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Can you plug a friend’s RV into yours to charge his batteries?

By Chris Dougherty
Certified RV technician

Dear Chris,
I am a new RVer and have a new Class C motorhome which we purchased this spring. I have a friend that my wife and I boondock with and as fall comes on, his ability to recharge his fifth wheel batteries by solar panel becomes troublesome due to cloudiness or just plain ol’ reduction in daylight hours. My coach has a 5000-watt generator. Which begs the question: Is it possible for me to run my generator and charge his batteries using heavy-gauge extension cords, just as if he were plugged in at home? If so, would I charge from an outside outlet on the exterior of my coach or from the main source plug (not sure what the official name is, but the one that I would use to plug into shore power with)? —Larry and Becky

Dear Larry and Becky,
When you’re running your generator your shore power cord is disconnected through the transfer switch and will do nothing (provided you have a transfer switch…some coaches don’t.). Plugging him into the exterior outlet on your coach is just fine, as long as he realizes he can’t run much on it. If all you’re doing is giving him enough power to operate the converter/charger then that’s fine. The extension cord you use should be rated heavy enough to handle 15 or 20 amps for the distance you’re going. As long as the cord is adequate, the worst thing that can happen from a load standpoint is you’ll blow the breaker if he draws too much.

Bagging sewer waste to prevent tank fill-up?

By Russ and Tiña De Maris

Being an occasional “follower” of various RV discussion groups – forums, if you will – we run across some, shall we say, interesting subjects. No doubt there’s plenty of chatter about the best tow service, clever hints for how to prepare quick meals, and the perennial favorite of what’s the best holding tank treatment. Poop is big on RV forums, and you just can’t seem to get anywhere on a forum without stepping right into it.

garbage-738Which brings us to the point. For those who boondock regularly, a favorite question is how to be able to stay out on the boonies for as long as possible without having to come back to civilization. The big problem for most is holding tank capacity. We’ll spare you the clever ways folks are dealing with excess gray water, but one subject that should concern all of us is how to make that black water holding tank last and last.

One fellow, evidently somewhat new to the lifestyle, commented that he’d been out a few times with his rig without any problems until a recent trip when he had nine people stashed away in his Bounder for a weekend of camping. By the time he got back home, both his grey and black tanks were nigh unto overflowing and the odor was unbearable. What could he do to make things last better?

Ah, cat holes you say? Yes, that bivouac practice of digging a little hole out there in the wild, doing your duty, and then covering it back over, cat-like. We’d hate to see what the area around his Bounder would’ve looked like with cat holes from nine or ten beer-drinking, brats and burger eating cat hole diggers would be like. Something says it would soon be labeled an EPA “Super Fund Site.”

One suggestion made, and we hate to say it – it wasn’t the first place we’ve seen it made – was to simply deploy kitchen trash bags as covers over the open RV toilet. “Huh?” you say? Let us delicately put it: When you need to go Number 1, go find a handy bush. If you must eliminate certain, more hard-core, odoriferous bodily wastes, you do it in a kitchen trash bag that prevents your solid wastes from going down into the black water holding tank. Just do your thing man, tie the bag off, and dump it off later.

We have never, thankfully, had the thankless job of being the campground trash man. Just opening the lid of a dumpster is enough to make knees weak on a hot day. But it’s simply unimaginable to think of dealing with kitchen trash bags loaded with human waste. According to the American Public Health Association, “More than 100 different enteric viruses, including polio and hepatitis are known to be excreted in human feces and these viruses can live for months after the stool as passed from the body.”

For those who say, “There ought to be a law,” in many places there is. In Seattle, for example, a portion of the municipal code reads: “The following shall not be deposited or discarded into any commercial or residential garbage can, container or receptacle: Dead animals over fifteen (15) pounds; sewage; human or animal excrement . . .”

Seems like common sense, and if you will, human decency not to bag and trash your poop.

How sad, the disappearing front porch

porch-738Passing through tiny Kennard, Ind., yesterday I came across these women on a front porch. I stopped in my lane right in the middle of the highway, which was also the main street. There was no other traffic. I jumped out of my RV. “May I take your picture?”

Yes, they said. I think they may have thought I was crazy, jumping out of my motorhome like that, asking to take their picture. They didn’t know that I had been looking for someone sitting on a front porch for a few days, which would mean for a few states.

You don’t see many front porches today, much less people sitting on them. 

That’s a shame. I think the disappearance of front porches has a lot to do with how isolated people are from one another these days. We don’t know our neighbors. Back in the old days, sitting on a front porch was an important way people socialized. They sat on the porch, sipped an ice tea, and chatted with their neighbors as they walked by on their way to the grocery store, or maybe were out for a stroll.

Then came air conditioning and TV, and everybody moved inside. Porches sat empty and new houses did away with them all together. People sat in their fenced back yards. Nobody saw anybody any more. It was easy to go years without even knowing your neighbors.

The woman on the left said she had just sold the house. She and her husband lived there 47 years, but he died recently. She sold it for $42,000 (she originally asked $69,000). She’ll move into a condo, she said, looking sad. Her husband made many improvements including an 800-square-foot addition in the back. “He was real handy,” she said. Where I live near Seattle, a nice house like this would go for $300,000 or more.

I wished people still had front porches and still used them. I think our country would be a better place.

Is heading south of the border for medical care wise?

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Dear RV Shrink:
I want to cross the border into Mexico to have an eye exam and maybe see a dentist. My wife thinks I should also get my head examined. She thinks everyone who goes to Mexico is never heard from again. I have heard that many people cross the border for dental, eye and prescriptions. Am I missing something?

We are in an RV park right near the border. Do you think it is worth a trip to save a few bucks? How do I convince my wife it’s safe? —Borderline yahoo in Yuma

Dear Yahoo:
Everyone has their own comfort level when traveling. It is very common for U.S. and Canadian snowbirds to cross into Mexico and save hundreds, even thousands of dollars on health care. A way to make your wife more comfortable with the idea would be to talk to fellow travelers. If you are in a park near the border, park management would be a great place to start. They will probably even give you some references across the border.

We are in Poncho Villa State Park in Columbus, New Mexico this week. My wife just went to Palomas, Mexico a couple miles down the road, had an eye exam, and bought two pair of glasses for $150. I have been telling people they found Guacamole in one eye, but she doesn’t see the humor in it.

Our friends went to the dentist while we were at the eye doctor’s office. They had new crowns for about a quarter of what it would cost in the U.S. and found everything very professional.

When all the doctoring was over, we met at the famous “Pink Store.” In just a few hours we enjoyed free drinks, good food, excellent service, inexpensive prices, and the friendliest people in Mexico. It’s hard to find a downside to that. —Keep Smilin’, RV Shrink

The RV Shrink is not really a psychologist (or professional RV technician). But he does knows a lot.

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Minding our campground courtesy

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By Russ and Tiña De Maris

Many of us were taught the “proper” rules for the dinner table. Put your napkin on your lap. Don’t burp. Say “please,” when asking for the condiment dish. Etiquette, says the dictionary, “implies observance of the formal requirements governing behavior in polite society.” We’d like to think that RVers make up “polite society,” but unless we were raised by an RVing family, we may not know all the ins and outs. There are certain politenesses that apply in the campground.

rude deerHere’s an area that buffalos some RVers: Not claim jumping. From our own experience in boondocking, we were looking for our “perfect place,” on the desert in Arizona on public land. After finally figuring out a spot, we carefully laid out a couple of items–a folding chair, an ice box, to indicate we would return here to set up camp. When we came back we found our gear parked on the road just outside the site, and a utility trailer parked smack in the middle of the site. Some days later the utility trailer was moved, and an RV was parked in its place.

Not looking for a Hatfield-McCoys situation, we just let it go. Still, it rankled us heavily, because typically, when you leave gear in a site, it’s accepted the site is occupied. Yeah, it seems these ‘good folks’ knew that, but they wanted the site more for themselves (or a friend perhaps) enough to become rather boorish in their behavior.

So for the record: If you find gear left in a spot, or a sign that says, “Site Occupied,” it means just that. Find yourself another piece of paradise. In many public campgrounds, a tag hanging on the post that reads, “RESERVED” means the same thing. You’d think this would be simple, but there are those who apparently don’t get it.

On another occasion, we were camped in a “beach front” site next to the Pacific Ocean. Our awning was rolled out and a “grass carpet” set up so we could kick back in our folding chairs and watch the surf roll up on the rocks below. Ah, paradise! But paradise was repeatedly disturbed by troops of young people who would cut across our “turf” to make a shorter pass to the beach access trail. We did our best to politely admonish these ones, all to no avail. Before we left the site, who should likewise cut through our camp but the parents of these charming little brats. The apple fails not to fall far.

Yes, it may well technically be “public land,” but when someone has parked their RV there in accordance with the rules, the area around their rig and within their designated campsite really is “theirs.” That certain politeness says we don’t go tramping through that area, and helping our children (and grands) to understand these same principles is appreciated by all.

We might add, if your dog wanders, chain him up. And when you walk him, take along your poop scooping gear and clean up after him. There’s nothing quite so memorable as stepping out in the middle of a dark night for a deep meditation on the stars of the heavens and suddenly wandering into a pile. It will bring you back to earth in an instant.

Photo: Peter G Trimming on flickr.com

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New RVer asks: What’s a blue boy?

By Russ and Tiña De Maris

What’s a blue boy? Well, we’re not talking about silly Cousin Dexter who locked the door behind him when he went out to look at the snow in Minot. Seriously, though, a blue boy for boondocking RVers is probably the greatest thing since sliced bread.

blue boyBlue boys are portable waste tanks that allow RVers to leave their rig parked while still getting waste water out to a proper dump station. Dubbed “blue boy” because many commercially produced tanks for this use are fabricated from blue colored plastic. You’ll see a couple of different varieties. Most are equipped with a pair of wheels at one end and a wagon-tongue or draw bar apparatus that allows one to tow the tank behind a vehicle using a hitch ball.

Once at the dump station, one lifts the blue boy, pivoting it on its wheels to dump the tank out through a 3″ port. It’s this same port, in conjunction with an RV sewer hose, that allows you to dump your RV. Here’s how it works:

blue boy on wheelsA sewer hose with a bayonet fitting on each end is connected to the blue boy and to the RV’s dump port. A small cap on the blue boy allows for air to be blasted out as waste is dumped in from the RV. As you would at a dump station, dump the black water into the blue boy first. It’s not likely the portable tank will be big enough to absorb the entire “load” of your black water, you do well to leave a wee bit of head space in the blue boy to allow you to “top off” the tank with gray water, thus rinsing your hose.

The real trick when first learning how to fill a blue boy is to gauge when you’ve enough fluid in the portable tank–and not too much! Icky fluids can quite vigorously blast out of the “air hole,” and create a bit of a mess.

blue boy traileredThe wheels typically found on blue boys aren’t all that skookum, particularly if you tow your blue boy over rocky ground. Many RVers end up replacing the factory wheels with pneumatic tires from a hardware store. Other RVers simply mount their blue boy on a hand truck (as in used for furniture moving) and tow the hand truck to the dump station. Of course if the distance is large or requires a trip down the highway, you’re better off loading the blue boy on a truck (we prefer using a ramp for this procedure) and driving to the dump station.

You’ll find blue boys for sale at RV part suppliers and on the Internet.

photo credit: on handtruck and on trailer, R&T De Maris

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RV Travel Reader RVs, April 16, 2016

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Send a photo of your RV and a 150 to 200 word description of it, how and where you use it, and what you like or don’t like about it, to Diane(at)RVtravel.com. Be sure to include your name(s) and hometown, or if you’re a full-timer. (These are posted in the order received.)


The RVs of RVtravel.com readers and how they use them

Issue 52; Posted Apr. 16, 2016


From Richard Forlani, Valatie, New York

RV-Forlani-3-27-16This is my 28-foot Bullet trailer, which I tow with a Ford F-150 with EcoBoost engine (great engine for trailering). In the picture we were stuck in an unexpected snowstorm in Fort Stockton, Texas … after leaving New York to avoid the snow in January 2016. (After last winter in Valatie, N.Y., I promised never again!) We made it to Death Valley just fine … parked overnight at a Love’s truck stop.

I have 200+ watts of solar panels on the trailer. We were not plugged into any electric for eight weeks and did just fine with lights, heat, hot water, charging phone and computer, and listening to the radio.

My wife, Jackie, and I did much RVing, including hosting at Camden Hills State Park, Maine, and many cross-country trips. This was my first trip without her (she passed last February). My faithful traveling companion on this trip was a rescued lab mix named Sweet Emily. I was rather apprehensive before the trip, but once I hooked up the trailer and got behind the wheel I was fine. Of course, there were a few lonesome moments but Emily took care of most of them.

On this trip I was on my way to meet dear friends in Death Valley. Alex was the best man and wrote the ceremony at our wedding 44 years ago at Fallen Leaf Lake at South Lake Tahoe, California. Alex’s wife’s name is Suzanne.  Yes, it was a hippie wedding and, yes, we wore flowers in our hair. My first trip out West was in a 1961 Volkswagen van. For many years Jackie and I had a blog: 2hippies2pups.blogspot.com. It still exists in cyberspace. I took the pictures and she did the writing and computer work, so now I just put the pictures on Facebook for others to enjoy.

My plans are to winter in California and Arizona, and summer in the Sierras and upstate New York and Canada. I’ll spend time in between with my grandchildren in Kingston, New York.

Life is what happens … while you’re making other plans.


From Mark and Kathy Hufstedler, Rochester Minnesota

RV-Hufstedler-3-23-16We made a huge jump from tent camping to a 2004 36-foot class A Gulfstream Independence in 2011. We really enjoyed sitting up high and having the freedom of one of us being able to get up and get a beverage, make a sandwich, etc., all without having to stop. However, the noisy and fully taxed front engine V-10 coupled with the busy steering had us looking for a diesel pusher.

We found the perfect fit in our 2004 Itasca Horizon with a 350 HP Cummings. The TV is directly across from the couch, and all of the nice amenities have allowed us to really enjoy our travels.


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New RVer asks: How can I save money on fuel?

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By Russ and Tiña De Maris

Even with fuel prices relatively low, some of the highest costs of RVing come in the form of fuel purchases — and RVers need every break they can get. Instead of focusing on the technical issues of fuel economy, let’s talk about how to actually save money at the fuel pump.

fuel pump robberyMuch of how you save fuel dollars is on where you buy the fuel. Comparing fuel prices station by station makes sense, but who wants to drive all over a strange town comparing prices, then finding out the first station you saw had the best price? Internet fuel price comparison services make a big difference. gasbuddy.com uses volunteer price watchers to post updated prices on fuel. Log on using your personal computer, or if you’re portable equipped, there’s an ap for ipods.

Are you a warehouse club member? Sams? Costco? Warehouse club members often pay much less then area fuel stations on a gallon for gallon basis. The trouble is, many of the warehouse outfits only provide gasoline, not diesel. But warehouse retailers aren’t the only ones who give loyalty rewards: Grocery stores like Safeway, Kroger, PriceChopper and others have loyalty programs. Safeway gives its customers a three-cent per gallon discount without having to make any purchases. Other stores give discounts based on the amount of purchases made in the store over a given time frame. Here you’ve got to watch closely–are you paying more for groceries to get the discount, than the actual discount itself?

You’ll also find loyalty discount programs from RV clubs. Good Sam members get a card that offers cents off gasoline and diesel purchases at Flying J and Pilot fuel stops. Sometimes that’s a great deal–at other times you may find that you can by fuel at another station nearby at their “full” price and do better than you would with the discount at these stops. Another card Good Sam offers is a branded credit card — use it to make fuel purchases, save even more per gallon.

The payment medium used can also make a difference in fuel prices. Some oil companies offer a discount to customers using their “branded” credit card. In other cases credit cards may offer discounts on gas, regardless of where you purchase the fuel. Here again, watch closely. Will you have to pay an annual fee to the credit card company that may outweigh the actual savings? Watch the inserts from your credit card company, too. One of our credit card companies offered a $20 rebate if we purchased $100 worth of fuel from Shell stations over a three month period. We bought our $100 worth, and haven’t seen a Shell pump since that time–we could do better elsewhere.

We do have a different credit card that offers us two-cents cash back on every dollar we spend on fuel purchases. With no annual fee, it’s a great deal — provided we pay off the purchases at the end of the month, avoiding finance charges. When we have a BIG trip that we figure might be too tight to pay for, we forgo this card and the “cash back” option and put fuel purchases onto a lower interest rate card.

Finally, in some cases you may save money by paying cash over swiping a credit or debit card. If you’re fueling up a big rig and popping out three or four hundred dollars, consider the risks of losing the cash. And if you do pay cash, don’t wind up “blowing” your savings by picking up something you might not have otherwise bought if you’d stayed with your rig and paid at the pump.

Speed up? Slow down? What’s safe for RVing?

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By Russ and Tiña De Maris

One RVer who prides himself on safe driving, had an unforgettable experience with a California Highway Patrol officer. Pulling a 28′ fifth wheel, the RVer who hasn’t had a traffic ticket in years, was pulled over and ‘read the riot act’ by the officer for driving too slowly on a two-lane stretch of northern Cal highway. What’s better–faster than the limit? Slower than the limit? At the limit?

road rageSearching the Internet reveals this question to be one of the most debated and controversial ones among Americans. Site after site decry those who would drive slower than that of most of the traffic as the ones most likely to cause an accident. How-to sites make suggestions on getting slow drivers to pull over–from flashing headlights, honking horns, and gesticulating wildly.

What’s the reality? It depends on who you believe.
Here’s a quote from one site: “The last shred of pretense that speeding laws contribute to safety on the highways has just been tossed in the trash can of scientific balderdash. There are theories around about how driving slower gives a driver more time to stop, so less accidents will happen. This sounds like it might be true, like most balderdash.”

Then there’s a news release from the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety: “Statistics tell us is that drivers need to slow down,” says Chris West, a highway patrol captain, referring to Oklahoma’s death toll during the holiday season in 2006.

Obviously there’s deep water. To wade on in, we look at information provided by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.They report on a study called, “How Risky is It? An Assessment of the Relative Risk of Engaging in Potentially Unsafe Driving Behaviors.” Study researchers put cameras and “black boxes” in the cars of 109 drivers for 12 or 13 months and looked at what happened. During the study, 82 crashes, 761 near-crashes, and 8,295 other driving-related incidents were captured.

The greatest increase in traffic accidents was for those who either drove while drowsy, or for those who drove “significantly faster” than surrounding traffic. The increase of risk for both behaviors? The likelihood of an accident was 2.9 times higher in both cases, than for those who did not speed, and who drove while alert.

But what about those who drive slower than surrounding traffic? Hard statistics are difficult to come by, but there’s no shortage of anecdotes from frustrated drivers who pour out their rage–much more safely–in blogs. Driving slower than the prevailing traffic can cause hang ups, particularly if the driver is puttering along in the “hammer lane,” on the leftmost side of the highway.

What’s to be done? The consensus is clear: If you need to drive slower than the prevailing traffic speed, stay to the right, it’s as simple as that. That’s an “easy do” if you’re rolling along a multi-lane highway or freeway. It gets a little dicier when on the two-lane roads that transect much of the country’s scenic areas. While many are there to appreciate the beauty, plenty of drivers aren’t interested in the leaves, cows, mountains, etc, but are just going from Point A to B as quickly as they can.

Where possible, PULL OVER and let the traffic pass. Keep an eye on the rear view, and when you see traffic stacking up (say three or more cars) by all means, avail yourself of a pull out.

Photo courtesy US Air Force

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New RVer asks: Should I travel with my water tank full?

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By Russ and Tiña De Maris

It’s a good question: With the price of motor fuel rising again, is it wise to carry full fresh water tanks, particularly when heading over mountain passes? Is there any advantage either way–full or empty?

drinking water symbolGetting more miles out of that costly tankful of diesel or gasoline is the smart thing to do. Since it takes more fuel to push around more mass, will keeping the fresh water tank empty–or near empty–help with fuel economy? That’s a “depends” kind of question. Here’s the scoop from Uncle Sam’s fuel economy watchdogs:

“An extra 100 pounds in your vehicle could reduce your MPG by up to 2 percent.” Sounds pretty serious, with water scaling in at about eight pounds a gallon, a full 40 gallon tank coming in at over three times that weight could give you some pause. But here’s the other side of the equation: “The reduction is based on the percentage of extra weight relative to the vehicle’s weight and affects smaller vehicles more than larger ones.” If you’re tooting around in an SUV pulling a flyweight pop-up trailer, a full water tank could cause you some concern. A one or two percent loss could easily translate to the equivalent of paying four to eight cents more per gallon of fuel–for a smaller, lighter RVing combination.

On the other hand, if your rig is already a heavyweight, like a big motorhome or a large travel trailer or fifth wheel, the extra water weight may not amount to much. So what are the pluses of carrying fresh water in your tank?

It is one less thing to worry about at the end of the travel day. If you pull into camp (or your favorite Walmart on the way), you’ll know you have plenty of water to shower off the road dust with. If you fill up before you leave home, you’ll know the quality of the water in your tank, and hopefully won’t have misgivings about drinking it, either from the standpoint of taste or safety.

If you decide to forgo carrying water in your tank, where might you look for fresh water ‘down the road’? Some RVers will slip into a state park, paying the “day use fee” (if not outright staying overnight) and fill up in the park. Others look for potable water supplies where they dump their holding tanks. Be sure it’s labeled as potable though! Some ask if they might fill up at a service station or store. If you’re doing a big fill, it might be good for the RVing image to offer to pay for the fill up.

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New RVer Asks: What do all these campsite utility designations mean?

By Russ and Tiña De Maris

Peruse a campground directory, look over information on the Internet, some of the terms used in connections with campgrounds can be a bit confusing, particularly when it comes to “utilities.”

If you’re new to RVing, you’ll need to know this when you plan your trips. First, here’s a rundown on what “utilities” there are.

Power or electric means you can plug your RV into what many refer to as “shore power.” Shore power operates things like your microwave oven, air conditioner, and often, television or other entertainment goodies.

Water means a direct hookup of water to your RV. Many RVers call this “city water,” and with it you’ll usually have water at pressures like you’re used to at home. You’ll also have all the water you want without draining your own fresh water storage tank.

Sewer provides a direct way of getting rid of “black water,” or that which comes from the RV toilet, and “gray water” which comes from sinks and showers. Word of caution: While you can directly hook up and get rid of all the gray water you like while connected to a park sewer, DON’T leave your black water valve open. Dump your black water tanks only when at least two-thirds full, or risk getting a nasty clog in the black water tank.

50 amp plugNow to the details on electricity “Shore power” may be designated by “amp” or “service” ratings. What power do you need? Much depends on your RV. A big rig may ask for “50 amp service.” If your park or campground offers 50 amp service, you’ll be able to run just about anything electrical item you have on your rig, and as many of them as you want, at any one time. But other parks may offer 30 amp service, or even 20 amp service. Does that mean you can’t stay there if your rig “plugs into” 50 amp service?

50 30 step downNot at all. So-called “step down” adapters will let you plug a 50-amp RV power cord into a 30 amp campground receptacle (or even a 20 amp). You’ll need to be more conservative about how much power your run. If your rig has two air conditioners, you’ll only be able to operate one of them at a time; you may have to shut down the air conditioner while you use the microwave oven to fix dinner. Mind you, you may not be able to run your air conditioner at all if you “adapt” down to a 20 amp service.

30 amp plugThe reverse is also true. Many RVs are equipped with a 30 amp shore power plug, but they too, can stay at a site that only provides 50 amp service with a “step up” adapter. There will be no harm whatsoever in plugging into a “larger” service than your rig requires–you won’t “burn it out.”

On to other campground designators: “Water, sewer, electric” means you can hook up to all of these. Some offer a combination of such, like “water and electric,” which simply means you’ll need to let your holding tanks collect sewage and gray (sink and shower) water while you stay on. Look for a “dump station” designator at places like these, to make sure you can get rid of all that stuff when you leave.

“Standard” sites are a bit more difficult to sort out. When you find this listing for a public campground (say a state park or national park campground) it typically means there are no utilities of any sort. That means you’ll need to rely on your RV’s self-contained abilities. You won’t be running the air conditioner unless you have a generator to make your own “shore power.” Come prepared with a full tank of fresh water, and your waste water tanks empty.

You may think that having no utility hook ups is really “roughing in,” but unless the weather is really so hot you need air conditioning (or so cold you need to run the heat all night) you’ll soon adapt to doing with a little less. And some of the greatest scenery is away from utility hookups. Called “boondocking,” many RVers will tell you this is why God created RVs in the first place–to get out and see his creation.

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