falls as acid rain. I saw a docu the other day from the south pole. Just wondered where do the stations get electricity. No water falls no natural gas don’t see windmills nor solar panels. Btw its dark half the year so they won’t work too well. Diesel, thats where. I wonder if they have all the gobbledygook we have to use on our trucks?

Cancelproof
17 days ago
Reply to  Thomas D

Exactly. John Kerry bestows his virtue onto us all flying private in a false gesture touting his effort to save the planet. If he signals his virtue loud enough he sleeps better. Apply that virtue to South pole. They are only burning all that diesel in a effort to save the planet. The benefit will surely out way the damage. VIRTUE SIGNAL.

Goomba by the same token sleeps better as a result of that same type of virtue signaling. It is not limited to the ruling class.

Joe
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

In 2021 118 private jets flew into the climate conference in Sun valley Idaho causing a backup of air traffic for hundreds of miles around Sun Valley, Idaho.

in 2022 about 400 jets flew into Sun Valley for the conference.

Last year, 2022 at the World Economic Forum over 1,040 jets flew in for the week long conference in Davos Switzerland. 53% flew under 466 mile, 38% were under 310, and the shortest was 13 miles.

In this year 2023 over 1,000 private jets flew into Davos Switzerland for the World Economic Forum. It is calculated that private jet emissions Quadrupled during these periods.

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe

Obviously they don’t really think that Carbon gasses are a problem I guess. The ocean must be boiling for some other reason Mr. Gore. Someone, please show me where on this planet the ocean is boiling and while doing so, explain to me why the polar ice cap grew the past few years.
Virtuous rulers.

B N S
16 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Boom! Its is SO refreshing to see “Debate” here on RVT!

Eric Young
17 days ago

Regulations from non-elected civil servants. This needs to become law from the state legislature so we know who is voting for this stuff and can hold them responsible. Regulations being shoved down people’s throats is not democracy!

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Eric Young

You state the biggest and most egregious offense to the American Voter. Unelected Beaurocrats with no mandate from the people and no authority within the constitution to do a thing. Legislation needs to stay with legislators.

David Landry
17 days ago

Yes EVERYONE is for reduced emissions, from all sources. But a focus on the big polluters will be more well received. Do a search on pollution from cargo ships, importing almost “everything” from across the world way by ship, then by trucks or what ever a HUGE pollution issue. Immediate worries about a generator on a RV should be far down the list of pollution sources to be addressed.

Joe
16 days ago
Reply to  David Landry

My cousins husband at one time worked onboard a ship that sailed up and down the Atlantic way out in international waters burning diesel fuel mixed with hazardous waste in its boilers. The boilers heated the water turning it to steam to turn a turbine. He died of cancer about 10 years ago.

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe

Once upon a time, long long ago, a dark time, before the discovery of oil and its many wonderful uses. It was a time of 500,000 planet wide weather related deaths per year. A time when running from a storm literally meant running from a storm at 3 mph with a child under each arm. It was a time of darkness, even with a wood burning fire. A time of soot and smoke, of coughing and early death for all. A time when 50 years was a long life. Then old Jed discovered oil. In the years that followed we reduced weather related deaths to under 15,000 for the planet. We could find the storms days in advance and then run away from at 60mph. We could light way for our journey. We could fire up a freakin grill and have a lunch while watching the storm on the weather Channel before the NASCAR Race. Thank God for Oil. Oil for all. Oil is the answer, not the problem. Work it out.
The End

Gary
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe

Anecdotal. You don’t know what caused his cancer.

Joe
16 days ago
Reply to  Gary

Nope however 10+ years of handling hazardous waste could not help the situation. Just saying

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe

And it may not have hurt the situation.

Bob M
16 days ago
Reply to  David Landry

This summer when I was camping at Lake Erie. I saw for the 1st time a cargo ship start up and pass by me. Could’t believe how much black soot was shooting out of the exhaust. How about the pollution going into the air from the war in Ukraine. You don’t hear the tree huggers complaining about that.

Joe
16 days ago
Reply to  Bob M

Just to think that the US exports most of our oil out of the country due to not have the proper refineries to process our light, sweet oil. Most of our refineries are geared towards heavier and higher sulfur content oil such as from the Middle East and also Russia. From an environmental standpoint it does not make much sense to ship it thousands of miles by ships burning the oil that they are shipping. From an economic standpoint it makes sense due to our cost to pump it (lifting cost) are higher due to environmental regulations, permitting, wages, and other costs.

Joe
17 days ago

This is a big issue for people living in California however the bigger issue for all of us that is laying on the horizon is the ban on new gas stoves in California, New York, and what it looks like with the Federal Government. This will only be followed with new sales of gas furnaces, hot water heaters including repair by replacement and etc (California already has plans for them) . If all of this comes about nationwide which I have no doubt it will, the RV industry as a whole will be hard pressed to make changes. An all electric appliance RV will demand a lot more power than the average small unit with a 30 amp power system, many RV parks will be looking at upgrading which will effect nightly cost and possibly the existence of some parks.

Joe Goomba
17 days ago

Whaaa, boo hoo. Mean ‘ol gummint trying to help the planet and it’s people. Impeedin’ my freedum! We gotta let them big ‘ol corporations do whatever they want, freedum!

Lonewolf
17 days ago
Reply to  Joe Goomba

Joe, it’s not about your slang “freedum”! It’s about the availability of current technology to supply the energy needs of this country. The Socialist elites from places like CA want us to go back to horse and buggy and defer our country to third-world status. Do you think China or Russia gives a rat’s behind about how they power their countries?

Just about everyone has some concern in one way or the other about our environment. However, when you get regulations shoved down our throats by non-elected hacks such as the CARB board before technology has caught up to the needs of keeping us the most powerful and advanced nation in the world, people will get riled up.

Bob
17 days ago
Reply to  Lonewolf

You are what’s wrong with this country. All California and other environmentally conscious people are trying to do is to try to save the planet for our children and grandchildren. If California did not change the regulations nothing would have changed. Now we will have cleaner generators,and hopefully less noise. Sometimes you have to push companies to change for the better and they usually do. That’s American ingenuity.

Cancelproof
17 days ago
Reply to  Bob

When I heard how painful the recovery from the 50% brain refuction surgery was going to be I decided to just stay Republican.

Tom
17 days ago
Reply to  Cancelproof

Can’t have a reduction if nothing there to begin with.

Gary
16 days ago
Reply to  Bob

The planet doesn’t need “saving”. Smh.

Bob M
16 days ago
Reply to  Bob

With the push for electric cars by California. You’ll now have noise pollution from the backup alarms and while your coasting down the road it’ll sound like a space ship. I told my wife the other day about her KIA hybrid sounding like a space ship coasting by the house. She told me my F150 hybrid does the same. When I go hunting, I can’t back into my property fearing I’d scare the deer. Now I find out it sounds like a space ship pulling in.

Lonewolf
16 days ago
Reply to  Bob

Bob, sorry that I wholeheartedly can’t disagree with you more. California does not represent the whole country. You and the Socialists who live there are aligned with the same types, not from NYS, but only the power elites of New York City and the Pacific Northwest.

One does not have to be a rocket scientist to realize CA’s pollution problem is it is overcrowded, lacks substantial public transportation, AND right up your alley, the trade winds blow West to East, right up against the many mountains ranges from North to South. Every part of the country has its location issue and smog is just one of yours for living in a vacuum.

Cancelproof
16 days ago
Reply to  Lonewolf

Accurate assessment Lonewolf.

Perhaps these few items should be addressed within Dystopia-fornia before professing more virtue by trying to fix the entire planet:
Ca. Homelessness at 40 year highs.
Fentanyl crisis on your streets makes California the dystopia it currently is.
Crime at 40 year highs.
Inflation at 40 year highs.
Gas at 7.00/gal. Plus
Plus, plus,plus.

So, possibly learn to fix a local pothole in CALIFORNIA and then maybe, just maybe, once you have pothole repairs up to a 51% success rate you can take a crack at global issues. I mean 51% is a passing grade or do you need the bar a little lower?

Cancelproof
17 days ago
Reply to  Joe Goomba

The real issue I take with your statement Joe is you saying “trying to help”. Yes, they try and because the issue they see thru the high powered scope is singular, they seldom take into account the unintended consequences of that rule and the damage it causes. It is shortsighted almost every time.

Hypothetical: 2040, the power goes out at dinner time because demand is so high (lectric stoves cooking and evs charging) that everyone has a black market generator in the closet so they can finish cooking on just such an evening.

Can you think of any problems that may come up running gas powered generators in the living room of an apartment?

Ken
17 days ago

CARB. This started as a “board” in 1967 that has now turned into a socialist state department that controls so many things that are beyond the notorious LA Smog for which it was created. Yes I remember the smog. Now CARB runs the state and runs out businesses. Everything from auto emissions, lawnmowers, chimneys, wood stoves, barbecue grills, auto windows, auto dashboards, to cow farts. Who was governor in 67? Reagan. Go figure.

steve
17 days ago

CARB wins again and will keep on winning until someone stands up to them. Wish Cummins had more backbone but I’m sure it is all about the $$$.

Bob M
17 days ago

People cry about what California does, but they still vote the same politicians in office. Our government is on a role to take our rights away. 1st it’s the push for elect cars, than generators and now gas stoves. Whats next? I was stationed while in the Air Force in California and was offered a job there when I got out. Glad I wasn’t dumb enough to accept the job and left. Wake up America.

Uncle Swags
17 days ago

This legislation sounds like a violation of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution which is designed to prevent states from enacting such rules when they are not in the national interest. Nothing coming out of California has been in the nation’s interest from politics to entertainment and this is no surprise.

Seann Fox
17 days ago

******fornia the land of rolling blackouts because they don’t have enough electricity to power A/C units or EV’s. What’s next? Banning campfires?

Tom E
17 days ago

California, America’s SMOG capital, is continuing to push for the complete elimination internal combustion engines in the state – going all electric. Well, they haven’t got the available electric power supply to “fuel” this. Much of California’s electric is imported – and much of that from Mexico, who by the way burns natural gas to generate California’s electric. So when some fool Joe Shmoe head’s out on that over-congested California freeway, they’re being propelled by electric imported from Mexico. And they think they’re “green”. They don’t know what the source of that electric is, no more than that burger or cheese comes from cows and the wheat buns come from wheat grown on farms in the mid-west where farmers use diesel tractors to grow and harvest that wheat and diesel powered 18 wheelers deliver all those goods to California. And now they go after a few generators? Madness. Pure ignorant madness. Oh, and I was born in California. I’ve only been back to visit once in the last 50.

Wayne Caldwell
17 days ago
Reply to  Tom E

I left Fresno when I enlisted in ’72. Haven’t lost nor missed anything.

Tom
17 days ago
Reply to  Wayne Caldwell

not much there to miss.

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