This is a Liberty Coach, a big, long, luxury motorcoach. A motorcoach is like a motorhome on steroids. It’s like a tricked-out Greyhound bus, with the whole thing gutted and then a million (or two) dollar rolling mansion is built on its chassis. According to Google, a new model like the coach above costs, on average, about $2.7 million dollars.
As you can see from the photos above and below, these coaches are very fancy. I assume they are incredibly well-built. They are not for the average RV buyer, that’s for sure.
Assume you were able to buy one of these at a discounted price of $2.5 million including tax. If you put $250,000 down — that’s 10 percent — and financed it for 15 years at 6 percent interest, your monthly payment would be roughly $20,698. If you’re bad at math, I will tell you that comes out to about $700 a day or $29 an hour. At the end of those 15 years, you would have paid a total of about $3.7 million dollars.
So this is not in the same league as, say, a Minnie Winnie.
My concerns
I admit this RV is very nice looking. But what I do not understand is the dinette, which appears to me to comfortably seat two. Here are my concerns:
• How do those two people get seated? The left entry makes (some) sense, although it’s a big climb to get into. The pole that supports the table prevents sliding to the other end of the table. So the second person would need to enter from the right. Does it appear to you that there isn’t much space to do that? So getting up to fetch a bottle of ketchup or a bottle of wine might be challenging. Maybe the table swivels. If so, that would help, but it would still be inconvenient. For $2.7 million I would expect better.
• What if you had guests? They would need to pull up a couple of very high chairs which, it seems to me, would require a bit of calisthenics. Could they get close enough to the table to avoid extending their arms to reach their plate? Perhaps extra long silverware would be in order.
• I also wonder how a person of average height would reach the cabinets above the dinette. Wouldn’t they need a ladder of some sort? But could it be placed close enough to make reaching the cupboards safe and easy?
Summing up my thoughts on Liberty Coach
If I were to spend millions of dollars on an RV, I would want it to be well-designed for me, not for a photo op, and that applies to the dinette and everything else. I wonder if the designers of this coach had ever spent a night in an RV.
Oh, one more thing. I found some ads for pre-owned Liberty Coaches for right around $1.5 million. Maybe that fits your budget a little better. Maybe they have dinettes that make more sense.
What do you think? Please leave a comment.
(We first told you about this article in November, 2023)
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Totally agree, Chuck! That dinette was certainly not designed to be actually USED. Though I’d assume there must be some mechanism that makes it at least semi-functional. We actually looked at a few of these Prevost based coaches when shopping, though the ones we saw were all at least 10 years old and were still beyond our budget. The older Country Coach we finally bought has a table for two with chairs, and if you want to seat 4 the table slides out of the side wall and there are two folding chairs that we stow in the belly. FAR more functional. But my biggest beef about the Prevosts is that they almost all are outfitted in what I call the “Las Vegas Bordello” school of design. Yikes!
This table design was designed and has been requested by thousands of customers who prefer the dinette this way, and they have been built like this for years. Some people might not like but for those can afford these coaches, this is the way they like their dinettes.
Most of the Prevost conversion are built to the owners design. Newell coaches are also to the owner personal design.
I agree, the dinette doesn’t look very user-friendly or comfortable. I have to admit though, I’m not a dinette fan. We purposely sought out a rig with a table and chairs and we’ve since removed that replacing it with a free standing table. I also agree with your perspective that RV designers have probably never spent a night in a RV. I’m not even sure they’ve seen their designs beyond the paper they drew them on.
Come on, you honestly dont think the designers have seen their designs beyond the paper they drew them on – All engineers/designers review their products – This table design was designed and has been requested by thousands of customers who prefer the dinette this way, and they have been built like this for years. Some people might not like but for those can afford these coaches, this is the way they like their dinettes.
Not user friendly. Looks “rich” and is at 2.7 mil.
I imagine that someone purchasing one of these Coach MH would be paying cash for them and not making a $20K plus monthly payment for 15 years. Heck, they’re putting a $250K down payment (20%), lol!
I worked for Frank C back in the 70s part time when Liberty Coach was working out of FK Pattern & Foundry in North Chicago. We were lowering the floors and converting Greyhound Scenic Cruisers for very rich people. Liberty Coach does not install/make something for the general public if its in that coach the buyer wanted it. Folks that buy these coaches don’t need to finance. You cannot compare a Liberty Coach to a Winnebago that’s like comparing a Cessna 150 to a Lear Jet.
Liberty Coach is a family run operation owned by the Konigseder family. Why not interview Frank Konigseder, and ask about that dinette design, which is one of several they offer, let alone custom options?
Doesn’t make any difference to me. I can’t afford to even walk into this rolling castle, let alone worry about the dinette. 😄😄😄
Maybe the table slides in and out.
I think an assumption is being made that this coach is for normal RVing vice a means of transportation and temporary abode for the celebrities [I hate that word, they are just ordinary folks that got famous] that can afford drivers, chefs, and camp followers. Or perhaps for those that find it repugnant to associate with us “common” folk?
Hi Chuck,
Regarding your article on the Liberty coach dinette design…the table top itself swivels 90 degrees to permit easy entry and exit. It’s actually a great design feature and well thought out. Happy holidays!
It’s obvious that if you can afford this coach that you’ll never sit at this dinette even to drink a glass of wine. This is for looks only as is most of the rest of it. This is transportation only from point A to point B. Lol
Most of the custom luxury RV’s come with a wine cabinet with custom wine glasses. If the owner prefers, they can change to spirits. Coffee drinkers also have a coffee center. Unless they are a touring bus, the people that have these definitely eat and sleep in them.
Actually, the table moves, and is very easy to get in/out. I saw a dinette design almost exactly the same on a London Aire a few years ago.
Exactly…Chuck should have looked into how the table functions before writing an opinion about it.
I, personally, am not a fan of that particular dinette design, but writing without knowing all the facts isn’t fair or valid.
Also, the people buying these coaches are usually heavily involved in design and interior materials selections. These aren’t cranked out on an assembly line under some standard design like production RVs. Each is highly customized to the buyer and what they want.
My 2001 Foretravel has almost the exact Dinette. It actually works well and it quite comfortable. Table slides out to accommodate use and yes seating on the inside requires person next to you to move for access, but it gives users a lot more room. Yes we do carry a couple chairs to use on the open side when entertaining guests. I personally prefer this to the regular Dinette. I did relocate table 8” forward to increase rear access on the end.
I absolutely love your Liberty coach review. At the Tampa RV Show we toured a Liberty coach. Many of the “guest” questioned why so much of the coach was not designed for use but rather a photo op. One of the sales reps actually said most owners don’t live on their coaches but rather have them delivered to a destination. Just like luxury yachts….
In our 20 years in the RV world, I’ve found most of those who can afford such coaches neither cook nor eat within them. They use restaurants and catering services. Some only use them as transportation between hotels/resorts. A totally different mindset. Not better, just different.
Mark Twain would call this conspicuous consumption. I call it a vulgar display of wealth.
Denise, Keep in mind that many of the standard working income individuals in the U.S. are far wealthier than the majority of people in the world who couldn’t imagine owning ANY kind of RV. Undoubtable they might say all of us with an RV and the ability to freely travel show off “vulgar displays of wealth.”
I don’t understand the hatred some have for wealthy individuals and what they have. While a few fall into wealth, most have worked extremely hard and taken significant risk to attain it. They are also usually good at philanthropy. Good for them!
I can’t imagine taking something that costs more than my house on a public street.
I’d imagine the table turns. But definitely not practical.
I don’t know how the dinette actually functions but my humble opinion is that the owners of such opulent rigs probably have others handling such inconveniences.
But hey I guess someone purchased the rig and I imagine they had a myriad of different configurations.
Glad that I don’t have to deal with such inconvenience in my much loved 30’ Bigfoot class C.
Yah, and don’t forget to buy 3 so when the other 2 are in the shop you will have something to tow Rover with!
I think many of us are judging the buyer of a Liberty like this one a bit more harshly than we should. I imagine a very successful owner, that probably started in a TT or Minnie Winnie and a love of RVing. Instead of a Liberty review, some are reviewing what a Liberty buyer looks like and lives like instead of the dinette which probably functions very well.
Perhaps the owner is a disabled widow and yes, she does have a driver to help her see the country in comfort. Possibly a veteran amputee that had a good patent attorney for helpful device, with a driver now helping him see the country. Different strokes.
That style of dinette made a lot of sense before slides were introduced. Most high-end production coaches and converted buses had that shape dinette in the early 2000’s.
Prevost converters were very late to slides compared to other manufacturers. Looks like they still have a “narrow bus” mentality.
The dinette is not that much different than what we have. Our table swivels allowing easy entry and will sit 3 very comfortably however we have had 4 seated using the extension that slides in from below making the table a little wider and using portable chairs. We bought our motorhome with the thoughts that it would be just the two of us with the occasional guest (singular) for a week or so.
Is the slide in or out? There is nothing to say that the couch is not on its own slide.
You’re playing us… a lot of comments… well done…🎅🥳🎅🎊🎅🎉🎅
Thank you, Chuck! I found the RV and picture on Liberty’s website. Unfortunately, I could not confirm with Liberty that the booth slides away from the table. That is my suspicion, but I do not know how it is altered to provide seating for 4. 🙁 Safe travels! 🙂
I love my Prevost Liberty Coach. FMCA Member F544440, Prevost Prouds member.
Hey Chuck – After having booth dinettes in the past, I was thrilled to see this Liberty dinette made similarly by Villa in an American Heritage. I told my husband I didn’t care who manufactured our next Coach, but It Had To Have That Dinette! Fortunately we found it in a Newmar Essex & couldn’t be more pleased as we are full-timers. The aesthetics, storage & space-saving are incredible!
FYI, the table is electrically controlled in/out & up/down at the flip of a switch. We carry 2 folding chairs to accommodate our guests. We wouldn’t consider a Coach with table/chairs. In this RV Life, it all comes down to personal preference!
“I wonder if the designers of this coach had ever spent a night in an RV.” I’ve asked this very same question many times about many different RVs.
All hat, no cattle.
On your Liberty Coach article, the table slides out. It is electrically powered, and with this type coach, you don’t feed more than two. As a saying goes, you can party 10, but feed two and sleep two.
Just touch a button and the table moves in and out or up and down
Chuck, Chuck, Chuck……all you have to do is press a button that controls anything you want that dining table to do retract, move left right rotate….its a fabulous feat of engineering …..
A situation I have noticed on many RV’s is they are still designed for people from the sixties, both shorter and much thinner. Seating for for adults is two adults and two children.
Thank you for the article, Chuck! What steve, Joe, and Engineer all said. The table moves. The picture shows it in travel mode to increase the aisle width. Have a great day and safe travels!