From RV Travel editor Chuck Woodbury
What would you do in this situation? Let’s say you invited 50 fellow residents in your RV park to a gathering around the park campfire pit, where you would socialize and get to know each other.
But what if two of those 50 people turned out to be obnoxious, loud-mouthed know-it-alls who screamed at everyone about how wrong they all were about everything and how right they were? You’d ask them to leave, wouldn’t you? I would.
Well, RVtravel.com is such a gathering place with tens of thousands of people gathered around our cyber campfire pit on any given day. Ninety-eight percent of them are kind, intelligent and respectful of others. But 2 percent are loud-mouthed jerks who raise their voice at every opportunity to tell everyone else how wrong they are about everything. They seem to believe that God blessed them with wisdom far beyond that of mere mortals.
Well, I am sick of these rude, nasty people. My staff and I work our fannies off to provide a useful service for RVers and we’re proud of it. We try to be accurate and fair about what we write and say. We know that some readers will always disagree, which is fine, but it must be with respect, not condemnation.
It’s come to the point where the angry 2 percent of our audience wants to argue about everything we write and every comment left by readers. No more. These people have got to go.
Starting today, my staff and I re-pledge to do all we can to get rid of these people. Let them go elsewhere. We can’t prevent them for reading this website, but we can prevent them from joining the discussion. Leave the rest of us alone to discuss matters intelligently and respectfully.
And, it would so wonderful if some of the most clueless in the audience would quit telling me I’m a radical leftist because I live in Seattle, where I am surely a socialist or commie because doesn’t every single person who lives here fit that description? They are too mentally impaired to understand that even if Seattle does lean left, there are hundreds of thousands of people in the area who are politically neutral or to the right. So for a reader to tell me (not suggest to me, but tell me) “You live in Seattle therefore I know you are a socialist,” is a spectacular display of ignorance from a person so ignorant they don’t even know it. Who are these bottom feeders of humanity?
The smart people of the world, and that includes most of our readers, celebrate diverse opinions. They know they do not have all the answers, and they yearn to learn more, to become more enlightened. If they are proven wrong, they admit it, their egos unaffected, and they are thankful to be set straight.
From this point on, all disrespectful comments left on this website will be deleted and the readers who wrote them will be banned from commenting again. With them gone, the collective intelligence of those who remain will rise several notches. Ah, what a breath of fresh air that will be!
Good on you Chuck & team. Have read some of the most informative & entertaining work on this site – fortunately haven’t seen much weirdo whackers.
I’m a ‘super mature’ future RVer getting my mini ranch ready to sell next year. So I appreciate these inputs sans the nuts.
Carry on!
Julia
Great thoughts. I wonder how you’ll actually enforce this new “discipline” onto the heads of everyone of us, your avid readers? I mean, Chuck, there would seem to be room for disagreement, as I see things. Yet, I do get it….you are right to reach a point of anger and right to take steps. I hope and trust that your new resolution finds strength and good thoughts in action. Best wishes.
Touche’. I for one support your action. Thank you and your staff for all you do!!!
Chuck, That was so well written. Unfortunately, those people dwell among us and continually show their ignorance by thinking they have all the RIGHT answers. We have camped for years and continually learn from this travel post. We look forward to it every weekend.
Thanks for all your hard work and that of everyone who blesses us with this newsletter.
Good for you, and I’m sorry you and your staff have had to put up with this kinda garbage.
Bravo Chuck I support you completely
Bravo!
Well said! Your newsletter’s been keeping me afloat through this pandemic, basically giving me something to hope for! I’ve been planning and dreaming my whole adult life for a little rv. We were finally within sight, along came corona and I lost my job…so back to dreaming for now. Thanks for all the info and don’t let the idiots get you down! Some of us truly appreciate you!
I support you 100%! If I may, I would like to give a suggestion. Ban all politics and religion. And comments not about RVing or not dealing with the topic being discussed should not be allowed.
This is a site where people discuss RV
or related topics civilly. There are other places these angry people can discuss politics and religion, just not here.
You have provided us with a wonderful location for RV information and discussions. I look forward to it daily. So much so, I am getting my credit card and making a donation to keep it going. I am ashamed to say I haven’t sent in money in longer than I would want to admit. Sorry for that, RV Travel is worth it and my favorite out of the whole internet. Chuck and company have given us plenty and I am happy to give back.
Now where’s the donation link? If you agree with me please consider donating too. It’s worth a few bucks don’t you think?
I totally agree. And I too am a paying member and I value the RV content it provides.
Please don’t ban religion….its being banned enough. Many blessings for a great editor and staff!
Marty, if you have been reading.subscribing/supporting RV Travel for any length of time you will no doubt have read some comments from Editor Woodbury that for many would be construed as much less, very much less, than complimentary of a very large RV business he has for years expressed strong disfavor of. Some commentatry I have found downright caustic inflammatory & damning – some arguably deserving of the critic. It’s a sandbox mature adults play in.
Thus – I do not disagree with the approach – BECAUSE – those comments,information to some (me) inform one , triggering a check of statement veracity of statements made, later helping one decide whether or not they’d like to continue to do business with that firm. That’s political, it’s a service, it’s FREE speech at work and above all it’s a reality of life in 2020 – and that’s what we’re talking about here………..
Hooray! This should help make it a better site. I belong to several groups who have adopted the same policies and it helps a bunch!
You have my support!
YES! Thank you Chuck and your staff for “work[ing y]our fannies off to provide a useful service for RVers”. I’m sorry that some folks are making that more difficult.
If they judge that they are so superior, they should start there own website/newsletter!
It’s sad that you have to write such an angry note. I totally understand where you are coming from. Just because we might disagree with something said, is never a reason to call people names, to point fingers. We are all Americans first (I hope) and we all have a right to our opinions. It is nice when we can agree to disagree as adults. Thanks Chuck for what you do, I really appreciate it and love reading your newsletter daily. Please, you and your staff keep up the good work. Many of us really appreciate it
Thank you!!
THANK YOU!!
Dear staff, my comment is well overdue. So I apologize for my tardiness. I commend the editorial and opinion pieces collected for this newsletter. I read it daily. Often I reread issues. I especially appreciate the manner in which you present previous articles and columns weeks or months later. There are far more than one column I have read MORE than 2-3 times. There is so much to learn about RVing. I highly and deeply value RVtravel.com and am grateful to have it as part of my “dream team” of resources in one of the most enjoyable facets of my life. (I also love the trivia) Blessings and peace upon you all as you pursue your purpose and passion for RVing!
Agree 100%!
So uh, Chuck ….. how do you Really feel? 😉😉😉
😆 —Diane at RVtravel.com
Chuck, you are spot on.
Each and everyone one of us are created in God’s image, and we are all created differently, with different gifts.
Unfortunately, some people think that different is bad, or not at all important, that is so far from the truth.
Thank you for your courage to put this out there, and for all that you and your family have done to help people that are RV’ing.
Simple kindness, and a little more of, ‘treat others as you would like to be treated’ goes a long way to help create a better world for all of us!
Thank you, Chuck! Have thoroughly been enjoying the newsletters every weekend as something to look forward to.
I respectfully disagree. Oh, not with you Chuck, you are right on. I was just giving an example of how a response should start if one wants to opine. And then the comment should remain “respectful” Also I feel bad for the fine folks of Seattle with all the craziness that is going on there. Most intelligent people know that the vast majority of the crazies’ are being bussed in from elsewhere.
I agree however it seems that the worst people involved with any of these peaceful protests are “from out of town”. That may be the case in many instances but some of them probably come from the local area.
Brian
Thank you, it is appreciated.
Thank you Chuck and your family for allowing other campers an open window onto the RV world. I have enjoyed reading your comments and suggestions. I don’t on all of them agree, however, it is place to discuss and to open your mind onto different things. Myself and my wife enjoy camping to “getaway” for a short time. I don’t understand anyone who wants to camp, but belittles someone who has a different “view”. My thirty-five (35) years of Law Enforcement has taught me that no matter the situation or comment made, I always go home to my loving family and enjoy another weekend of camping. It’s not that I have all of the answers, but I have seen quite a few things, I wished I hadn’t. Life is way to short, that is why you enjoy what you have, go to different places, and experience life as it should, with your family and friends. Please keep going, do not let others deter you. Peace
Andrew thank You for Your service on “The Thin Blue Line”!
That’s the line that separates Law Abiding Citizens from Chaos!!!
Chuck, will you or your staff respond to those inappropriate comments to inform those individuals before locking them out. It is possible for someone to have a bad day who may later regret any knee jerk post. What process does RVTravel.com have in place before terminating someones right to comment. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Bill T, we almost always simply delete a comment that is out of line. It’s only when someone does it week after week that we say “enough is enough,” and ban the person from commenting again.
Good for you! So many times people only voice the negative and being rude and being a bully has become acceptable behavior. I appreciate this newsletter so much and sometimes it seems to be my lifeline and stabilizer for this RV life I have chosen. This action will only make this an even more enjoyable read (but will also cause you guys to work your fannies off even more). The older I get the more I appreciate the filters on cameras. Thanks for being that filter and sparing your readers the misery of negativity! The mute button is my favorite feature on my television. Since I am from the South I say to that 2%…bless your heart!
I agree with you in asking them to leave. Leave politics and religion out of your discussions, Left or Right.
Gary
Thank you for a very well written and relevant statement…your words should be posted to many other FB groups we are members of. Keep up the good work, and for our part, we’ll keep sending our monthly donation.
Thank you for taking a stand – I appreciate RVTravel so much.
Exile them – as should be done! Sadly, there seems to be more of these people around. They know everything and the World revolves around them. I could do the same as them and state that the residents that come from a few certain populous eastern seaboard states are idiots. However, we have friends in some of those states and they are normal, intelligent, good people.
We empathize with with you and your staff Chuck and we deeply appreciate everything that you folks pour into these newsletters. Keep up the good work!
Right on.
Chuck, I am in agreement to a point. Respectful disagreement causes us to think and reflect on our opinion. But as you point out there is a line, when crossed, is no longer respectful. And we all know living in a certain place does not mean one is of any particular political or personal persuasion
Thank you for your efforts.
Chuck I agree with every part of what you said, except those parts that I don’t agree with or those parts that I have no opinion about. BTW I am an old, bald (but not fat) white guy, therefor I am just a conservative pig…oh wait I am conservative but I still like to read your newsletter often. Thanks
Russ, we don’t care who you are as long as when you communicate with your fellow readers, you are respectful.
Sad, that poison is everywhere in our country nowadays.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could go back before smartphones, the internet, and trump.
Can’t believe you have no thumbs up on that statement James.
Boy oh Boy do I agree with you sir and I think a lot of others may as well.
My wife and I often seek to accomplish just that by finding those out of the way places to RV, where we are distanced from the noise, and complications of what many are calling “the new normal” in a “modern” world???? There’s still room for us but we do have to look harder to find it
Your game – your rules. While the “spirit of fairness and tolerance” did lift its head and threaten to make some noise about “forgive them for they know not what they do,” and the bluebird of equal time suggested to me that “adopting their tactics will just prove them right and turn you into another version of them,” a more rational head shut them up.
You’ve warned them. Perhaps another such warning sent as a staff’s response to their post might make sense, as well as allowing them a back channel so they can communicate after any cranio-rectal extraction and regain access – but that’s your call. We counsel others to leave abusive relationships and this is no different. Let them discover the consequences of their words (unfortunately, they lack an example in the White House). Free speech is NOT free from the costs of being accountable for the impact of one’s speech.
Richard, I largely agree with your comments…but, as is the focus of much of the statements here, no need to inject politics into the discussion.
I agree, sometimes people don’t hear or read what they have said. A simple re-read and they may see the obvious statement or issue in question.
Caught you clever insertion of a political statement Richard. Please Please Please NO no no no.
Good, thank for taking a stand and for all the good work you do.
So your from the west and I’m from the east. If we met in the middle, what would that make us? FRIENDS. What I like about the news letter is when people rattle you with their ignorance you always respond with elegance. people are who they are and there are those who can not be enlightened. My opinion and those can disagree is you and your staff do a fantastic job. We are always going to have people we come across who know more and know better! But that makes for conversation and laughter around the campfire.
Your newsletter is much appreciated in this RV. Thanks to you and your staff.(you leftys):):)
Stephen, I am so sick of people saying “You are a Democrat and therefore I don’t like you,” or “You’re a Republican and I don’t like you.” No, we are all people, and those of us in the USA are Americans. Let’s just get rid of labeling everyone and talk about our interests in intelligent ways, always knowing that this country is great because it has always celebrated freedom of speech and the right to vote for those who best represent our beliefs. Be thankful we have a two party system.
I agree with you Stephen. Response “with elegance” is an art form in itself, which not many of us master, or spend much time considering how to accomplish such a difficult task.
The quick easy is to strangle the problem by closing the door to it..
That may work, or have worked in the past, but in these delicate/stressful,times it seems to empower the anarchist even more – moving him/her/them/it to other locales to deal with.
I wish Chuck and staff the best in this regard and will soon be forwarding a few bucks so they can continue their good work keeping us RV’ers informed
Thank you.
Chuck, we live in a time when all the “norms” of our life and standards have either been thrown out the window or totally turned upside down. I remember a time in the mid-1950’s when this was a daily spectacle on TV’s early days. False claims were made and demigods created. Now we are in the worse medical and financial crisis of modern times for America. Fingers point, lies are told so regularly that so called “normal” people begin to believe them. After I read the wonderful on point editorial you posted about John Lewis I knew what was to follow.
People, this crap is not good for any of us on any side of the political spectrum. It isn’t good for white, black or any other color. We do not need religious scapegoats. Doubting medical and scientific proof is now questioned yet it has permitted us to thrive for hundreds of years. What we need is all of us being respectful of difference whether it be a political stance, where we pray or who we chose to marry.
We seem to find ourselves in the “death of truth” era.
Keep religion and politics out of the newsletter and it will continue to be the best RV newsletter!
Since politics determines our everyday happiness,, we can’t help but to discuss it from time to time. If you want to keep the politics out of RV discussions, then keep politics out of RV events & happenings.
Don’t know how that can be done, because politics determines everything almost.
How your RV engine is made,,, how much water can flow through your toilets..
I can go on & on here… you get my meaning…?
As I said earlier….since politics determines our everyday happiness, decisions,,,, we can’t help but to discuss it from time to time. It comes up.
Don’t want to stop discussions,,, just stop belligerent behavior.
Agree Johnny but I’d like to see a little more politics employed in the building of our RV’s so those who build them can’t build such substandard junk. Those politics I would welcome – anyone else?
As much as I despise know it alls and personally don’t comment here often I must say I respectfully disagree. However, this is your page and of course you are free to run it as you wish. Perhaps it is simply my sense that so many are being canceled all around us for simple indiscretions, or differing opinions, that it pains me to see this culture of shutting people out come to RVing. My personal solution for know it alls is to ignore them. It they have psychological need to display allow their humanity. I maintain mine by not responding. Do unto others…..
I agree with what you are saying about know it alls and bypassing their comments. However, when these know it alls begin to call people names or liars is when it crosses the line of being obnoxious to being cruel.
Politics and religion should have nothing to do with RV travel. Bullying for any reason is wrong. It’s naive to say “why can’t we all just get along”? At some point the buck stops someplace. I am grateful Chuck that you have taken this step. Looking forward to more issues that contain less vitriol.
Politics inflict itself on every facit of life including rv
Politics & religion has almost everything to do with RV travel IMO….
For example.. How your RV was made was determine by politicians and PAC people.
Most of the travel restrictions now is politically motivated… just saying.
If there is an elephant in the room,,, folks gonna say something about it from time to time..
Said on another post….since politics determines our everyday happiness, decisions,,,, we can’t help but to discuss it from time to time. It comes up.
Don’t want to stop discussions,,, just stop belligerent behavior.
Now I have to go and grill breakfast.. LOL Y’all have a great day.
well said, glad some one taking a stand, No body else will
What you are experiencing is exactly what is going on all over our Country!
If you don’t agree with the few, then they throw the most vile and hateful dialogue back at you. What ever happened to being able to civilly agree to disagree?
What happened was the death of truth.
Thank you.
Chuck, thank you. As we all know, RVing brings people together. For most of us, traveling and being outdoors brings us to our “happy place”. We are a diverse group of personalities who enjoy living life as much as sharing our lives. We love meeting folks, reading a book outdoors, sharing meals, driving down the road, or helping out those in need of a hand.
Unfortunately, some people have the “I, Me, My Way” gene. For these folks happiness is only achived when others fall in line or become angry when opinions differ. I ignore these people.
The IMMW gene 2% will never understand the reason most of us enjoy RVing. For the “No Drama 98%”, it’s not a race. It’s not a fashion show. It could be in a tent or a Prevost. It’s all about searching for our “happy place” with those who enjoy the journey.
Well stated. I agree 100%.
I appreciate this. This is about RV’ing, not politics.
Big THANK YOU to you and your staff!
After reading that I was searching for a “Like” button! As many of you know, the ignorant are abundant on social media. It’s easy to criticize, bully, and argue when you are not face to face with the other person. The anonymity of the internet has provided a platform for a lot of really rude people.
Thank you Chuck for all you and your staff do! It is a shame when politics transfer over to a site I look forward to everyday. Yes, we are full timers and have been this way for over 7 years, but always learn something or find a funny joke or saying in your news letter!
I do have to say, we are now working in Yellowstone and it is a pleasant surprise in the way people are so nice and considerate. Maybe, this pandemic, has done something really nice to people in general and allowed them to be more considerate of others. What a wonderful world this would be!
Thank you for promoting kindness and respect. You did post in an earlier issue that rude and unacceptable posts would be removed. Disagreement is okay. There are always comments posted that disagree with the articles’ writers and it is informative to read what is said. I appreciate that. Please readers, continue to comment, continue to agree and disagree, but do it in a way that would make your pastor proud.
Couldn’t be more pleased to read this – the one thing that has completely gone away (or so it seems) is civil discourse in our country – I suppose we all have theories about why this may be but, regardless, this is precisely the the manner in which this lack of civility should be handled.
Reading RVTravel.com is an enjoyable part of each day. Thanks again for making sure it stays that way. Well done!
Chuck, Thank you for making this decision. I have had to do the same on Facebook to “friends” that thought they were right 100% of the time. It is a form of abuse and no one should have to submit it. Keep doing what you are doing, and that comes from a Conservative Republican from Tennessee.
Having written and published weekly periodicals in the past, I feel your frustration clear to the bone. Thank you for taking a stand against this thankfully micro group of your readership. As they (“they” being the world’s most reliable source) say, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Keep doing what you do.
We support your action & opinion on this and in general. Frankly, the 2% never impacted us. Chances are many of us don’t read enough of the comments to see them. But we certainly appreciate how their comments negatively impact the hard work of the team.
I was taught that it’s ok to disagree, don’t be disagreeable. Your ball, your field.
The first thing I do when I buy a product is to look at how many one stars it has. For instance, the guy who bought a 220 volt air conditioner and had to change the 110 volt plug so the plug on the air conditioer would fit was not happy, so he wrote a nasty review. Obviously he was an idiot and the product did not deserve one star. My suggestion, instead of deleating them, so they can slither back into the darkness, have a garbage mail bag and move their words of wisdumb over to it so their names remain in public view and we all can know who these people are.
Michael that’s a good idea, then they’re all together and those who love horror movies in print can get their fix – brilliant. Alvin
Thank you
thank you for taking a stand against the negativity, America needs this right now. Greatly appreciate the hard work the RV Travel staff does. Keep up the great work.
Hi, Gene. If someone doesn’t llike or agree with your opinion, what does standing up and pushing back mean to you exactly?
Well said 👍
it is your right as owner of this site to select who may comment or who has to go…🤔
Jim, I think you missed the point. Chuck is not removing posts that disagree with him, it’s the people who are rude, disrespectful and bully and insult others with their comments. One can disagree with him but do it in a respectful manner.
Thanks kim V. I only remove posts that are ignorant, rude or hateful or based on a reader’s idea that they are somehow gifted with superior intelligence and wisdom. I have had it with these small-minded people. Enough is enough. Personally, I do not have all the answers. I am not always right. I make mistakes. I cannot stand people who cannot say that. They are always right and anyone who disagree with them is wrong. I allow comments all day long where I disagree with a reader’s position, but if it is put intelligently and respectfully, it stays to add to the discussion.
Thanks, Chuck!
I also belong to a brand-specific RV group. The moderator had to take the same action – no politics, no religion, just RV discussion allowed.
If civility is not defended every day, we will not be civilized.
It is called Respect. This nation in general has lost what we were all taught in our youth. We were all taught in our youth to listen to each other. Sometimes we agreed and sometimes we didn’t but we always respected each other.
Hi
I had no idea you needed to be right wing to own an RV, does this mean I have to sell mine? I am a freshly minted US citizen and come with all those useful ideas of social democracy such as decent medical systems and police forces that are not trigger happy. Camping World did not point out the section in the Thor ACE manual that says “Drive from the Left, think from the right.” I have met lots of interesting people from all view points. I hope you take this in the spirit in which it is intended. Without dialogue we are all in a bad place.
Michael O’Reirdan — Democrats, Republications, Independents — right wing, left wing — all are among the ranks of RVers. RVers are simply people with a shared common interest, not ALL common interests. At this website we don’t care if someone is right or left or in the middle. We don’t care if they are black, white, purple or five shades of green. We welcome them, as long as they are respectful of others who are different and speak about what they know, not about what they read on Facebook or Twitter.
“five shades of green” reminds me of the time I ate “bad” potato salad…
Trigger happy??
Maybe expose these jerks, Look up Sheriff Wayne Ivey on you tube for his “Wheel of fugitives” segment, I think something similar to that would be a way of making these jerks see themselves for what they are.
https://youtu.be/zVNDOwAneZU
Clever how you worked in “demonrats” and “BLM lies” while appearing to call for no politics. Just can’t help yourself being an example of what Chuck is talking about?
and he got 5 likes for it. It’s almost impossible to stop.
Thank you!
Yes, it’s simple; talk with respect, the way you’d like to overhear someone talking to your grandma.
There have been situations where I’ve read a particular point or opinion in the newsletter where I’ve thought to myself ‘hmm, that’s not been my conclusion’’. But not once has that angered me, or prompted me to generate an angry insulting response. It’s like a buffet, you don’t have to like every dish on the buffet, you enjoy the ones you do like, and occasionally give something you hadn’t considered a chance.
StevenG — Amen! Most of our readers are good people who can deal with those who disagree with them just fine, they might even be happy to learn something. The two-percent just show up to pee on everybody else’s conversations. They should just go to Google, type in RV website, and find a new place to spew their ignorance. They are not welcome here.
Thank you Chuck! The 2% you speak of are nothing but angry negative Nellie’s who in general are unhappy with their life. I love your informative newsletter and thank you for the countless hours you spend and all the hard work you and your staff do for us RV folks. Happy Trails, Angela
With all the hatred and crap going on in this nation right now, my wife and I loaded up our 25′ trailer and went camping for a week over the July 4th holiday on the Snake River (near Palouse Falls, WA). We had no cell service, no internet service and very few neighbors. (There was also NO fireworks or gunshots going off on the holiday – our little dog really freaks out from that.) And it was nice NOT being inundated with the negative news and negative politics for that week. I totally agree with your decision to eliminate the postings of vicious negative comments. There is enough hate and discontent in this world, and to have a site where I can research and get information on camping, trailer repairs and the like without having to surf through all the garbage is a welcome change. Thank you sir, for what you do for us. Have a blessed day.
That 2% is proof “Common sense is not that common”
RIGHT ONE == THANK YOU to you and your staff! Keep it up.
I Agree,
It’s your web site, you can run it the way you want and you’re doing a great job, I like that part.
So you get to control who posts and what we say.
Being up front about what you you’re doing is refreshing and courageous. Be interesting to see what the 98% say.
It isn’t about control. Disagreements are acceptable and accepted. It is is the armchair epidemiologists and Constitutional scholars Chuck is writing about. People that have zero expertise and are arguing based on their personal opinion and getting downright belligerent about it because ‘they are right.’ And the slinging is on both sides of the fence, like with the mask argument for example. People can’t have a civil discussion and feel the need to get nasty. If you want to be pro mask, fine. If you want to be anti mask, fine, but do not denigrate someone who views the topic the opposite from you. I spend way too much time each day deleting garbage comments from the Facebook groups that have zero value other than to further the poster’s ignorant factless stance. They are the people incapable of having a grownup discussion, and are the people that need to be weeded out.
You missed the point altogether!
Well Chuck, that’s Great! To bad our elected representatives can’t be as bold! Thank you.
Chuck,
Hopefully i’m Not in that 2%. If I am I am sorry. There are some things that bother me to no end and I will speak out about it and take a stand. For example two things that I hate hearing about is covid 19 and government telling me you need too wear a mask.
Carry on and thanks for not talking about these two subjects I just brought up.
So here we have a guy stating his opinion on covid and govt over reach and immediately his comments receive a -9. Was -10. Wow
John,
Thank you. I am not sure if chuck’s essay today was aimed at me or not. If it was I was apologizing to chuck, his staff, and everyone. Another thing that bothers me is how divided this country is and it’s a shame. Chuck if your message was aimed at me I believe you have my email. Please let me know.
Hi, Jeff. I don’t think it was aimed at you. If you’ve ever noticed any of your comments have “gone missing,” then it was deleted for name-calling or whatever. But I don’t think you do that, so it’s all good. Take care, and stay healthy. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com
diane at rvtravel.com
thank you for the response. I will try to be respectful with my comments. If you guys at rvtravel delete my comments then I know why.
You’re fine, Jeff. But I’m keeping tabs on you. 😉 Have a good night. 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com
Chuck, the one thing I can say on this subject is that this is an RV site. It should be geared pretty much to RV’ing information. Throwing in some levity is a good thing as well. But where I see the most conflict is when you present articles that represent subjects that have a large public disagreement. Such as Politics and Mask wearing. There is so much division on these two subjects that it is almost impossible to have a sane, intelligent, conversation on them. My suggestion would be to refrain from the subjects that you know are going to be filled with a great degree of disagreement and stick to what you do best….RV’ing! You do have the ability to censor ignorant and rude comments. I hope you use that ability wisely and prudently! Have a great day and keep on RV’ing!
Ed D. I can write that the the sky is blue and somebody will want to argue with me. You suggest we pussyfoot around and avoid anything that might offend those hotheads who only want to pick a fight to begin with. If we want to ask our readers if they are wearing masks, why should that be a launch pad for the ignorant upon us unleash their ignorant blabber? No, we will just delete the comments of those people. Those of us who remain, mature adults who are not afraid to hear intelligent differing opinions, can discuss things intelligently like we did in the pre Facebook and Twitter Days.
I’m with you Chuck. A friend wasn’t being told to wear a mask. He got Covid, 2 weeks on a ventilator and died at 58. Masks have become political for those pounding freedom drums and decrying socialism. Yet they embrace public schools, roads, bridges, parks, police, safe food, water. Democratic socialist services for the greater good with our collective tax dollars. We wear masks to protect one another. Not talking about it, not testing or wearing a mask for a health issue shouldn’t be political with people dying. How’s that working?
If people can’t engage in civil discourse just zip it. How many have to die before it finally sinks in. Our freedoms could really be restricted and the economy could totally tank because some were not going to be told to simply wear a mask. This isn’t about pounding your chest and winning…it’s about staying alive.
I’m so sorry you lost a friend.
Too funny. The whole point of the OP was not to get political, then you do just that.
Everything you said is completely biased to 1 side and ignores the numerous counter arguments.
You’re the very self-righteous know it all the article was describing.
I guess you are right. As long as differing opinions, when expressed in a civil manner, are still allowed.
Every weekend I look forward to your newsletter. We are not active RVers. We only RV occasionally but the adventures of others, part-time and those that live in their RVs, is so fascinating. Your newsletters and all those that contribute are wonderful. As far as the rude know-it-alls – I just ignore them. They don’t represent me as I have my own opinions. At 72 not much will change me anyway. However, I keep my opinions to myself or discuss with friends because I don’t believe my opinions will change anyone’s beliefs. BTW I am also ignoring the MSM,, I am a much happier person because of it. Keep on writing Chuck you make so many happy and we NEED some happiness in this old world.
Good Morning Chuck and RV Travel family! I want to say that your website has been a blessing to me and my family! In these times it is such a wonderful blessing to read all the wonderful things you and your staff publish!
God Bless you and your excellent staff!
I will also be donating again soon!!
Congratulations to you and the rest of the RV Travel crew! I, too, am sick of the know-it-alls and the perpetually angry people. Sad they’re so unhappy.
While I appreciate civil dissent, I agree that some comments are beyond the line. I too live in Washington and like most my opinions and values are complicated and not stereotypical. Thank you for making a stand for civility!
This will come back to bite you.
That’s laughable.
Am saddened to hear you have been verbally abused by a small portion of your readers and support your decision to not print hateful comments. Unfortunately, verbal abuse is not limited to this forum. Hopefully, not giving negativity a platform can turn the tide. Meanwhile, your newsletter is one of the highlights of my week – thank you to you and your staff for all your efforts. We appreciate you!!!
PS Not discussing COVID is ignoring the elephant in the room – I want/need to hear how RV folks are coping with this virus.
Good for you!! You and your team work hard to bring us the latest RV news every day and my husband and I truly appreciate it. You don’t need to tolerate people who don’t genuinely show gratitude for what you do! Please, please … don’t let the naysayers get you down. They’re not worth your precious time.
Good for you, I support that 100%
Well said. I wish some of the brand-specific websites had the balls to ban know-it-alls too.
Hip Hip Hooray
I was told a long time ago,by a very wise man you can’t argue with crazy, so don’t even try,just move on
FYI: Our Son and his family live in the Seattle area. He is about as far away from the left politically as possible and we know that there are many great people in that area….both left leaning and right leaning. That is what makes America GREAT! Since we live in MA, we know about the left. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO BEST! Helping those of us who want to learn about RV life and those who enjoy it is what you and your staff do so well. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I’d bet the trash talk will cease after November 3, 2020.
Regardless of the outcome, the opposition party will always be vocal in their displeasure. It’s just the nature of the beast.
There are several subjects that shouldn’t be discussed: politics, religion, abortion and recently face mask wearing. Once you reveal that you are pro choice or pro life people feel under threat and want to lash out at you. I often say its OK to discuss these subjects if you don’t drop any hints revealing your personal views; something that’s hard to do. Fortunately we have other forums where we can argue over these subjects with other people. I feel that we can all agree that due to Covid-19 outbreak camping is safer than staying in a hotel, regardless of whether you wear a face mask.
Excellent! I read RV Travel to learn new tips but mostly to relax and Enjoy.
Hooray! Never try and teach a pig to sing, it only annoys the pig and wastes your time!
AWESOME !!!!
I agree 100%! Those type of comments get people off into another direction having nothing to do with what we have joined this site for. I am so tired of people who co-opt discussions to constantly insert political comments. Or their views expressed after every comment – like, we “get it” the first time. Thank you for running a great site!
Very well put. As in most forums, there are always those who know more. Fine well and good. Just depends on how they come across. We have it on the sailing sites we belong to also. I have noticed that the worst are the ones that add a bunch of letters after their name< I guess for the purpose to impress the rest of us.
Ted. J.P.O.M. (just plain ol me)
Thank you! I certainly don’t understand the mentality of people who seemingly won’t do anything but criticize. They are not welcome here.
Chuck, don’t let them get your robber down. This newsletter is worth its weight in gold. There is always going to be the “10%”.
The nasty hate mongers are everywhere. Thank you for taking this stand!
Well stated.
Got the same when I posted a simple question on FB, received vulgarity, etc., pretty much saying I was an idiot. I might say, from the 2%.
Yeah! Thanks for doing this.
Excellent, thank you
While I agree with your assessment – internet social media sites should be responsible in refusing to publish garbage – perhaps you should tell us what your criteria will be. Will you refuse to publish material that contains opinions you do not agree with? Will you research factual assertions to see if they are accurate or false?
I recognize that this is your site and you have every right to include and exclude matters as you see fit. But you have given us a publishing manifesto so I ask simply that you expand on what you have said and explain the criteria you will use which I assume includes something more than excluding name-calling and ill-mannered remarks.
Check Maggie ´s post
she still takes a jab at the potus
isnt that what we are trying to eliminate?
Let me answer that if I may, please. I believe he is going to exclude those extremely disrespectful, rude, hateful and slanderous people that are not here for discourse but “bullying”. I am sure he will welcome any comment that is given with respect for all.
Chuck, I agree with you with this cavet in tow.
I respect the fact you own RV Travel and can regulate that which is stated within the comment sections. But, there’s a danger lurking, with censoring what an audience will or will not be allowed to read, see,and hear.We see the outfall of that daily in the news.
I still support the effort 100%
Thanks for the comment…..always try to stay away from this sort of people that know everything…..haven’t been able to do it all the time but I am gad I can come here and read about RVing
Two thumbs up. I’ve run across these 2% many times. Best to just walk away.
I am seeing the negativity in apps like Next Door and Facebook. It’s like the 2% feel their attacking comments are acceptable and they aren’t. Keep up the great informative writing. We learn something new every week.
Agree 100%.
Thank you!!! We are ALL in this pandemic together and feel the frustrations of our lives being put on hold and/or completely changing. Now is the time to hold each other up and the constant negativity by a very small group does not help anyone! You all do a fabulous job keeping us informed and I, as a weekend RV’er (with family in Seattle) thank you!!
Well stated. Keep your chin up. Those folks probably are fuming right now………oh ….but they also probably don’t recognize themselves in your article. Keep up the good, interesting, educational, and entertaining work. Cheers!
Hooray for you, Chuck! I haven’t been reading peoples’comments because I’d like to avoid those sorts of people. Really, what do you expect when they have an example in such a high place?
And you are one that needs to go.
This is very helpful to see where the line is drawn.
…and how slippery the slope is.
I read her comment and can’t say she is speaking of the POTUS. She did not use his name. I can read that banning “bullies” is an act inspired by an “example in such high places.” Calling her “a lying spoiled leftist” is exactly what we don’t need here.
I have very strong opinions politically and get very angry when I hear someone denigrate the president of the USA. I have read the other comments about maybe not being the POTUS, I choose to read that differently. I choose to read this as an inflammatory post. I respect everyone’s political stance but I also expect others to respect mine. I will never post a political commentary online but will discuss politics face to face, not to change a persons opinion but to understand them and have them understand me. Is this a comment that should have been posted?
I enjoy the newsletter and website.
Your website. You make no claim to be a public forum. You can keep or ban whomever you wish. You will know by your readership numbers whether your decisions are correct or incorrect.
Outstanding post, Chuck! The ability to hide behind a keyboard just opens the doors for the social misfits to exercise their ignorant minds and mouths (or fingers) and expose their true personalities. This IS your forum and I truly appreciate the work your team invests and the time and talent it takes to write these daily newsletters. You have my sincere Thanks!!
Bravo, Chuck! You and your team do a great job. You have maintained high journalistic standards in quality and fairness. Your hard work is appreciated.
I’m so glad you’re doing this! There are a few people in my family I wish I could do this to also 🙂
You so funny….me too?
Thank you, Chuck! Don’t forget to remove them from the list of who gets the notification emails. Keep up the good work.
I wish other messageboards would do the ban on politics and religion. I have seen a few really good sites go right down the tubes because of the few that have to beat everybody over the head with their opinions.
I am another here to say thank you. Just last week there were more than a few comments that caused me to pause and raise an eyebrow because they were so far over the line, and am so glad to read your new policy for dealing with outright rude comments, especially those directed at your staff that work so hard to provide us with fresh articles every single day. As a long time reader and monthly supporter I look forward to reading the newsletter and comments.
Chuck, I admire you and your staff for being as thick skinned as you have being all the cheep shots and ridicule you have received over the years that you have held back on making a big deal of it. Fact and justification have no meaning to those who know it all and are not willing to analyze or consider any alternative. It is your publication and you have the right to delete those from commenting who are disrespectable to you or your staff or to anyone in your readership. If they think their views and disrespectful comments are that important, let them start their own newsletter and put in the countless hours and devotion as you and your staff have. Keep up the excellent work. Stay well, Stay safe.
Terrific article. I support you and your team in this effort. There is too much decisiveness and anger in our country now, and we sure don’t need more here, where we come to learn, discuss, and share having a good time camping. Bravo!
Chuck, Thank you for your decision to ban disrespectful commenters. I like to read ideas that are opposed to my own. It makes me think about why I think the way I do. If you only read or speak to people who agree with you, you will never consider other sides to an issue. However, rude or condescending remarks have no place in the discussions that are written here. I go camping with other families. I like to ask some of the other campers what they think about certain issues or about the current administration. I respect these people and enjoy their company. I have learned that we see things differently. I disagree with some of their political beliefs. We always speak respectfully towards each other. These discussions make me think about other points of view. This newsletter presents different points of view on many topics. I think the Covid discussions are directly related to RVing. I leave this week for a trip upstate and I will encounter people with different ideas about safety.
Thank you, Chuck, for your common sense response to a seemingly ever-worsening social media issue. I’m not sure at exactly what point it became acceptable to say rude or hateful things under the cloak of a pseudonym or with relative anonymity but it is time for polite folk (whose mamas raised them right!) to say enough is enough.
I am so thrilled with your commentary today. What you have expressed can be carried through to our daily life in all ways. I don’t care about any one’s political or social leanings as long as they are respectful and do NOT bombard me with political rhetoric of any kind. I want to live my life without being lectured to or pushed to abandon how I feel about any social issue nor do I wish to change anyone else’s. I am respectful to everyone and try to stay away from those who are not. You are absolutely correct to silence that 2%. I rarely if ever comment here but I regularly read and love your commentary and am a faithful reader. Thank you Chuck.
Well said, Lois.
RE: 2%ers…..it could be worse, you could be married to them and have to see & listen to them every night of your life!!
Keep up the great work at RV Travel. Your efforts to ‘eliminate’ the vitriol of the 2%ers from your publication is appreciated.
Good decision! Let these miserable people go,elsewhere.
Good on you guys.!
Thank for your editorial on the 2 percenters. I think we are all tired of these folks. We all have much more in common than some think. Decency, kindness and mindfulness have never changed, we don’t need to tolerate disrespect, meanness nor bullies.
Well said! We all have more in common than we do in difference. Allowing ourselves to be blinded by our own biases and prejudices is sad indeed. If everyone thought exactly alike, what a boring and less innovative world this would be. We are the leaves of one tree, the waves of one ocean. Let’s all remember that and celebrate and embrace our diversity of thought!
Thank you Chuck. RVTravel is your creation and you own it. You have the freedom to administer it as you see best. If someone doesn’t agree then they can curb their tongue or leave. The rest of us will continue to support you and appreciate what you do and what you have done over the years.
I for one will continue to hang out here with the people who like me enjoy the world of RVing and I will continue to contribute to you and your staff’s work.
Thanks Chuck. At some point we have to discourage the few obnoxious posters, yet I’m always concerned about censorship which runs rampant in the media. Perhaps allowing the comments to remain but blocking the person posting them. I’m a moderator on NextDoor and a lot of comments are reported for one reason or another. I seldom, if at all, block the comments, even if I don’t like it, unless profanity is used or one person is directly attacking another. It’s a tough position to be in for sure and hats off to you for dealing with it.
We here in Canada pride ourselves in having a tolerant and inclusive attitude but even here in the Great White North our politics has become so one sided that those who you described, both from the extreme political left and right, have become louder and more obnoxious! I applaud you and your position. It’s not censorship, it’s common decency! Many of us out here are sick and tired of these people too!
Free Speech…. sometimes the rude and obnoxious people who you can tell are lets say “socially challenged” create the most entertaining part of this newsletter comments….I dont take them seriously at all. They will be missed…
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John,
Please don’t confuse free speech with freedom from consequences.
We have in no way limited anyone’s ability to stand on the street corner or public square and say whatever they want.
We invite all of you into our place of business for some polite and civil discussion, or as Chuck said “talking around our campfire”. If someone abuses that, they lose that invitation to participate.
Sorry Mr. Johnson. I meant to reply to Chuck. lol.
Chuck,
I totally agree with your ban of disrespectful readers. RV Travel is no place for the few to voice their mean spirited comments.
I have been reading your daily newsletter for 4 or 5 years and I know you and your staff work your tails off for the good of all of us who enjoy camping. You are the best!
I read to gain additional wisdom and to learn from others who have been down the trail I’m on. I’m always finding new nuggets to use. Keep up your good work.
Kudos to you Chuck! We all need to be accepting of diversity and respond in a polite manner.
I applaud you on your decision. I am also sick and tired of loud mouth, know it all’s, trying to tell the rest of us how to think. Good for you for standing up and just ignoring (deleting) them!
I agree 100%. If they can’t be civil, they have no business being part of the conversation. Life is too short to deal with those kind of people.
I fully agree with your commentary. The world would be a better place without the 2%…
Please keep up the great news you supply to the interested RVers out here…
THANK YOU!!!
Many thanks and let me say, it’s about time. I have written you a few emails about these comments. There is actually one written about 20 minutes ago that you can start with. The newsletter will be much better for your actions.
While this is a private commercial site and you can make any decision you want to… I would urge you to let the ranters and know-it-alls continue. I’ve never seen such outrageous attacks on free speech as we currently have in society…and the cancel culture which seeks to silence and destroy others for their speech is just downright scary. Just ignore the trolls as that is the worst punishment they can receive. Banning makes them self righteous and proud. Silence is golden.
The problem is, “free speech” has turned into hate speech, lies and conspiracies masquerading as the truth.
Please do give us some examples of “hate speech, lies, conspiracies”.
Im gonna go out on a limb here and predict your answers will all be politically 1-sided.
I agree with you, Cam, for the most part. This is not a “public trust” such as a newspaper is considered to be. This is a dedicated forum for those that love camping and their fellow campers. Rude, hateful or vulgar comments are neither desired nor appreciated. Chuck is only trying to make his platform a comfortable place for the exchange of ideas and knowledge concerning the camping world. I am sure he will be most discerning regarding exclusions.
Joe White — At RVtravel.com we appreciate all points of view as long as they are presented with respect. If facts are presented they must be more credible than those the person read on Facebook or Twitter, or saw on cable TV. We love open-minded discussion, but we have no use for those individuals who, as the late-motivational speaker Zig Ziglar said, have “hardening of the attitudes.”
As we used to say in the 60s & 70s…Right On!
Chuck, while I agree with your comments about rude and obnoxious people, I think you are on a slippery slope. Like many of the social media sites, you are deciding who can and can’t practice their first amendment rights and will censor them as you see fit.
I believe you have the right to do so, but should have just done it without expounding upon it. Just my opinion. Today’s world is going crazy and for many of us older folks, we wish we could go back to a better time, but alas it isn’t to be.
Ever newspaper editor has experienced the 2 percenters. The editor of this newsletter is following a fine American tradition, sending bullying and hateful letters to the circular file. He is right and honorable to let readers know and discuss this…he did not have to explain his reasons. There are good Americans amongst us, they need our support.
I agree Chuck. Oh, look at that beautiful blue sky and white puffy clouds. Response from the 2% – “the sky looks grey to me and those are rain clouds ” Ha, good bye.
Amen
It seems acceptable to set aside those who abuse comment sections. The ability to comment anonymously gives those harboring bully tendencies, strength. I suspect those who write hateful comments, would never do so face to face. Unfortunately, this is the downside of living in the digital age. While I favor censoring personal attacks, I do not support censoring thought and opinions. As we all know, there are topics so volatile, that it brings out the worse in some and those topics should be avoided. I agree with another comment posted today, that you should put more thought in to what is or is not acceptable and let us know. Separating our own leanings can be challenging. If prudent, you will have the support of your audience and make this a better place.
Unfortunately it is no longer so true that these people would not say some of these things to your face!! We are astounded at how many people consider such ugly, disrespectful comments the new “small talk”.
Thank you
Won’t miss them !
I couldn’t be happier that you are going to delete the disrespectful comments and ban further comments. Very disturbing trend happening in our world these days.
Maybe you could stop publishing articles that have nothing to do about RV life? Just a suggestion, not a rant. Not a politically based opinion, just a suggestion.
Thank you Steve for voicing an opinion, without getting personal or rude.
Just a suggestion, like TV, one can change the channel or choose not to watch a certain program. Such is the nature of newsletters.
Well said. Stick to what you do best. Politics is not your forte – you are too nice.
Good riddance. I really enjoy rvtravel and read it every day.
That’s great! I’m sick of the anger and disrespect that people are putting out there – regardless of political affiliation. I support your decision wholeheartedly.
You are correct, Carla. This is not a political site. This arena is for those that enjoy the out of doors and their fellow campers. As for me, I don’t care what adjectives could describe a person but only care if you adopt the positive atmosphere that identifies with the camping spirit.
Good for you, Chuck! It’s your website, and you can certainly ban whomever you want to. And I’m sure the 98% of your readers who are sane, normal folk, will be more than happy to not see the other 2% berating you and everyone else!more power to you, and thank you!
Hear, Hear!!
He can run his newsletter any way he wants to. Get over it.
Free speech is one of the fundamental reasons are country fought for its independence. Back then when person spoke his mind in the town square if you didn’t like what he was saying or how he was saying it you simply had to walk away or tune it out. It is a right to speak out against you government or leaders. In formal meetings speech had rules such as no profanity etc and a person not following the rules could be gaveled down with a point of order. Today, even on digital platforms it should be the same. On this site you have the right to set the rules such as no profanity, no name calling or innuendo. I believe if you post a commentary an invite discussion you should allow discussion, but at the point it violates the rules, cease that persons comments at the point before it violates the rules and post “a point of order” so we (the reader and the rule violator) know. The discussion remains orderly and the unruly will either change their habits or they will go elsewhere.
We are in this group (camping people) to enjoy our time, not to be obnoxious or disrespectful. Leave that outside as there is way to much of that right now. If that is what you are wanting, there are plenty of other options. Please not here.
Thankyou!
Lots of jerks out here! I posted on another site real RVers jump at a chance to helppeople, give real advice and are respectful. I was at a park and was to trying to remove my tow and the man next to us with many years of experience stoped what he was doing and came over and showed me a quick way. I had many experiences like that. As a thank you just go out and pass it on helping someone else thats what the world needs! I pass it on if you stay at a Walmart pick up trash in the parking lot gather up the carts and put them away!
You are a positive element in the RV community. Thank you!
Way to go Chuck!
Amen from a. 98%
Well said. I have grown tired of the self-righteous jerks that add nothing and disrupt anything positive. They are entitled to their opinion and should keep it to themselves if they can not be polite and respectful. I have enjoyed reading RVtravel but must admit have cut back due to the very type of discourse you are trying to prevent. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you !
Thank you for providing a place that we can fully enjoy. It great to have aplace where I know it is shared with people who want to have the same experience. I too am so weary of people on sites that just want to be belligerent. Jayco Owners Forum Moderators have successfully used your new policy for quite some time.
I am so glad you have chosen to do that which others are afraid to do in this current social climate. Let disrespectful people know that they are not welcome and ban them from the rest of us that want a considerate panel of discussion. If one can not agree to disagree at times, with due respect, then leave the “room” and take your anger to an appropriate counselor for mitigation. I found this newsletter about a year ago and have ,found it to be a most helpful (as I am a newbie at RVing) and entertaining site. Thank you again for cleaning the site of distasteful and rude people. Happy Camping from Joe Camper!
It doesn’t sound like RV Travel is censoring anyone, just ensuring polite/respectful discourse. Like the saying goes, “disagree without being disagreeable”. Rules of engagement are a good thing, personal attacks are not. Thanks Chuck.
Thank you. Taking America back
Thank you.
Many people don’t, or won’t, see the difference between reasoned discussion and being rude. Some get their jollies from being jerks. Banning someone for being rude is neither censorship nor “cancel culture.” The 1st A only prohibits government restrictions on speech. Private businesses, individuals and society itself can set and enforce rules that people conduct themselves with respect for others. If you are unable to have a discussion without breaking those rules, then you need to rethink your own communications skills. And this does not limit anyone’s free speech because there are millions of other forums on the Internet to express oneself.
Well said
I agree with Chuck. I also think that anonymous comments on all social media and other public forums should be discarded. If you aren’t willing to say something in person and with your name attached then why is it proper to do so in an online setting. Let them go elsewhere.
I long for the days when it was not possible to read a story and know someones personal politics. Newspapers had real editors and you could take their information to the bank. Chuck and the people that work with him are those kind of people. Not all stories on RVtravel will be positive and uplifting, some will necessarily reflect real life.
I like all stories about RVs, the people and companies that make them, the people that sell them and fix them, the places you can go with them and of course the people that own them.
Thank you Chuck and the staff! We appreciate what you do.
Larry Fuller
I agree with you Larry. Unfortunately the days of good newspapers are apparently gone. About 3 years ago our local Stockton Record let ALL of their editorial staff go. Now it has nearly zero local news and all of the national national news is reprinted from other sources like AP. It doesn’t even have any classified adds to speak of anymore. It’s really sad how we have to get our news today.
It might be fun to post an edited version of the ranting posts. Usually they are not using good grammar or spelling -indicating their level of smarts. FFRF gets a lot of negative email and I enjoy the idiocy of the posters.
Oh, now I know who he’s talking about…
Love your response to the rude obnoxious individuals.
Stick to your standards, we are with you.
Sorry, this site is about educating and informing the RV community. Disagreeing about a method, task , or product is fine, until one crosses the line and makes it personal. There are other sites that are appropriate for personal attacks, this is not one of them. In this case, Chuck is right. He has the right to create the environment he wants until he requires payment for access.
Steven, if I started to yell at you and tell you how stupid your comment was and that you were as ignorant as a rock, would you take offense at that? It’s my “right to free speech” to say so isn’t it? This is a free and open environment, right? Of course I WOULD NEVER say that to you as I allow all people to have their opinion. But with all things, there is a a place and time for all but ONLY if it is done with courtesy and respect which some refuse to do. Happy Camping to you, Steven.
Great write up! Aren’t folks leaning this way or that still humans and all equal? Thought I read that somewhere….
Yes, Michael Lloyd, that is the way it should be. But too many people these days are so ignorant they don’t even consider that.
Way to go Chuck
We read RVTravel because of what you post every day.
Keep up the excellent work.
I thought RVing was meant to be a joy and stress reliever. When did everything change to a political statement ? I missed that nationwide warning. I have very strong, deeply held political beliefs which I state in loud terms in all the appropriate places. A forum for RVers is not that place. Thanks for your service and well-stated action plan.
This step will improve participation! There are other groups I belong to and people have gotten to the point where they don’t share anymore because of having their , idea, opinion, story, etc. bullied and bashed by the deliberately mean people.
You are right on Chuck. You could substitute Seattle for several other locations as well like CA. or NorCal, or Democrats, etc. etc. You and your staff have my full support for all that that means.
Don Driever, I have already been called a left wing socialist (or worse) many times today. The fact is, my political beliefs through the years have been mostly moderate. But these accusers claim to know more about me than I know about me. Go figure! We need to get rid of these creeps. There are so many kind, respectful, intelligent people in our audience — that’s most of our readers. They deserve a place to meet and discuss what’s on their minds without being called names from angry, mentally deficient people who never managed to grow up. We hope they all leave the room, the sooner the better.
Well, write something that leans right wing, guarantee you’ll see the venom from the other side as well.
Its your site but if you’re going to get political, either way, you’re going to get pushback from the other side, or people who are just sick of politics all around.
Great. Could not happen at a better time. I was getting tired of the negative comments that were basically irrelative to the issue and basically not reading the comments. Congratulations guys.
George Forest — the know-it-alls have been out in force this morning and most think they are somehow punishing us by unsubscribing! Wrong! We celebrate each one that leaves. Let’s bring civility back to the conversation on this website. Let all the intellect-deprived cowards who hide behind the Internet show their ignorance and disrespect elsewhere. And, frankly, for every one of them that unsubscribes, we’ll end up with 20 new intelligent, respectful subscribers, many of whom will greatly add to the quality of information on this website. I am looking forward to a new, respectful audience with the brain power to comment intelligently, not out of ignorance. I’m so happy about seeing all the mean-spirited people go!
Thank you Chuck, your words were inspiring. Nothing worse than a know it all.
It is perfectly fine to “ prevent them from joining the discussion”. Just be aware that you then have a one sided discussion. Facebook, Twitter, and all the social media already does this too. This is a very effective method of silencing conservative people. Soon it will be impossible to go back to how this country was set up. Lots of people will feel very happy then. My recommendation is to include the Bible in your reading. Paul teaches how to handle these rude and hateful people. Everyone can learn something from Scripture!
We can still have a discussion without it being one-sided. Chuck is not wanting those who disagree with him to leave – he wants those who are rude, angry and disrespectful to others to leave.
There is a difference between discussing issues with an open mind vs don’t confuse me with the facts my minds made up know it all attitude. Words matter and it is very easy to recognize those that are hated filled. Hiding behind the safety of your computer does not excuse rude behavior.
Well it is interesting that you would say what you did surely knowing it would illicit negative possibly inflamed comments. It is well within your right to do so. Also interesting that the two sorta kinda political comments were still allowed.
Personally I don’t mind political or religious comments as I read them in our local paper all the time. The bullying though is another matter and should not be allowed as it does keep others from giving their opinions.
oh well keep giving us the info on RV’S, RV travel etc.
The fairness doctrine should be in play for everyone. It’s just depends on how one defines Fairness. I guess Your definition is the one that matters since you own this publication.
Isn’t it amazing how the anonymity of the web makes some people so brave? I have noticed this trend on many sites. Stick to your guns and ban them!
Well said Chuck, it’s happening on all social media sites and is getting worse. Cowards sitting behind computer screens demeaning or bullying other people because they have nothing better to do…pretty sad mindset for an adult. Had to be said so well done and you are supported and appreciated by many for the outstanding job both you and your staff do each week for all of us!
Oh and P.S…I just sent a donation as this post just reminded me that it’s worth every penny and hope others send a little something too! Thank you!
Thank you Chuck for that breath of fresh air!!!
I totally agree with you Chuck! I appreciate the service you provide. Thank you!
How do we block a rude commenter? I’m guessing that since we don’t log into this site, we can’t do that.
I’m also guessing that you can block them. And I think you should. 2020 is bad enough, we don’t need jerks, too.
To the “free speechers”: Yep, you are free to speak. On the other hand: If speech is FREE, then, to me, it may not worth a dime. I have seen people kicked out of restaurants for their use of language. Some opinions have even gotten people kicked out of bars. They disrupted the atmosphere that the owner has tried to create for his customers. Chuck has every right, and thankfully, has done so here.
Chuck, you and your staff have been more than patient with the trolls. Thanks for keeping them under the bridge.
While I agree that those few can be a total pain in the butt, I don’t know if censoring them is the best answer. What standard do you set in deciding who can stay and who must go? What level of disagreement is to be considered disrespectful? I think a better solution is to just ignore those comments (good or bad) and if they don’t get the attention they want, most (if not all) will eventually go away. Don’t let frustration get the best of you.
Hi, Curtis. We are very tolerant of most comments, but here’s an example of what we won’t tolerate. There were a couple of comments that came in from an individual (“jerry”) last night in response to my having “bleeped” a derogatory word in one of his comments and his very rude remark about Congressman Lewis in yesterday’s RV Travel newsletter. I had to delete them (they were offensive and inflammatory, to say the least), but I refer to them in my response as follows:
“Hi, jerry. Pursuant to your two later comments this evening where you asked us to remove you from our lists, after basically telling me what I could do to myself (the first time anyone has told me that, or even anything close to that, in my almost 74 years) for bleeping a derogatory word from your comment, and calling all of us at RVtravel.com derogatory names, and making a disparaging comment about Congressman Lewis, you have been removed from our mailing lists and banned from making any further comments. But to end our “relationship” on a positive note, I will leave you with these words from the late and great Congressman John Lewis: ‘Walk with the wind, brothers and sisters, and let the spirit of peace and the power of everlasting love be your guide.’”
So, no, Curtis, we won’t leave anything like his comments in there until the commenter “eventually go(es) away.” I’m very thick-skinned (probably more so than most), but there was no way I wanted our readers to be subjected to his obscenities. Take care, and stay healthy. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com
OK, now you have my attention. I guess that since I live on the East Coast that I’m a “Right Winger”? I believe that my political views are moderate and will vote for the person and their platform and not the party.
NUFF SED!
This is not a political newsletter, Lord knows there are plenty of those, and NO, o do not subscribe.
I am college educated, ran a successful appraisal business am now “retired” living in S/W Florida and in S/E Pennsylvania. Currently, we are in our RV enjoying a site in Florida.
Try to read this and other RVT news letters seven days a week, but sometimes not in the day they come out.
I want to thank you all for putting out a well thought out and informational publication.
I look forward to reading the information as well as the comments on everything. Don’t want to waste time on political BS and blaming political parties for this and that. I becomes tiresome and annoying.
Thank you for publishing Congressman’s Lewis letter. It was profound coming from such a historical figure that experiences history as it was being written. Regardless of your religious or political beliefs, he was a man who suffered and fought for his rights and freedom.
May he Rest In Peace!
Looking forward to tomorrow’s and many, many more editions.
Be safe, wash your hands and wear a mask!
You dont want to hear politics yet you praise this site for writing a political article and make a very clear statement about your stance on masks – but you dont want to get poltical 🙂
The world has so many problems now, that a faceless jerk who can use a keyboard to add to the contagious negativity should be blocked. Chuck is the best, tries his best, and the rest of us are the best who love life and think positively the best we can. Down with the creeps!
I get those nasty attacks when I make comments on FB post. My question to those people: “why do you find the need to call people nasty names, sometimes profane, because you don’t agree with them? Why can’t you just respectfully post your own opinion?” They won’t reply respectfully because they can’t. They either don’t know how or are just on the prowl looking for people to attack.
Lately, often they will come back and delete their post.
Thank you! I have stopped reading the comments at times because I don’t need negativity around me.
Bravo Zulu! (Good job in Navy speak)
I totally agree with you. Too bad it has come to this. So sad!
Please give such an ignoramus 2 or 3 warnings that they should be more polite and respectful of others or you’ll block their postings. At the 3 time, just cut them. No additional explanations. No further contact.
Chuck has already given his warning, and that one is enough. No second or third chances!
Definitely a wise decision. People that engage in those disrespectful behaviors are a cancer on the community.
I remember a time when you could discuss and different views were offered and respected. Now it’s like taking a chance with your life. Thanks for taking a stance
I have to ask . What was the comment that was so bad ? It was taken down even though editor post said would leave for all to see. Was it Chucks a liberal or maybe he has bad breath. We need to know so we don’t set him off and get band. But it seems like every time he injects politics in the news letter the same thing happens he complains of angry comments and he wants part of the readers to leave. That seems short sighted to me. Much like the way Chuck complains about rv industry only looking at this year’s profit and not at the future.
banned, not band.
do you really feel like you need to correct everyone’s spelling, what meanness
Hey Vic, we took down the post because it was beyond rude, it was vulgar.
If Chuck writes an opinion piece you think is politics and you don’t like it, say so. Civilly, I might add. It’s part of the discussion, good bad or indifferent. If we all viewed the world the same way how boring would that be?!
More specifically to your question: we have a privacy policy, terms of service and commenting rules. You agree that you have read, understand and will abide by them when you click the checkbox when posting a comment. If you read those and have questions or something is unclear feel free to email editor (at) rvtravel.com and ask for an explanation or clarification.
But to be clear, you have to try really, really, really hard to get the boot.
You’ve got my vote. I have opinions about a lot of things, just as everyone does, but I’m old enough to understand that I don’t know everything, and part of what I “know” may be inaccurate. So I’m happy to debate almost anything, with almost anybody, because that’s how I try to weed-out the misinformation, and, hopefully, get a bit smarter in the process. That only works when you can disagree without being disagreeable!
I think it really interesting that those that tend to be the nastiest at judging you are the same folks who’s sensitivities get riled up about profiling, injustice, race, privilege, etc. and they are doing exactly what they claim to be offended about. There is a word for that, hypocrite and it is not a compliment.
Those that resort to being loud mouthed and nasty instantly defeat themselves because all of instantly stop listening/reading to whatever their point is at the first nasty or hateful word.
I disagree with Curtis below. #1 I believe censoring them is the correct thing to do as it is the same as ceasing to listen to them, you already know they do not have a valid point because they are presenting it in a nasty manner. #2 Chuck already offered his criteria, if you are a nasty jerk you are gone, but if you present your objection in a civil manner your thoughts are welcome.
Let me guess, the people getting “riled up” all disagree with your political views am I right?
Thanks Chuck! I fully support your action. I was VERY close to responding to what I thought was an unnecessary, trivial and critical comment that someone posted earlier this week. But I decided the author wasn’t worth my time. Your solution is the best one.
Unbelievable! We get medicationss via mail order regularly as we travel. i’ve written a note to NOT use this RV Park. Checking the TL Book they’re not even in there! Guess I can figure out why. Heart-breaking to read and listen to the video. Glad they’ve learned to “roll with the punches.”
I welcome this change VERY MUCH. I actually stopped reading a few months ago, then I heard about your beautiful tribute to John Lewis, and stopped in to read more. Sadly, I knew you would receive racist feedback from that article. My wife and I are contemplating going full time next year, but reading comments from so many in the community is making us reconsider. Who wants to be in a campground filled with ignorance? I salute you!!
Buy your own RV acreage. Thats what I did. Have one in Missouri and looking for a second out West. So glad I had it this Spring when the COVID blew up.
We have been full timing for a year. The jerks are the same proportion as everywhere else. Don’t let the idea that all full timers not being awesome deter you. Most are really nice and super helpful.
What evidence do you have anyone disagreeing with the article was racist?
Whats funny to me about these comments is the complete lack of self-awareness many of you have.
You complain about others being nasty then turn around and hurl nasty accusations/insults at others.
I disagree with your resolution of those you feel are being disrespectful. Why not try sending those people the following:
HI (whatever name you choose) we received your comments today and felt they were being very disrespectful to the person or persons you were referencing. As an example (explain their fault). As a result, we have chosen to NOT print your response, however, if you wish to re-phrase your message, so that while expressing your point of view, shows respect for others, we will gladly publish your opinions. Please read our “commenting rules” before you reply. A “no reply” on your part will result in your being permanently banned from posting your points of view on our web site.”
I had more to say, but I got a message that my input was too long.
Chuck has responded in this fashion many times over the years.
Hey Pete, staff (mainly Diane) regularly edit comments if most of the comment is OK, but the commenter used some spicy language or a vulgar reference. Usually the commenter chuckles a little and says “OK, I will try to be better” and it’s all’s well that ends well.
In one case this weekend however, a person whose comment was edited became abusive toward staff, and we will not tolerate such behavior, ever, period. full stop.
Being reasonable with a person who is being unreasonable isn’t particularly effective. Sometimes, you just have to put some distance between you and people like that.
You are ABSOLUTLY correct. I used to be a sales manager and I told all my staff to be polite to the customer but if they started abusive / vulgar language then hang up or ask them to leave. No one has the right to be abusive to another. BTW…I love this site and thank all involved in creating it for our needs and entertainment.
I just come here to read the articles, I had not, until tonight, ever seen the comments section! Silly me!
Same here!
The replies can be so useful because they can expand on a topic or provide useful related info. Kind of like Amazon reviews.
The phrase I use for such people is “aggressively ignorant” – it’s not something that’s inherently “right” or “left”, since there are people of this sort on both sides.
Chuck, many years ago in a discussion with a pastor friend of mine, I noted that God had made one mistake. God had made us upside down, at the time in our lives when we were making the most important decisions about our future life, we were to dumb and uninformed to make them. His reply has stuck with me through the years. “That’s why he made Grandparents”. I thought about that for a long time and came to realize the sheer simplicity and truth of the remark.
I am afraid too many of our current society didn’t have access to grandparents. It shows in almost every section of todays hectic life. And unfortunately it is being passed down to the next generation.
While I could argue the rights of all to express there opinions, I can also understand your right to exclude those who didn’t learn from a loving grandmother as I was blessed to have.
God Bless and keep up the good work.
What happened to civil discourse in our society? Is there no place for it anywhere? Can somebody KINDLY explain to me why posting a tribute to a civil rights icon who led by peaceful example, who HAPPENED to be a politician, why is this “not appropriate” on the editors page??? Chuck wasn’t making a political statement at all. He was honoring a man who devoted HIS LIFE to equality for black people, who did so by marching peacefully, enduring beatings by white racists, and promoting love and understanding of all Americans. Again, WHY is this not appropriate in his column? If you don’t care for racial equality (and there are far too many people who feel this way), then don’t read the article, just move on to whatever article you want. It’s a free country but too many abuse this privilege out of personal self interest, and they totally disregard the feelings and freedoms of other Americans.
This is supposed to be a website devoted to news for RVers and even a safe haven from the other news and opinions out there. Once you deviate from that mission, you lose a little credibility. Not sure what John Lewis did for the RV industry but he was no Gary Bunzer. But my sympathies go out to those on the staff who have a sense of loss over this.
I understand and appreciate your reasoning, Doug. In my opinion these are truly difficult times for most people. My wife and I have sheltered in our home for just over 4 months now, as she takes medicine to suppress her immune system – getting Covid could be very serious for her. We and so many others have not been able to visit our families on both coasts since then. Many people are unemployed, and have also lost their health insurance. The news is filled with public unrest in the streets, and incredibly slanted political discourse. We don’t watch the news anymore, we read it online so we aren’t subjected to all the negativity.
Yes, the focus of this publication is all-things RVing, and most of the content should stick to that. But during these very difficult times it is so nice to read stories of positivity and words of encouragement. I found comfort and positivity in John Lewis’s words that Chuck posted here. Hard to find that when you stick to news RV sales and repairs
Funny you dont see the problem. Everything you said is a bunch of 1-sided politically charged rhetoric.
I for 1 am not here for politics, right, left, or anything in between. Im here for RV info.
Hello Chuck Loneoutdoorsman here. Please be very careful with censorship. Don’t let the things people say get your tit in a wringer. These 2%ers are a hoot and whatever they say gives me a better understanding of ”what’s out there.”
Agreed – we have much to learn from the unenlightened.And I find laughing at these folks is the best medicine.
Hi Loneoutdoorsman,
Commenting on RVtravel.com is a service we add to benefit our readers and further discussion. When a commenter is rude, crude, uses abusive language or verbally assaults other readers or RVtravel.com staff, deleting their comments and banning them from participating in further commenting on this website isn’t censorship, it’s taking a stand for basic decency.
We don’t have to agree, or even like what others have to say. In fact, disagreement often leads to enlightenment. But we demand that the discussions be civil. Civility isn’t a burden and we should not allow it to be claimed as such. It’s a basic requirement of a polite society.
We want ALL readers to feel welcome and to participate in discussion. But if a someone is so lacking in social skills that they cannot be polite to others, they will reap the rewards of their own behavior. We have commenting rules and if you follow them, your comment won’t be deleted.
IE. bouncing those without manners. Great news. We read this to relax, not to get fired up.
Chuck’em Chuck!
Good one, Gary! 😆 —Diane at RVtravel.com
LOL…You so Funny…love it.
he is the reason for all the meanness
maybe you should reread Chuck’s article
Just speaking some real truth
Uh oh! Don’t go there! LOL
Right. Let’s all pay attention to that so we don’t have to pay attention to why they’re demonstrating in the first place.
demonstrating or rioting, can you tell the difference? peaceful protesting or just plain meanness!
Yes I can tell the difference.
Burning buildings, attacking police, burning cars, killing children = demonstrations ?????
Because of the massively Disproportionant amount of black on white crime that TV never mentions?
Btw, rioting, beating, and killing does not = demonstrating.
Become informed and you will change you view. I guarantee. Avoid talking points and dig for information on your own. It will be rewarding, I promise.
I love this move! I have noticed the same on other camping social media groups I subscribe to. There are a few that cannot help themselves. I wonder, what satisfaction comes from responding with hateful or unhelpful comments? Why not just pass on by instead of wasting your time. I don’t get it, but I am happy you are doing something about it.
I definitely agree with the article. I used to live not far from Seattle born and raised. Poeple don’t understand. That the idiots come from all political parties, and affiliates. We just have to respect each others rights and beliefs no matter how we think things should be
Thank you Chuck for taking a stand against rude and verbally abusive people.
Thank you for everything you and your staff do to help inform me of what’s going on in the RVing world. You’re appreciated!
Bravo!!! Keep up the amazing work that you and the rest of the staff do. Thanks a zillion.
Way to go Chuck! It has become so nasty to all those people who work hard on the internet. You are not alone in being trashed and disrespected. I can’t tell you on how many sites I have seen this on. You all work hard to get us the best information out there. Keep up the good work.
Well said, Chuck. Civility is sadly becoming a lost commodity. Keep up the good work.
Please do what you gotta do. I enjoy your publication. Keep up the good work. I will get my political abuse elsewhere. 🙂
Too good. Don’t do emojis but I’m sure there’s one that’s double yours. Yea, you can get abused almost anywhere online. Why here?! Thanks, Chuck.
The beautiful noise you hear on the horizon is the rising thunderous applause.
Dale, that’s a nice visual! Thanks.
Hear, hear, well written and timely. Way to go Chuck.
I’m with you Chuck. Some people just have too much free time on their hands.
Thank you, Chuck!
👍 Chuck, we may need to make you a ‘honorary Texan’…
Oh my! What an honor. Wish I were in Texas.
Thank you, Chuck! There is enough hate and discontent on other websites…let them go!
Thank you there is too much hate. People need to learn we are all human beings who basically want the same thing from life but are finding different ways to find what we need.
Crystal, you are so right. Thanks.
Thank you, Chuck. I have quit commenting on most sites because I’m tired of the haters who can’t seem to post a respectful comment if they disagree. So, thank you, thank you, thank you. 🙂
Rebecca, you are welcome. I am sick of the haters too. I think most of them are unhappy people.
You are perfectly within your rights to ban whomever you will from expressing their opinions on your media site. As you know full well, the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights prohibits only the GOVERNMENT from censoring free speech. The press itself is not obligated to present any speech it doesn’t agree with, but instead is free to censor whatever speech it finds objectionable.
I am curious then EXACTLY HOW other social media moguls (far larger and broader then this group) have CENSORED numerous comments, statements and distribution of information with impunity. I work as a QA auditor, live by “trust but verify” and have spent numerous hours verifying the information that has come across various social media and mainstream media sites. Unfortunatly nearly ALL of the information is dispersed on the internet so you relly have to peel the onion to get plausibly good information. With code where I generally live it is MUCH easier. I am seeing a lot of facts or possibly far more plausible information being trashed or censored than what has been dispersed. So to think that ANYONE or any PLATFORM can use an INTERSTATE/INTERNATIONAL vehicle (the fiber network) to censor information is a FASCIST doctrine that has no place in a free society. History was my favorite subject still is and those that do not study and understand it will be bound to repeat it!!
Ideas, comments and information are not in question: the means in witch they are transmitted is the issue. You can’t yell fire in a crowded place. Free speech is to be used with respect. There is no excuse for vulgar, rude or threatening terminology in a private, or any, forum. This isn’t a public trust such as a newspaper, TV station or radio station. All he is asking/doing is requesting people to be cordial and to leave if you can not be civil. Be safe out there & Happy Camping to all!
Joe, so true. Thanks.
Unfortunately for this discussion, unlike traditional media, especially print, social media lobbied Congress to be exempted from libel law and bought what they wanted. Libel law says that if you “speak” something false about someone or publish a falsehood, you must retract it in the same media you published it in. There is no such thing under libel law as “free speech” if you’re not speaking accurately or truthfully. The remedy is retraction. Or you get sued. Obviously, there is a huge gray area here and people say all sorts of things that are half-(assed) right or wrong. Inevitably, in a platform like this, as an editor, you have to decide where to draw the line. Where does a discussion simply leave the rails into fact-less vitriol and contempt. The internet is replete with these furies of vitriol and contempt. I just drop out of the discussion as a participant. No time to waste convincing dented brains. As an editor, you have an obligation to edit speech.
Douglas, you and I both know that people who do not study, respect and celebrate history are not qualified to comment about the issues of the day with any credibility.
Carson, You wonder if some of our readers didn’t pay attention in their high school civics class and learn that. I don’t think some of them made it out of eighth grade, which might be the explanation.
Thank you Chuck! Such a relief. Now we can get on getting on!😎😎
Chuck, I admire and respect what you do but I have to point out some hypocrisy here… at the same time you are banning those with negative things to say, you post a guest essay “How we spare you from wasting your time finding good RV information”
In that essay the writers post a quote from Dominick Zarcone, president and CEO of LKQ, then tell us that even after re-reading the statement they still don’t understand it. Despite that, they proceed to provide us with a butchered translation of what he must have meant. Unfortunately, they chose to cast Mr Zarcone as nothing more than a greedy slave driver.
Frankly, it strikes me as hypocritical to ban readers for negative comments including denigrating others, while choosing to feature this essay that besmirches the reputation of Mr Zarcone – all in the name of helping readers from wasting time?!? I do not know him, but I believe a retraction or an apology to that fellow human would be appropriate.
Brad K., That was written by Russ De Maris under his byline. Mr. Zarcone’s wishy washy, incredibly poorly written and confusing statement would make any English teacher cringe. I think Russ was reacting more about that than Mr. Zarcone’s message. Geez, I don’t know that I could have figured out what he was saying. Maybe Russ interpreted it wrong. If so, I could understand. Mr. Zarcone is a public figure. With all due respect, we don’t need to apologize to him. Thanks for voicing your opinion without calling me names.
Go Chuck. Unfortunately, the contempt is part of the world we’re living in and that the internet has spawned. I don’t know your politics and, moreover, I don’t care. I come here to learn about RV’ing and I have a question I was going to ask but read your frustration, gotta-get-it-off-my-chest piece first. I am so left-wing that I am in the process of expatriating to Europe because I really can’t stand this country. Just to put it out there.
My mom was the only New Deal Democrat in San Marino, California, one of the two or three wealthiest towns in L.A and at the time the Western Headquarters of the John Birch Society. Conservative doesn’t even come close to describing the town I grew up in. Everybody knew my mother’s politics and mine. And the parents of my best friends often felt it was their duty to convert me. That was growing up. But you know what. We argued politics and agreed to disagree. We never impugned the other. That’s what’s lost.
“we never impugned the other. That’s what’s lost”…
Agree Curtis,
And, my fear is that it might get lost on this site too; see my post below…
Brad
Curtis Dowds, as a child you were taught to “agree to disagree.” If only today’s know-it-alls had been taught that. As it is, they know everything. So everyone who disagrees with them is wrong. It must be wonderful to be so intellectually gifted. I consider myself smart, but, geez. . . I am not right about everything and am not so stupid to pretend I do.
Chuck, it’s interesting that you were offended by an assumption from a obvious conservative. It’s interesting that almost every time someone wants to censor someone’s comments, those comments seem to be of a conservative nature.
I am personally offended by your obvious liberal leanings and your comments had become so offensive to me, that I just started deleting your newsletters without reading them, until I noticed the subject on this most recent post. My experience is that censorship is the typical reaction of liberals/leftist/socialists to conservatives. You’ll notice that my response to you was to just avoid reading liberal drivel. It’s a shame because I learned a lot from your newsletters. If you avoided those liberal comments and attitudes in your editorials, I’d still be able to read your newsletter and continue to learn from the great articles. I expect that you will find my comments to be offensive.
Marvin, why, for God’s sake, do you continue to read RV Travel? If you are personally offended by my “obvious liberal leanings,” then take your reading elsewhere.
At all other large RV information websites there is absolutely no discussion beyond the same ol’ “how to do this,” “how to do that,” and “we went here and did that.” I suggest you unsubscribe from our newsletters and take your reading elsewhere. Or email me with your phone number and I will call and you can explain all your problems with RVtravel.com to my face (well, sort of). And, about your statement “My experience is that censorship is the typical reaction of liberals/leftist/socialists to conservatives.” Fine. That’s your view. I don’t buy it.
I think it is best you just find another website about RVing. There are hundreds of good ones, although none as good as ours.
You know, you reacted to my comment exactly the way I expected, in anger. Your reaction is exactly what you were complaining about from your readers. Why is it okay for you to get angry but not your readers. I’m not angry and I do not think I expressed any anger; frustration yes.
Your reaction seems to confirm my previous observation.
I don’t have any problems with RVtravel. You are correct it is a great website about RVing. We bought our first trailer camper about 5 years ago and I knew next to nothing about RVing before that. I’ve learned a lot primarily from your website and didn’t unsubscribe precisely because that is true. But I have curtailed my reading, due to my perception of the left leaning slant in your editorials.
Sure you have the right to censor anyone you want from these comments, but I hope you will carefully consider how you apply that right.
Let it go, Marvin. You said your piece. I need to move on.
The question is Marvin,
Why are YOU so offended by anybody that has a so called, “liberal” opinion?
If he’s conservative why wouldn’t he be offended?
Does it please you to hear someone push views that attack yours?
You know what they say, don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. Anybody who can’t play nice in the sandbox needs to be given the boot…so long, farewell, we don’t need your stinkin’ attitude!!
For anybody who tries to bully the conversation by throwing in politically charged attacks on an RV newsletter is…well to be blunt, they’re the south end of a north bound mule (think about it…if the mule’s head is facing north follow the line of equine anatomy to the tail end)!! Personally, the level of lunacy from these type of people far exceeds my level of patience and/or tolerance.
Chuck Woodbury, you have been one of my top 2 go-to’s (you and Gary Bunzer, the RV Doctor, God bless his soul) for honest and reliable information for all things RV related.
Good for you Chuck! The internet and social media has given trolls a wonderful stomping ground where they can dump their word litter as they please. Imagine if there was a rule where people had to use only their real names online? That would quiet most folks as they’d be too embarrassed to behave that way with people knowing who they are. However, even with that in place, there would still be those who would continue to be obnoxious, rude, and even mean spirited to outright hateful online. You have the power to block these trolls. Hopefully that doesn’t become a fulltime job in and of itself. 🙂
Best,
-Mark
I love the discourse in ” ‘Merka” right now. It came to be that a couple of decades ago the only place to find today’s level of hate and disrespect was in “Yahoo forums”. Remember those days long ago where everyone was free to comment or remember mainstream news organizations that gave everyone an open forum to act their natural selves? If you are like me you just couldn’t believe some of the things that were said there. You couldn’t believe that some small group of people had that much bile and hate. It was simply something you thought that couldn’t exist in the real world.
Well through the discourse machine of social media and all the money-based entities that stand to gain more power through our discourse. all that atmosphere has somehow come knocking on our very door. It’s now seen all over the streets and the same level of aggression has taken over with road-rage and today “in your face” contention over camping spaces. And it’s only getting worse.
I have recently moved outside of the US, I have to admit. It’s wonderful now to no longer have to qualify as a liberal or conservative to establish a friend base and to be able to seek out friends in an atmosphere where social gatherings never include politics, as that would be considered rude to the point that no one speaks of it. In fact if you want to see what is happening today to our once great American culture, the movie “Idiocracy” I believe is a great insight.
If you are of retirement age I strongly suggest retiring to another country instead of diving into the pool of RV campground battlegrounds that is developing from the current RV road-warrior glut. You’ll spend your final years as a much happier individual and perhaps mentally grow to the point of at last realizing how stupid this donkey vs. elephant mentality is with most everyone pursuing one of the most stupid endeavors one can undertake. Learn outside the influence of today’s propaganda machine.
It’s very refreshing to find someone with the courage and backbone to stand up, lay down and uphold the ground rules to establish a civilized and intelligent discussion forum. Thank you!
Thank you!! I support this 110%. These type people are the reason I do not use social media other than this forum and one RV group. And I appreciate the RV group leaders and moderators for keeping the know it all folks in check. I truly look forward to visiting here to learn and contribute. Thanks again.
Thank YOU, Wayne. We appreciate your kind words and support, and we appreciate you! Take care, and stay healthy. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com
Nobody likes nay sayer all the time. Thoughtful comments should be always be welcomed. I think the TROLLS just die the power trip. I just ignore them and they get bored and move on.
Keep up the good work. There is always something to learn no matter how smart one is.
This issue had the Walk the Plank mouse trap. Very Good and entertaining.
I agree with you, we can disagree , we must be willing to listen.