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Getting medical care on the road is no longer a “given”

Planning your RV travels now has a new ­­– and potentially deadly – factor to consider, thanks to COVID-19. Will you be able to get the health care you need as you travel from state to state?

The worldwide pandemic has certainly been a roller coaster of emotional decisions and bureaucratic missteps during the past two years. We all thought we were emerging from the dark place with the advent of vaccines last spring. But then, vaccine hesitancy and breakthrough infections shifted the goalposts.

We won’t go into the wisdom, or lack thereof, of ignoring the vaccines today (at least until the end of this essay). Like everyone else, I’ve got my opinions. We are all entitled to think what we will. But we also need to be aware of the actual fallout of our decisions.

The facts are that while new infection numbers in many states are starting to decline, hospitals in many locations are still totally overwhelmed.

Take Montana, for example

Take my former home state of Montana, for instance. Hospitals throughout the state are operating at well above capacity and are starting to turn away patients.

KTVQ-TV in Billings, Montana, recently reported that the father of a family from Colstrip, a small town about 55 miles east of Billings, was turned away from both Billings hospitals when he needed emergency surgery for a perforated bowel. His wife also tried hospitals in Helena, Bozeman, and Kalispell. All major hospitals in the state said they weren’t in a position to help because of overflowing patient counts due to COVID-19.

Shawn Loyning’s wife, Janelle, finally found a small hospital in Cody, Wyoming, that would take them in. Shawn had to be stabilized in the Cody Hospital’s ER before he could get the surgery, and he nearly died. (He did survive and is doing better now but isn’t out of the woods).

The two Billings hospitals claim they are operating at about 175 percent capacity right now, mostly filled with unvaccinated COVID-19 patients. Administrators at Billings Clinic admit that they are putting patient beds in hallways and conference rooms to try to deal with the burgeoning crowds.

Last week, Montana had the second-highest number of new Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations, per capita, of any state. It’s also one of the least vaccinated states, at 49.3 percent. I’ll leave it to you to decide if that fact is a factor in all of this.

Many other states are struggling, too

Billings and the rest of Montana aren’t the only places that are struggling. Other states and cities are reporting overflowing medical facilities, exhausted staff, scary protocols for rationed care, and a lot of potential “no vacancy” signs for those requiring immediate help. Hospitals in more than 10 states reported their highest rates of COVID-19 admissions in late September.

How does this impact you, the traveling RVer? If you are confident that you can tiptoe down the highways without getting seriously ill or injured, I guess you’re good to go.

But if you are unlucky enough to fall ill or get hurt in one of these hospital “hot spots” during your travels, you’re in trouble. Good insurance or even lots of cash won’t save you.

So, add a little health care hotspot research to the list of things to do when making your travel plans. The fact is many hospitals – including in major U.S. cities – now resemble understaffed Third World village clinics. You’d be wise to precisely understand the medical situation for areas where you plan to travel. Welcome to a new travel reality, at least for now.

Be careful out there … and get your shots.

##RVT1022b

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David
1 month ago

Using CDC numbers and the U.S. population being roughly 333,000,000 you have 0.22 percent chance of dying from covid. You do have a 14 percent chance of getting covid but the trend is downward. You must understand that people are resistant because of how heavily politicized covid has been. Why the suppression of anything that goes against the government’s talking points? Why the suppression of studies that contradict the “party line”? Why the suppression of doctors who have successfully treated covid patients with alternative medicines? It reminds me….

David
1 month ago
Reply to  David

WW2 when the Nazis had a phrase which covered all abuses by the state: “Fur Ihre Sicherheit” “For your safety”

Jerry
1 month ago

Recommendations from Canadian healthcare experts are that regardless of less stringent measures in many US states, Canadian travelers should act as if they were still in Canada. Our regulations and higher vaccination rates have protected us better overall than in the US. Of course, there are some notable exceptions such as Saskatchewan and Alberta, which appear to share the experience of states that border these two provinces. A lower vaccination rate due to vaccine hesitancy and other factors have led to this worsening situation. However, in my home province of Ontario, the daily Covid numbers are on the decline, and the majority of new cases are occurring among the unvaccinated. So, to reiterate, get your shots, wear your masks and practice safe routines in the US, just as you should be doing when home in Canada.

Susan RN MPH
1 month ago

It’s just not worth traveling to states that have such high covid rates and hospitalizations. Even if you don’t need medical care why risk exposing yourself to covid if you don’t have to?

Bob
1 month ago

Getting the shot won’t help! Since I’m diabetic and have had Stents we were offered the Modena vaccine Last February and took it.
We still got COVID in early September. We were sick for 5 days and had zero energy for the next week and a half. Best thing we did was get Hydroxycloriquine(sp?). We started it on on day 5 and we were felt 100% better the next morning!
A month later and we can smell and taste normally now.
What good was the shot?

Retired Firefighter Tom
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Getting the vaccine probably kept you from dying. Other than that…….

T. Helms
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

The shot was never going to stop you from getting infected. It was just suppose to help you fight the virus so you didn’t end up on a ventilator.

Susan RN MPH
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

It kept you from dying.

Diane
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Probably like me, it prevented you from death.

Jim E
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

You seemed to have missed the part about 90% effective. Did you buy insurance for your vehicles? Did you have an accident? If not, why did you buy insurance if you didn’t have an accident or other claim? Your logic is skewed by the crazies out there who believe what is being promoted by purely self-interested big money.

Wayne
1 month ago

Well we do know, or we all should know that down through history governments often became the worst enemies of the people.
And of the worst were those governments that forced medical treatments and procedures on their subjects.
A word to you Jeff. I mentioned below that 50% of NIH employees are shunning the jab. Do you assume they are all “FoxNews” watchers? Is this “science”??
When one resorts to this type of dismissal your adding nothing of value to civilized discussion.

Those of us with many many years have seen a lot of intentional stampeding of the masses. Only to find out the truth years later.

Susan RN MPH
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

The worst governments were those that murdered their own citizens.

And 50% of NIH have not refused to get the vaccination. https://checkyourfact.com/2021/05/21/fact-check-anthony-fauci-cdc-fda-employees-refuse-covid-19-vaccine/

Jim Ek
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

I can’t even follow your logic. 50% of NIH employees shunning the jab (if true) is not science it’s statistics. My mother might say, “If 50% of your classmates jumped off a building would you do it too?”

It was governments who got behind vaccinations for polio and small pox. Was that bad science? I think too many people believe what they see or hear on social media or from their misinformed friends. There are people I know and love who tell outright lies to make their poor choices seem logical.

If you are speaking aginst the Covid vaccine, you are on the wrong side of science, history and community well being.

Ival Secrest
1 month ago

After reading pages of comments, I conclude our society is going through great tribulation. I also conclude that it is folly to expect a political party to emerge as a hero and establish peace in the country and cast the virus aside. I encourage all to follow facts (there will be references to confirm) and evidence. Even evidence requires further research to learn the process that led to the evidence because sometimes evidence can be misleading. I encourage you to find sources of information that have a limited amount of opinion and that would likely exclude TV and Social Media. Regarding the article, it is an alert for us to be aware that getting medical care may be must more difficult than finding a local opioid dealer. It is my belief that none of us know the long-term impact of COVID nor do we know the long-term impact of vaccinations. For those who are curious, I chose to be vaccinated.

cee
1 month ago

Thank you Mike Gast for your article!!!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago

So much ‘Fox News/OAN bullshit in these responses here. It is seriously disgusting how blatantly stupid most of you conservatives have become. Mind you, I am a proud Eisenhower Republican – but you idiots have made my political opinions equal to a Progressives. If you can get the (NOW FULLY APPROVED) vaccine, TAKE THE d**n SHOT. I’ve had an actual, experimental vaccine (not human trialed) for Anthrax during the Gulf War (so I research what shots I get), and the COVID vaccines have been trialed, tested and FULLY APPROVED. Anyone who says otherwise IS A LIAR.

If you don’t want the vaccine because your ‘God’ tells you to not take it, fine. But when you get sick, DO NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL. Stay home and pray your keester off, but you better not take up a bed for someone who REALLY needs it. And, if you die, well, that’s all a part of ‘Gods plan” I suppose.

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Diane Mc
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

Well, maybe we should tell the smokers who get lung cancer, the obese with diabetes (type 2, not type 1) who have many comorbidities, the drug addicts, or people with heart disease who don’t change diet, or people with cirrhosis of liver due to drinking, that they can’t get health care either?

Ray
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

Most of the things you listed are lifestyle choices, ie, smoking, drug/alcohol addiction, however getting COVID is not a choice.

Diane
1 month ago
Reply to  Ray

💯 agree!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

I’d agree with you on this Diane, but you do realize that most smokers were lied to for decades about the health effects of tobacco by cigarette makers, right? Sugar is the most heavily subsidized ag product in America – and it acts on the brain in a similar manner as cocaine. Yet, food manufacturers can put as much sugar as they want in their products. Drug addiction is a nightmare – and yet Perdue Pharma just got a settlement that was approved by a Trump appointed bankruptcy Judge – allowing the Sackler family to pay pennies-on-the-dollar in compensation to the people they made into addicts, or killed.

Maybe think about things instead of just arguing in the future. Happy Motoring!

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Diane Mc
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

I smoked full time until I was 35. Then intermittently until 45. I’m 72. We were told the risks back then. So people had the info, yet continued to smoke…like me. Until I made the decision to totally quit. The cause and effect of sugar, overweight has also been known for decades. These aren’t new findings. I know about the opioid crisis. However, there are and have been more drugs than just those, heroin, cocaine, etc. Again, not new news that these are harmful.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

Spoken like a true liberal. When you use the term “blatantly stupid”, I truly hope you are looking in a mirror!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Actually, I’m a moderate. But since you obviously worship Herr Twittler, I can understand why you’d think otherwise.

Happy Motoring!

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Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

Moderate my backside! You people think you can just run roughshod over others but we have news for you, you can’t. But keep looking in that mirror and repeating to your reflection: I am blatantly stupid!

Diane Mc
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

Why do people not understand that the largest groups unvaccinated are African Americans and Hispanics. Are the majority of them Fox watchers or R’s? And the highest group, percentage wise, not vaccinated? PhD’s, you know, ignorant rednecks. We are a large, diverse population. The issue of vaccine or no vaccine can’t be packaged in it’s one “group” of people. My dentist & his wife, who is also a dentist, will not get vaccinated. Oh…and they aren’t Trump people. 40% of the population that is not vaccinated is one monolithic group. BTW, my son, his wife, my step-daughter are all angry that they were backed into a corner to get the vaccination. So not all vaccinated are happy about it.

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

Oh, Diane… wrong again. I pulled up a survey that was released six weeks ago which has graphs to make it easier for people to understand. It’s actually white Republicans who are the largest group that don’t want the vaccine. Now, black and hispanic folks I can sympathize with, as white folks tend to either ignore their health issues, or do outright experiments on them. They don’t trust the system, with good reasons in many cases. In the case of white Republicans, it’s because it doesn’t fit with what you believe, and some millionaire TV dinner heir has lied to you about the facts.
Happy reading!
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/unvaccinated-america-in-5-charts/

Diane Mc
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

538…..😂😂😂😂😂

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

You laugh, but you have zero counterpoint to it. This is why we can’t have nice things. And, Ed, if Fascist sympathizers like you hadn’t taken over the GOP, we wouldn’t look like the last gasps of the Confederacy.

Susan RN MPH
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

Because your post is not true – rates are similar between the three groups. However, political affiliation does make a big difference in vaccination rates with Republicans much less likely to be vaccinated “Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans.” https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/10/01/for-covid-19-vaccinations-party-affiliation-matters-more-than-race-and-ethnicity/

KellyR
1 month ago

Whoa! ‘Be careful traveling the Black Hills – there are tunnels that your RV may not fit thru” Thank you for that info. ‘Be aware that camping in a canyon can be dangerous during Monsoon weather.’ Thank You. ‘Be aware that fires in the West have closed these campgrounds.’ Thank you. ‘Be aware that certain areas of the country may not be able to take care of your heath needs.’ THEN – no Thank You?, but just political trash talk? I don’t get it at all. You do know that it is the gov’ts fault that the tunnels in the Black Hills are so small, don’t you?
Mike, thanks for the info. I have liked visiting Montana but it is nice to know that I may want to wait a while until my next visit, just like I will be waiting for the closed wild fire camp grounds to open up again. I don’t care why the hospitals are full, but it is nice to know. Thanks again, Mike

Diane Mc
1 month ago

This is from Montana’s own Covid-19 website. Yes, the unvaccinated are a greater percentage than unvaccinated, but I found this fact quite disturbing. “Findings • From February 7 through September 4, 2021, 3,610 (10.5%) cases, 248 (11.4%) hospitalizations, and 54 (16.5%) deaths were reported among fully vaccinated persons in Montana.” Just as I wondered about reported unvaccinated deaths, I am now wondering about vaccinated deaths. Are they “from” Covid or “with” Covid. There are many well known doctors, some at Johns Hopkins that believe the number of deaths could be overstated by 40 to 50%. The lesser number would still be tragic. But just as tragic would be the overstating of deaths. Con’t…..

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Diane Mc
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

Con’t… It troubles me to believe, because hospitals are paid extra for Covid patients & even more for ICU Covid patients by the govt that they would “misrepresent” someone’s death for financial gain. By the way, don’t doubt some hospitals could be overwhelmed. There are currently 59,000 people in the hospital for Covid in the entire United States. This is down from well over a 100K just a month ago. Find it hard to believe every hospital in US is overwhelmed. Also, some hospitals are overwhelmed due to staffing shortages. Many because health care workers don’t want the vaccine.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

Diane, THANK YOU for the voice of reason. You are spot on about the shortage of beds being due to the shortage of Hospital workers being fired for refusing to take the SHOT! Hospitals are only allowed to admit as many patients as they are staffed for. Once again, THANK YOU!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

What utter Fox News/OAN rubbish. Doctors don’t want people to die, and they don’t want to have to work a 36 hour shift because people (apparently like you) are gullible enough to ignore science. Can you get sick and die from COVID with the vaccine – Yes. But, you only have a (last study I saw) 4% chance of catching the original version, and a 10% chance of catching the Delta variant. Now, if EVERYONE who was physically able to get the vaccine got it, that would take it from 57% of the population to 93% who are protected. It is UNPROTECTED PEOPLE who are spreading it. You not getting the vaccine is as stupid as being an HIV patient and knowingly spreading the disease. Hospital workers who refuse to get the shot, and get sick, are carriers as well. This isn’t about ‘FREEDOM’ – it’s about responsibility. I got a ton of vaccines to fight in two wars for you people, and your ‘attitudes’ about “Your Freedom” really makes me wonder if MY sacrifice was worth it. You people disgust me.

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Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

“Lucy splane this”…why are so many vacinated people getting sick? You Jeff Craig are the idiot.

Jeff Craig
1 month ago

So, I provide facts and all you got is name calling as a retort.

Yeah….

To answer your question, vaccinated people can still get sick with these vaccines. They have been shown to be 93-96% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. Which means you can still get sick (but likely only have mild symptoms). People with comorbidity (underlying) issues can still end up in the hospital (the recent passing of General Colin Powell is a prime example) and as another study showed, you can get sick with COVID Prime, and still die from COVID Delta. The facts are out there and as with all scientific advancement, can be chaotic until thoroughly investigated, hypothesized, tested, peer-reviewed and tested again, and again, and again.

That’s something you won’t get on Tucker Carlson.

Susan RN MPH
1 month ago
Reply to  Diane Mc

You keep posting stuff like that without any evidence. Which, admittedly, would be difficult since it’s not true. Of course not all hospitals are full. Some states have good vaccination rates so they have empty beds. But that doesn’t help any if you get sick in a states with lousy vaccination rates. You may be surprised to learn that if you need to be hospitalized in Idaho you can’t transport yourself to an available bed in Vermont. Hospitals are shortstaffed because staff are burnt out taking care of people who refuse to get vaccinated. Compliance rates for covid vaccination are excellent – for example. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hospitals-say-covid-vaccine-mandates-work/ar-AAPCFBN

Lissa
1 month ago

There are quite a lot of stories out there with these scary situations of full up hospitals. The thing of it is, most of those stories aren’t … quite true. Due diligence in reporting – do your research. There is a government run web site that displays the data as reported by the hospitals here: https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

As seen there, at the moment (Oct 17, 2021) for the state of Montana, 74.34% of inpatient beds are in use, with 15.8% of those being used for Covid patients. That is somewhat below normal levels. Typically, hospitals keep bed utilization around 80-85%. Specifically to Billings, 85% of inpatient beds are in use, which is pretty much a normal number.

So … it seems that someone is being a tad dishonest, or at least, overly dramatic.

Diane Mc
1 month ago
Reply to  Lissa

Very true. Thank you.

Mike Gast
1 month ago
Reply to  Lissa

Lissa, I’d suggest you go a bit deeper into the research than a self-reported government website with woefully outdated numbers. Here’s a story in one of the best newspapers in Montana. The story was written by the former editor of the Bozeman Daily Chronicle about the specific situation at The Billings Clinic. The story quotes hospital administrators who said the ICU is operating at 160% of capacity. Overly dramatic? Hardly. The entire point of the story was to issue fair warning to our RVing friends that the previously expected level of care in some areas is no longer a given. Here’s the story link with the real numbers for at least this Billings location.
https://dailyinterlake.com/news/2021/sep/21/covid-surge-pushes-billings-clinic-past-tipping-po/

Pay special attention to those photos of exhausted staff, ICU beds being installed in the hallways and doctors and nurses attending to a COVID patient in the overflowing ICU. That seems like a rightfully “dramatic” situation to me.

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Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Gast

What it the political leaning of that writer? I’m suspect of most reporters who throw in their OPINION among the facts. “Just the facts maam”. Who, What, When Where, Why and sometime How not what you think.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Lissa

Another true comment from someone that has taken the time to do some research. Thank you Lissa!

Gary
1 month ago

Bottom line, people that contract Covid who are not vaccinated are getting priority over people who have a life threatening emergency. Decisions have consequences in an adult world, adults must accept and live with those consequences. Why, if not for political reasons, would a person with a life threatening condition be turned away? Has the Health department in Montana really made the decision that hospitals are nothing more than Covid treatment facilities? Sounds like there’s more to the story.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Gary

You are right Gary, there is much more.

Wayne
1 month ago

Well I reread my comments. Don’t think I have called anyone “names”. And I’d hope no one on here is made of sugar.
I also don’t think Montana made this issue “political”. But Washington D.C. certainly has.
I note how no one in the media…or here wants to point our that only about 50% of the employees of NIH have accepted the experimental jab!
Not a show of confidence.
Where was it written…”Give me Liberty or give Death!! Unless there’s a virus with a 99% recovery rate in which case strip me of my constitutional rights and put me under house arrest.?

Michelle S
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

“LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness”
if (as you said) “99% recovery rate”, than 1% didn’t recover.
Even if 0.01% didn’t recover, or a relative didn’t recover, or a heart attack person didn’t recover because of insufficient staff, or a nurse quit because they were overwhelmed. Don’t they deserve “life”

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Michelle S

They deserve to make the decision as to how they want to live their life. They DO NOT deserve to have the government, or people like YOU, tell them how to live their life!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Yet they follow the speed limit, wear seatbelts, don’t try to snort cocaine while operating heavy machinery on the clock, wear pants to the grocery store, etc….

People follow the rules all day, every day. You’ve been lied to that this is about ‘freedom’, and you worship a balding proto-fascist who tells you what you want to believe is right… I pity you.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

I don’t need your pity but you do need to educate yourself on what it is to be a Patriot. By the way, I worship ONLY the Lord! But your liberal leaning was just brought to the surface. I see you worship a senile, bumbling, little girl hair sniffing pervert. But this is America after all and that is your right to do so.

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

I’ll put my 20 years of Naval service up against your definition of ‘Patriotism’ any day of the week Ed. As for your religious beliefs, that’s your bailiwick. Not everyone has the same beliefs – There have been over 3000 ‘gods’ documented in human history. There are three major religions that worships the same ‘God’, and they can’t even agree within their own belief systems (Sunni/Shia, Protestant/Catholic, Orthodox/Cafeteria), but after seeing the hate and vitriol done in their ‘gods’ name, I worship none of them. I do try to live by a code of ‘do no harm’ and ‘do not bear false witness’ amongst others.

There is a saying I’ve seen floating around the interwebs a lot that applies to your comments. ‘You need to get right with Jesus’. You spew the same ignorance, haughtiness and anger I have seen in uneducated and uninformed people all over this planet. Maybe accept some of Jesus’s actual teachings, instead of the ‘Old Testament’ judgement that some people preach, and you will be a better person.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

Hey Craig, don’t worry about the type of person I am. The way you are judging me, I believe you think you are God. You don’t have a clue as to what a Patriot is! If you did, you would know about the Constitution and our Rights under it. So you keep on standing on your soapbox, preaching to no one and I will continue being myself. I do not hate anyone and for you to make that inference, shows me just how shallow and judgmental you are! Have a nice life and I truly hope you learn respect and what it entails. Because you surely fall short in that category. I will not answer, or read, any more of your dumb comments. So don’t waste your time writing any more to me.

Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  Michelle S

There is only One who knows the time and place you will leave your mortal body. I’m not saying jump in front of a train but sometimes it doesn’t matter what you do or what the Dr does it is your time. I know several elderly people who have survived serious bouts of Covid at home refusing to go to the hospital and possibly be put on a vent which would have killed them. They chose to leave it in Gods hands. I have heard of others that got the vac and got sick, went into the hospital and never walked out.

cee
1 month ago

Montana is a red state. I am astounded and embarrassed that “they” make this pandemic a political issue. I am a native Montanan & I know that if my family needs hospitalization… we won’t get it. The reason being our hospitals are full of un-vaccinated patients fighting for their lives; people who believed the lies and half truths of political entities. They put their faith in folks that aren’t intelligent enough to embrace science. I used to be a proud Montanan, even surrounded by red; we used to talk to each other.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

Your opinion but not surrounded by concrete facts!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Yeah, his opinion actually is based in facts. I have friends in Whitefish, Kalispell and Anaconda. They are all seriously upset with their fellow Montanans about their attitude over their ‘freedoms’ versus their responsibility to their families, communities and employers. You need to educate yourself Ed.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

So I guess you consider your “friends” as being facts! Nice try but no cigar Jeff! Why don’t you dazzle me with your education and present facts, not your friends opinions? You are not capable, that’s why!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

If I posted links to them here, would you actually look at it? Do you even have an open mind to check them out? Could any information I provide change your mind? If yes, fine – I’ll gladly post several links. But, you and I both know you won’t. I’m betting you won’t even reply to this.
(Hint – the third post I’d show is the same one Cee posted below!)

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Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

Reply to hint…You are correct. I would not bother to read anything posted by a radio show. It would only be hyperbole and bs.

cee
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Shows what a closed mind you have. There are two-sides but you will only recognize one… the one in your head. You are a very angry person. I feel sorry for you and anyone who has to put up with you. Mike Drop!

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

That is NOT what I said. I said I would not read anything produced by a radio station. They are not an authority. But you can respond to this message if you like. The fact is, we disagree and nothing at this point is going to change that. Happy camping cee.

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

And that’s why I have to regard you as a ‘flat earther’ Ed. You refuse to see anything beyond your own, personal horizon. NPR is reporting from boots on the ground. They have a long history of accurate, impartial coverage. The fact you won’t look at what is being reported says plenty about you.

cee
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

It is also the “opinion” of Montana Public Radio, follow the link
https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2021-09-16/as-covid-patients-fill-hosptials-you-may-not-get-all-the-care-you-need

Also the opinion of Dr. Shelly Harkins, St. Peter’s Health Helena, MT

“Our morgue is full. For the first time in this pandemic, we face the reality that we’re going to need to bring in additional morgue support. What that actually means is a freezer truck in the parking lot.”

Billings Hospital Considers Rationing Care As COVID Hospitalizations Climb
By Edward O’Brien
Published September 15, 2021 at 6:11 PM MDT

I could go on Ed D., I could give you more concrete facts. Or you can search valid info sites… or not

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

Your saying so and a radio personality saying so, still does not make it factual. Also, how many of those actually in the hospital have already received the SHOT?

Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

You said it “OPINION”.

Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

And you think ivermectin is only a horse pill right? I mean you are from Montana. I lived there for over 20 years and thought people there were smart!

cee
1 month ago

People here are smart. The ones who aren’t left over 20 years ago.

Wayne
1 month ago

“If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?”
― Frédéric Bastiat, The Lawson

rvgrandma
1 month ago

First: The author doesn’t address the issue this is an emergency only approved shot which they have no idea the long term effects. We are only now seeing it – if people are willing to research and read what they are finding. And it is not a vaccine in the sense we have known vaccines: a shot that prevents 99% of the people from getting the illness. This shot does not even come close to it.

Second: If when someone test positive if doctors would ignore the CDC and use proven therapeutics that stop the patient from getting seriously ill hospitalizations and deaths would drop dramatically. But, hospitals and doctors refuse to use therapeutics used around the world that helps. Even if the patients knows about them and demand them because the CDC won’t approve them they are refused. IV high does Vit C, D3, and Zinc; Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, asthma inhalers medications have all proven to prevent the majority from getting serious. But, the CDC won’t allow.

rvgrandma
1 month ago
Reply to  rvgrandma

Doctors can’t even prescribe them because pharmacies won’t fill them because they could be in trouble with the CDC and FDA.

3rd: The author continues what the liberals are doing: another method to divide the country.

Barbara R
1 month ago
Reply to  rvgrandma

Doctors can’t prescribe them because Ivermectin is an animal dewormer and not fit for human consumption. And there’s no proof that Hyrdoxy does anything for anything other than malaria.

Lissa
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

That is completely and utterly untrue, ma’am. Ivermectin is a medication that was first used for humans, and has gone through the usual testing and is FDA approved. There are numerous studies that also show that it is effective in treating Covid in early stages, preventing it from advancing to more severe disease and death.

Just because it is also used for animals does not mean that is it’s only use – penicillin is also used for horses, cows, dogs and cats – does that mean it is only fit for them?

Turn off CNN. They are liars.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Lissa

She won’t turn off cnn because that is her preferred channel for propaganda!

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

And you would know this how? Give us your medical facts. NOT your personal “opinion”!

Diane Mc
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

False. It was developed for humans. The researchers who developed it were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. It has been used by millions, if not billions, because it cures parasitic diseases found in Africa, India & elsewhere. Your local pharmacy probably has it on the shelf. It was then determined it could be used for horses. Dr Sanjay Gupta from NBC pretty much apologized to Joe Rogan when he was on his podcast for NBC saying he took “horse dewormer”. He had a prescription from his doctor that was filled at his pharmacy.

Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

BARBARA. Millions of HUMANS are treated with Ivermecin every day…you are an IDIOT! And i presume you own an RV. Keep me off the road you are on!

Barbara R
1 month ago
Reply to  rvgrandma

Sorry missed 3.
3rd: The author is doing their very best to relate not only a story that shows one of the side effects that affect both unvaccinated and vaccinated. Unvaccinated because there are so many who refuse to listen to the experts that they are filling up emergency rooms and ICU units to the point that many hospitals are turning away patients because there’s no room at the inn. IMHO Covid and its variants have become the pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Lissa
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

In many cities, there are vaccinated Covid patients make up 30 – 40% or more of the inpatient population. San Diego, CA is reporting 54% of Covid patients are vaccination.

Also, the vaccine does not prevent infection or spread. It reduces (somewhat, as it is turning out) the risk of severe illness and death. There are many vaccinated people who get infected, and carry viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated, and sick with moderate to severe illness, yet they have no symptoms, and could be unknowingly spreading the virus.

Catch up on the actual science and data. It helps prevent the spread of hysteria.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

That is a bald faced lie and you have absolutely zero proof to back it up!

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  rvgrandma

Spot on Grandma. I am with you all the way!

cee
1 month ago
Reply to  rvgrandma

First: Deaths would drop dramatically if people would get the jab! But their thick heads prevent them from taking care of themselves.

Second: Deaths would drop dramatically if people would get the jab! But their thick heads prevent them from taking care of themselves.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

Tell that to those that have gotten the Hot Heart from the SHOT! Give us a break with your democrat talking points!

cee
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Are you calling me a democrat? Hot Heart… is that something you made up or do you have literature citing the issue?

Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

That is something that has happened to MANY people who have gotten the shot…KILLED SOME. What about the youth that have gottne the shot and been injured for life with heart and lung issues.

cee
1 month ago

Interesting the CDC knows nothing of Hot Heart and it appears you don’t either or you would have cited information from credible sources like scientist and doctors. As I suspected, Ed D. made it up.

Ed D.
1 month ago

Have you noticed that your comments haven’t been responded to? Because you are 100% correct. I agree with you totally!

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  cee

I actually should have used the term “Heart Inflammation”. The shot also causes Blood Clots. So, again, NO THANKS!

Barbara R
1 month ago
Reply to  rvgrandma

First: There are 3 vaccines that are FULLY APPROVED by the FDA. Boosters for one is already FULLY APPROVED by the FDA. The other two are expected to approved for boosters soon. Most people do not have any medical training or research training so those who don’t should in my opinion should be to listen those who have the knowledge AND the training.

Second: The treatments you are espousing are those that have been NOT be proven. I mean be for real…. there is ZERO studies that show either of the two medications treat the virus. Side effects of those two medications can be deadly. When you compare the data, the results of taking those two medications is chilling. Why would someone willingly consume a horse dewormer? Or inject bleach into their veins? An anti-malaria drug for a virus that has no clear results of healing?

I stand with the CDC on these facts as do a large majority of Americans. I’m not a born in Montana Montanan. I grew up there when my father was stationed at Malmstrom and lived there for many years. 2 of my kids were born there. I’m a transplant, but that doesn’t lessen my love for the state nor for the people that have the privilege of living there. I can do nothing other than to help educate using the facts that are based on the data. If I can convince one person to get vaccinated, then I will consider myself successful. So, please get the shots. They only hurt for a second, if at all. The benefits to you include a milder case of COVID if you catch it and a lesser chance of spreading the virus to your loved ones and your community.

You know… now that I think about it. Community is the major reason I love Montana so. I will get back there before my time on this earth is finished.

Lissa
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

Oh but there ARE studies that show there are effective treatments for Covid, both in the early stages, as well as if it progresses to more severe illness. Literally hundreds of studies.

Learn the facts before you spread misinformation like this.

Vanessa Simmons
1 month ago
Reply to  Barbara R

Just because it is approved doesn’t mean it works and is good for everyone. People should have the right to choose. Just like you have the right to travel in an RV or sit at home and consume CNN 24/7.

Ln Em
1 month ago

Oh WOW
I am profoundly startled by the discourse I’ve read thru on responses to this intentionally reserved and cautionary article.
It’s disturbing how some people politicize what should be a normal everyday discussion about what situations we might face when needing hospital care on a trip.
What’s most disturbing is the aggressive language used by some…especially the name-calling. This is not the forum for this behaviour.
For those who threaten to stop reading this site, I can only say please do. It would be more enjoyable without your participation.

Sue
1 month ago
Reply to  Ln Em

Agree with all you said, Ln Em!

Mike Gast
1 month ago
Reply to  Ln Em

Ln Em, as the comments to this essay article demonstrate, everyone has an opinion and is welcome to express it as long as they can accomplish the task with a minimum of vitriol and name calling. I wrote this essay as both a fact-based warning (certain hospitals are indeed rationing care) as well as a bit of personal opinion. My own family has been affected by the lack of care caused by the glut of hospitalized (and mostly unvaccinated) COVID-19 patients. That makes me angry, but I do value other’s rights to their opinions, so the farthest I’ll go in name calling is to label those folks “misguided.” Again, just one man’s opinion.

Ln Em
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Gast

Yes, indeed everyone has an opinion, and in the proper forum (eg. Twitter..I don’t FB), I’m happy to read all opinions. But unless dealing specifically with an RV issue, political arguments should not have a place here.

Mike, your advice was warranted for travellers thru places like Montana in these Covid times. I go thru Montana twice a year and I have to admit I never had given a thought until now of what you have warned about. I’m aware there are other states under similar conditions so in these times I plan to be more cognizant and careful.

I have been greatly angered by what healthcare givers have had to deal with now. Your beneficent label “misguided” is much kinder than my views of willfully ignorant, intellectually lazy and critical reasoning-lacking people.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Ln Em

Your comment above is NOT rv related but rather your opinion! Speaking of “willfully ignorant, intellectually lazy and critical reasoning-lacking people”, you foot the bill perfectly.
This is an excerpt from your previous comment:
“What’s most disturbing is the aggressive language used by some…especially the name-calling. This is not the forum for this behaviour”.
So I guess you don’t believe that calling people “willfully ignorant”, “intellectually lazy” and “critical’ reasoning-lacking people” is NAME CALLING? Hypocrite Much?

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Hits to close to home?? When you do all these actions, on a consistent basis, it’s not ‘name calling’. At that point it becomes part of the discussion.

Ln Em
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

I’ve returned to further read the postings on this article. Again I’m dismayed to see such politicization of what initially was put forth as advice to travellers.

Again, too, I’m dismayed to see unwarranted name-calling…the most egregious from Ed D.

Ed D, I’m positive many of us readers would appreciate it if you could please raise yourself up to decent discourse in this forum.
Thank you.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Ln Em

Time to move on. Have a great weekend.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Ln Em

By the way, what I wrote on my last comment to Craig was just repeating what he had just said to me. Apparently, you conveniently missed his comment to me. But that’s okay. You have your opinions and I have mine. Just don’t tell me what I should say. That is not your place.

Barbara R
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Gast

An excellent article. As I said in a previous reply, this has become a pandemic of the unvaccinated which causes so many side effects that affect everyone.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Gast

And that “misguided” label is YOUR “opinion” Mike. I respect YOUR opinion, as well as you should respect MY “opinion”!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Opinion only goes so far, Ed. You may be of the opinion that the earth is flat, but your opinion is not based in fact or evidence and easily disproved. Clinging bitterly to a disproven opinion doesn’t make it your ‘right’ to be immune from scrutiny, and deservedly, ridicule.
That’s not politics nor liberalism – that’s life.

Last edited 1 month ago by Jeff Craig
Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

You can critique me all you want but the minute you ridicule me, you will get it back in spades. The last thing, just because YOU say something does not make it factual!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

You are right, just because I say something doesn’t make it fact.

That’s why I verify what I say, before I post it. If you find fault with ANYTHING that I post, please feel free to show where I am wrong. Not insults and arguments – show your work. Lords know I do.

Bob
1 month ago

This is all just propaganda.

Drew
1 month ago

Reading the comments only I’d have no idea what the article was about.

Bob M
1 month ago

People who are vacinnated should get preference to medical care. I agree you have a right to choose what goes into your body. But when your decisions outcome has a scientific negative effect on your medical condition. Than you deserve to pay the consequences by allowing those that followed scientific recommendations first shot at emergency care.

Wayne
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob M

So what would you do if you were in charge in Israel….or Edmonton Bob?

“I know sir, you are very sick! But we have people sick that have their 3rd booster …and you have only had your second!”

The fact that people are getting sick EVEN though they have had the jabs…is something a lot of sheep don’t want to address. Totally invested in their choices.

You can not deny the truth that our reason shows us.

Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

Well over 90% of covid patients in ICU are did not get there JABS. They should not be given preference over people who have gotten their shots but have a medical emergency.

Barbara R
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Well stated, Bob

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Prove that lie Bob!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Since you probably won’t believe it otherwise, I pulled the (mostly) same article from both Fox News and CNN – which proves you are horibbly mistaken Ed.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

I have news for you Craig. I do not watch FOX news either. They aren’t much better than cnn these days.

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Russia Today? OAN? NewsMax? YouTube?

Hint – NONE of them are actual news. They are all just opinion channels. They are the ‘spinner bait’ of the dying Conservative mindset.

Looks like they have you hooked.

Barbara R
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

I would think if I were in charge in Israel or Edmonton, I would rather be overflowed with those who took the time to protect themselves and their community than those who decided horse de-wormer or bleach injections were the way to go.

Sad this is even a debate, but hey, Those vaccinated (even those who chose to get vaccinated so as to not lose their jobs) seem to be a heck of a lot healthier than those who have not.

And sad to inform you I do not bleat!

Which truth do you need to have denied? There’s plenty of factual evidence and the best I’ve seen are arguments that begin… Well, what about…

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

Colin Powell died today of covid and he had his Jabs!

Gary
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob M

Preference over a person with a life threatening injury or illness or over a non-vaccinated person?

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob M

Whatever you say Adolph!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Your confusing Darwin with a maniac who murdered 30+ million people. And, once again, show you have little understanding of the dynamics of this situation.

Ed D.
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Craig

I also confused you for an intelligent individual. Sorry about that. It won’t happen again!

Jeff Craig
1 month ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Hmmm…. That’s a mistake I haven’t made. That’s why I’ve been trying to educate you – and will continue to do so.