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SATURDAY, DEC. 5, 2021 — A seemingly innocuous air pollution proposal before the California Legislature could ban the sale of portable generators in the state, and have a crippling effect on RVers who rely on them to power their rigs when shore power is not available.
According to definition of the proposal, the ban could include the use of generators installed in most motorhomes and other motorized RVs. RVers who travel with trailers and fifth wheels would be unable to use portable generators.
What is confusing at the moment is if the bill intends to ban the use of portable generators and/or ban the sale of them beginning in 2024. We will follow up on this tomorrow when state offices open again, and update for next Sunday’s issue.
Assembly Bill 1346 would compel the California Air Resources Board to adopt regulations by July 1, 2022, to prohibit emissions from all small off-road engine engines (SORE) including portable generators. While it may be intended to promote the use of battery-operated lawn and garden equipment, it will also result in banning the sale of portable generators in the state as soon as 2024.
43018.11.
(a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later.
The proposal assumes that portable generators could be replaced with so-called ZEE generators (zero-emission equipment). However, ZEE “generators” rely on battery power and electricity for charging that is not available during power outages and natural disasters. These ZEE units are typically five to twenty times the cost of gasoline-powered portable generators, yet they only provide backup power for a short period of time (typically 1-2 hours) before the battery is discharged. Furthermore, once the batteries are discharged, they cannot be recharged during power outages without expensive solar panels or expensive spare charged batteries.
For these reasons, the Portable Generator Manufacturers’ Association (PGMA) is requesting an exemption for portable generators be included in the proposal.
An estimated 1.5 million portable generators exist in California, primarily used by residents during natural disasters and during frequent rolling blackouts enacted by local utilities to mitigate demand on the power grid or protect against fire danger.
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Please state in the title in future articles like this these events take place in the People’s Democratic Republic of California. This is not affecting the real world.
This is a fantastic idea! Hopefully dirt bikes and other off road vehicles are next on the list!
PGR- yes, they already are on the list as are all gas-powered lawn mowers, chain saws, weed-eaters, etc
While the proposed law is draconian, it is also simple: No items or equipment that is powered by gasoline will be allowed to operate.
Unfortunately, it does. It spreads.
While this may not presently affect the rest of the world. It will get other wack jobs the idea to push in the rest of the US. Making our life miserable.
Every freedom loving American needs to think about these politicians the next time they step into a voting booth. The results of the last election prove the current reigning party doesn’t care about citizens just their agenda’s.
What happens as the next low rider accidentally hooks and drags the border all the way to Canada?
Elections Have Consequenses…
NOT in California. Just look at the latest recall of the (bleeped) Governor.
Ever been in a hurricane? Must be nice in their isolated piece of the World.
It’s the same as to take away our guns, then they reduce the police force, and then tell you that they will keep you safe.
My thoughts precisely!
That state has so many ****** driving the show, guess i will never add that state to my RV map.
Just where do the ‘geniuses’ think they are going to bury all of those lithium batteries when they need replaced, plus they are so ‘green’, do they know the destruction that happens to mine lithium?
They are clueless.
These people need to spend two weeks in an RV depending on Solar and batteries (let stick with lead/ acid batteries at that) and a tank of water. Let them handle that first before they start making these rules.
And while we are at it, they should grow a garden before making rules about farming.
Another News*** project to keep people out of his state.
It works for ME. We NEVER cross the border into CA (from NV). Problem is, our once great state of NV has turned into another CA because of all the transplant lefties coming in with their goofy, insane thinking.
Dianne bleeped me for messing up his name a while back. And it wasn’t as bad as yours.:(
OK. I just hadn’t gotten to Gary’s comment yet. It’s been semi-bleeped. 😉 Have a great day. 🙂 –Diane
Yet ANOTHER reason to NOT live or visit California. Only hope that those that leave remember why they left when they go to the poles.
Doing away with generators is par for the course. The CA lawmakers are incapable of considering the results of their actions.
California is such a joke (unfunny one). I winter in California, as a non-resident it’s impossible to recycle anything the recycling depots will not accept stuff from non-californians so that means it ends up in the landfill how Forward thinking and progressive this is. California AKA Kookiefornia.
Lots of luck trying to take away those 1.5 million portable generators. Take away our TV and cold beer. Thems fighting words.
This article is just more “THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!” nonsense from RV Travel. I do not live within two thousand miles of California, I have never lived in California, but I spent a week there last century. I read the proposed legislation. It only bans the SALE of NEW small gas engine-powered equipment such as that used in lawn maintenance. It in no way bans existing equipment nor can it ban out-of-state purchases while traveling and bringing them home. The size limit is way below the typical onboard RV generator size as well.
This eliminates all gas lawn mowers in Calif. Everyone. Throw you lawnmower away. Small engines. If you cant fix it, throw it away. You wont be able to use it. Dont worry we will figure out how much it is going to cost to recharge everything else you will have to buy. Electricity, you better retrofit your home to charge everything. No gas. All because of air quality. Why dont they start with the big stuff. Like preventing fires that they create. You talk about pollution. Calif wants to ban everything they think will cause harm to the air, to people, to anything. Pay for it says Calif. Pay for that plastic bag. Dont use straws. Get rid of those lead sinkers in your tackle box. Everything that comes out of Calif has a tag that states, “This product has been determined to cause cancer”. You can buy it but be careful. They havent figured out the costs levied on our population. They dont care. Gas, they charge twice or three times the amount that you would pay for a gallon of milk. Hope you have a sustainable income coming in. They havent figured out how they will be able to generate the electricity needed. I live in Texas, I dont want to have to go through another winter like we had last year. Lots of people died because they didnt and couldnt provide the power needed. This initiative is going to put a lot of people out of work and cost you more money because of them. Do you know how much it is going to cost you? The liberals in calif dont think of the impact it will have on you. It just sounds so good to them. Environment, we need to protect it. BS. Do you know why we are in an oil crisis right now? Its because of stupid liberal decisions who dont care about you. This move may seem like a little thing to you. It has a bigger implications than you think.
Just not true that gas generators cannot be replaced at a reasonable cost. I just installed a REDARC DC/DC 50 Amp. charger on my 5th wheel. Now my truck’s alternator charges my batteries at a rate of 50 amps/hour. Just as good or better than a 2200 watt inverter generator. Now no generator to lug around or an extra gas can.
So in order to replace my 6.5 that runs on propane (clean fuel) I would need three of those. I’ll admit I haven’t looked into it yet, but I would guess that’s not really an option. And yes I do use it to power parts of our house, stove, refrigerator, freezer, AC/heat, during the regular black outs and other power outages. I currently have a large solar setup on the house, but I have not spent the cost prohibitive $60,000 to install the batteries. When the solar works, about 65-70% of the time it just eliminates my electric bill. And ofcourse you can not power a house directly from the panels
So instead of running a fuel efficient small generator motor, you need to run an 8 cylinder, 300 hp truck engine to get the same amount of power. Brilliant. That’s California thinking for you right there.
As I read it, the legislation proposed bans the sale not the use of gasoline driven generators. Jeez RVers – CA is only 150 miles wide- but your generator elsewhere!
Just think of all the gasoline taxes California will collect by having those big 8 cylinder engines running for hours at a time.
Plus, running those engines for prolonged periods causes other damage to the vehicle.
As far as solar, what it the impact of the thousands+ dead batteries on the environment? They contain some nasty chemicals.
And what fuels the alternator to turn? Fairy dust?
Do you know how expensive that will be for RV’ers? There are many retired Rv’ing couples, that are full timers, on a “FIXED INCOME”! Just because you can afford your “fix”, doesn’t mean everyone else can.
Just ONE MORE REASON why I would NEVER live in or travel to visit California. Those people are totally insane.
I hope they pass this legislation along with thousands more stupid legislative ideas. Like the one with regards to the smash & grab criminals. They will eventually take this state that had the worlds 5 largest economy and turn it into a state with the highest criminal activity, lowest quality of life and the worst poverty state in this country. Hopefully they will be excommunicated from the union as they should not be considered a state of this country but an island of trash!
I can’t wait to move out of *****fornia.
I was raised in Southern California, a great place to grow up. We sold everything in 2017 and went fulltime in our RV and didn’t look back. I don’t even like going back to visit family, the state has gotten out of control and out of the touch with the people and reality. They want to ban small engines, there is so much off roading in the state with the Imperial Sand Dunes along with a multitude of other areas, that banning these engines they will lose millions in taxes. This state is so self destructing it’s pathetic, when I do visit family I purchase as little as possible while in the state.
Here’s a couple questions:
How will Electric Generating Companies produce ALL the electric needed?
How will they shove ALL that electric through the lines that are presently there without the risk of fires?
They won’t. Rolling blackouts and brownouts are the new norm in California.
I just feel really sorry for those who aren’t able to buy storm backup or gas equipment to clear brush. Gotta clear the brush on your property, but with what we tell you to!
Just another reason to stay away from CA.
When I read the headline…..I already knew where this news was originating when I clicked on the article.
To ban generators is jut stupid. California is all ready short on electricity. When they have to buy electric cars the problem will be even worse. You say you can use a Ford F150 or car generator for emergency power but there is already a law in California that you can not idle a car for more than 5 minutes, so basically a car generator is already illegal.
More government ignorance and overreach. CA just happens to lead the nation for these.
Glad I have lots of solar.
Yeah, that help when it cloudy or raining.
Indeed it does. Lots of solar (overpaneling) and adjusting demand are keys to happiness when solar conditions are poor. Add in lithium or other battery chemistry that doesn’t mind PSoC and it becomes No Big Deal.
I’ve been boondocking with solar for (checking…) the last 1,208 days. My solar setup costs about the same as an inverter generator but is silent, works automagically, and requires no maintenance. Horses for courses.
You don’t need full sun for solar. I use solar full timing in winter in Western Washington. Been doing it for 5 years.
California has already drove over the cliff to no return.
Another draconian mandate in my mis-managed state.
Don’t California my Texas!
Doesn’t bother me in the least. I never go to Calf. on my rv trips anyway. Only a ***** would bother with that state. And apparently Californians think so too, since thousands are living that state like rats off a sinking ship.
The problem is, Californias stink eventually reaches across the 50 states. Whatever these brain dead cali politicians institute will probably affect you one way or the other in a couple years. Everyone needs to contact their representatives and tell them not to California their state. Only a matter of time folks.
Exactly
“The problem is, Californias stink eventually reaches across the 50 states. Whatever these brain dead cali politicians institute will probably affect you one way or the other in a couple years”
The socialist politicians in Canada will also follow California like little sheep so what happens in Cali, eventually happens in parts of Canada!
I think the problem was solved in another article here:
“In the model designation of the Travato 59RL, the “L” is is for “lithium” and that lithium makes a big difference in the experience of some users. But it’s not just that there is a substantial power reserve – it’s how Winnebago integrated this. The system is provided by Volta.
On the “L” model there is a three-module lithium battery pack, 3,600-watt inverter and a secondary alternator on the Pentastar 3.6 liter gasoline V6 that motivates this rig. In addition, there is 215 watts of solar on the roof.
The entire system is designed so that it will run the air conditioner for a while off the grid. If you deplete the batteries to a specified point, the system can start the van’s engine in “high idle” mode. That will allow the second alternator to charge the batteries. “
This is another horrible path that California has chosen to impose on their citizens. And I suspect it will continue to get worse given Californias leadership. For now, aren’t there key provisions in the proposed legislation that specify gas engines under 25 hp?
Many laws in California, nobody obeys most of them! Just like speeding!
What is with California? This proposal is wrong on so many accounts. It boggles the mind. Is some environmentalist in their legislature really that fanatical? Or is this some sort of play to get yet more federal money to subsidize the state. I wonder what their first responders think of this. I wonder how well this will play when the big one hits.
i would say use ice in ice box but they will also ban ice machines soon at this rate
This article seems to have a pro-2 stroke bias. I have been running a solar generator for the past year. I love it. I can run it for days with out recharging it. I do not even bother with panels as I am rarely away from shore power for more than afew days at a time. It will also charge while I am driving.
My 2 stroke generator now collects dust in my garage. The reason they are included in the ban is the amount of air pollutants being emitted. Mowing your lawn with a gas powered lawn mower is much worse for the environment than driving commuting by car. Generators, which typically run for hours on end, daily, are even worse.
Like it or not, things are changing. Get some panels. Get a good solar generator and then get on with a noise free & exhaust free camping experience.
Which solar generator are you using? Sounds like a great setup.
What are you babling about….2 stroke….wtf…..most generators are 4 stroke and have been for DECADES
Luke is referring to his power station as a “solar generator”, which, of course, it is not. It is a storage battery. When he hooks up his panels, now he can call it a generator….I guess. I have two Jackery’s…..trust me, they do not “generate” anything. Back to the topic now…..
I have refused too even drive my car into California.. many truck drivers will not enter that State either. Wonder why they have a driver shortage. Why are California people moving to my State, Arizona. Stop making laws and start protecting laws. Stupid, Stupid people… My vacation money goes to other States. Time to rebuild California.
………and why does anyone want to go there again……?
Ban California
Many tractor trailers utilize small gen units to run heat/ac in their rigs as more efficient than idling their engines. I used to procure freight and as others have said CA is a bad state for truckers. Rates into there would jump 30 to 40% for us. Even if the intention is just for small yard applications, once in place it will morph on to other areas rapidly. Lots of small gens are used on job sites for construction. Gas powered pumps. Can’t wait to see battery powered bulldozer, tractors, road graders, trackhoes, cranes.
Give them an inch and your right they will be demanding an end to ALL INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES 😒
Good. As a full-time RVer myself, generators and radios blaring on the outside of RVs are my two major complaints. #GoSolar and use earbuds.
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I agree with you Crabby – one of the reasons I rarely camp in campgrounds anymore. I’m tired of barky dogs, screaming children and loud generators. I go to out in nature to hear NATURE.
You are! It’s called human nature. 🤔 🤣
Walmart parking lots are probably quieter.
How else can they charge their electric vehicles?
Legislators don’t have a clue. Someone like that Greta from Sweden comes up with an idea and right away they make it a law without researching it’s effects on the population and consequences. Batteries are fine but they do realize they have to be recharged, don’t they? Oh, don’t worry, the power fairy will do that for you.
I guess it is pointless to ask that the last person to leave California please turn out the lights. They’ll already be out. I’m all for solar. Sounds great, but what pollution is created in the manufacturing of solar systems? And, as others have already asked, just how do you dispose of batteries in an environmentally safe manner? Maybe the day will come when renewable energy is safe for the environment and the wallet, but it ain’t there yet. And is the state willing to replace lawn equipment for a homeowner already struggling with other expenses? I mow three acres with a mower that cost me almost $5k. I found a similar size rechargeable electric mower for a mere $14k plus additional batteries to insure I could do it all.
The best thing we should do is ban Crazy Politicians.
Nothing’s worse than listening to glampers generators in rigs that cost more than my house, good riddance! And if you don’t like California, don’t come here. I’m OK with that. More room at Mammoth, Pismo, and Big Sur for us.
You know Dave if you do not own one of these it is your choice. There are others that do, and that is their choice. They pay a steep price for that. It is their right. They don’t tell you what to do. Respect them for this is America. Don’t remove choice’s from our Country. Live free.
Where’s the like button…..
Great idea Dave. There is absolutely NO reason for me to visit California ever. Enjoy your “solitude”.
Just another, in a long list of reasons, to stay far away from CA.
I think this is a perfect time to turn the fence toward the east and north. This would be the perfect opportunity for California to succeed from the union and leave and leave America alone. GO AWAY
completely stupid article. I run my RV solar setup for years for ~$500 that I spent. Also just Google ‘solar genrators’ ,’Power Stations’, ‘Iceco Cooling Units”….. to proof that the author of this article has no glue what he is talking about
It’s a diabolical plot by the Sun to have everyone use its limitless energy and quit burning fossil fuels! According to the Sun, and I saw this on social media, it can’t wait for humans to destroy themselves and their environment so the Sun can supply all the power the Earth needs to regenerate itself where humans no longer exist. I say we ban together to pass legislation to nuke the Sun and its completely liberal agenda!!!
On our most recent trip the only thing I brought was the Jackery 1500 and its four solar panels for two months on the road, much of which included boondocking. Not only did it work outstandingly, it was quiet, reliable and provided enough power to even run the AC on our travel trailer for a few hours every day when we wanted to.
As more and more RVs that I review feature solar panels and high-performance battery systems plus the advent of super efficient and modern air conditioners like the Truma Aventa this won’t really be an issue.
And I won’t have to park at the beach next to stinky Sam and his noisy open-frame generator that drowns out the ocean sounds I came here to enjoy. Nor will I have to hear gasoline leaf blowers at campgrounds. Maybe I will camp more in California, especially since so many said they’d avoid the state. Less crowded and quieter places to camp. I’m all for it!
You are undoubtedly wealthy as well. The cost of all of the state of the art equipment will make “camping” too expensive for the working man. But that’s probably part of the plan. (Bleeped)
It isn’t a proposal, it was signed into law two months ago. But it isn’t quite as onerous as it seems. For one it does not apply to diesel generators, only “spark ignition” ones. And only to those producing below 25 horsepower (19 KW). And the ban is on the sale of new equipment. You can continue to use your existing gear. This was predicated on findings show that running a gas-powered leaf blower for an hour produces more smog producing emissions than driving a Toyota Corolla 1,100 miles. to quote the new law, which has flexible dates to be determined,
43018.11. (a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later.
Hahahahaha. That’s all folks
Wouldn’t that be wonderful! But we’re taking Oregon and Washington with us.
BEST news ever……thank you. You can put the normal people in east OR and east WA into internment camps to “re-educate” them.
The unintended consequence will be more people running their vehicle engines for power. Including non-RVers powering their homes with inverters during power loss. That can’t be better for emissions.
Isn’t Newsom planning to ban gas cars 🤔 they’re going to get you one way or the other. Helpless! California used to be a nice place to live.
Don’t understand how electric cars are the answer the power supply cant provide enough power to heat our homes or run medical equipment how can it support charging everyone’s car that’s just stupid
I remember when the government said global warming was a lie really who was the lier they want us to do without but people in power won’t do without wait and see we couldn’t buy food or cook or heat our homes i couldn’t run my oxygen concentrator for 9 Days during the winter storm in Texas this year and they couldn’t bring me any portable oxygen tanks I thought I was going to die I was afraid and still am we have no say in what our future Is . the gov will decide for us who will live and who will die so very sad FREEDOM???? Generators won’t work without gas they are still going to sell gas in generator’s they will take your money knowing you won’t be able to use them it’s called forced control
Not happening, go and read the bill!
Portable generators indeed have a bad reputation for being noisy and smelly, because they are built with minimal or no emissions management.
http://www.CarGenerator.com on the other hand, is a clean, quiet, and efficient way to get backup power, with more than FIFTY times the power output capacity of a portable battery inverter. (1000 watts for 50+ hours or more)
They use generators to power refrigeration on the trucking industry to cool units. This will cost the state a very large loss of revenue from RVers who spend the winter there.
Gee another reason not to go to the Blue Heck Hole. Bummer (not)
Pulling the trigger before you actually read the bill, so sad!
You seem to be intentionally misrepresenting this. AB 1346 specifically targets ‘portable’ equipment which does not affect on-board or stationary equipment such as generators built into RV’s. It DOES target portable generators used by many RV’ers but it DOES NOT outlaw their use (although it will likely come to that), only their sale. The first thing that it will produce is pushing lots of sales of gasoline lawn equipment just over the border in adjoining states. That is until CA coerces NV,AZ, and OR to pass similar idiotic legislation. It is also not scheduled to phase out the sale of gas-powered small portable generators any earlier than 2028. I do believe this is ridiculous legislation based on limousine liberal pipe dreams but similarly, it is not helpful for your article to misrepresent what is intended. It IS, just one more reason of the many like it that contribute to my leaving California though…
Not true, read the bill!
You are also missing the rest of what comes under that bill, which also is going after lawnmowers, weed whackers, chain saws and other “gas” powered, emission emitting machines that are part of our everyday life. What we dont need is California government in everybody’s business, they aready crippled the trucking business and caused enough damage there. Unfortunately, only people that Iive in California can fix this by voting out the top 1% that keeps telling you that the top 1% is our problem. I just dont get it anymore and as long California stays in California, I’m good….
I’d like to ban all the hot air & foul air coming from lawmaker’s offices and their ilk.
California is gone so far to the left, I think we should sell California and apply the money towards the national debt. We owe 29 trillion dollars and accumulating more debt. when will it end?
You do realize California is the WORLD’S fifth largest economy, right?
You do realize 80% of the state geographically speaking hates California but are held captive by the corrupt system. Without us the state is a non producer.
Only because the other 49 states are propping it up. Let it go. Let it flourish as the mythical 5th largest economy for the 2 weeks it would last before going down in a raging ball of fire.
And the FIRST in LUNACY.
Right?
Let Californi self mplode and all RVer’s spend their hard earned money in states which will let them remain free spirited human. If California wishes to become a waste land so be!
Just nonense, move along.
solar collectors are a very quite and clean way to power an RV . I welcome a change to have a quieter campground without generators. The folks who want to continue using a generator might ask themselves – “is this going to be good for our planet or our grandchildren? We must do all we can to end the disaster of climate change. Having witnessed the fires in CA in the last couple of years in particular, I can say RVing there has become a crapshoot, and water shortages throughout the west will be next. Let’s start thinking seriously about reducing fossil fuel use!
Oh, joy. Are you a tree hugger? The fires in California are not caused by climate change. They are the result of the state banning controlled burns when the undergrowth is minimal in order to prevent the accumulation of flammables. California is responsible for the deaths of citizens and firefighters who died as a result of wildfires because they won’t allow preventive control methods to be used.
D Wilson you can’t save what you have not made and can’t understand it all. I see you have lots of faith In saving this planet but what about us. this planet was given to us by God with the only command fill it with people. this save the earth goes against the One God creator that Made the Earth.
This save the Planet nonsense is nothing but a farce and cover to Raise taxes, cost of living and drive people off this planet and someday they will ask you to check off.
and speaking of the fires in California if this state and its leaders care so much for the carbon emissions a wildfire produces will have way more equipment and will to manage this forests.
our forests have not seen a chainsaw in decades and yes they are like gans a gasoline ready to be lit.
the terrorist bureaucrats at CARB are nothing but hand bitters and people hatters in their blind endeavor to destroy what God has Created
God, you give them eyes, but yet they cannot see.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
Thanks for your comment. There is little chance to get these selfish people to realize the damage they are doing to this planet.
They’re the types that would complain about the poor service as the Titanic sank.
Such hatred on California….
Sad.
You can’t expect companies to create new products if there are not markets for them. Markets are driven by government regulations just as much as they are by consumer demand. If not for Government road-building programs, we wouldn’t even HAVE an RV Industry. So, pull your heads outta your backsides, and IF you are a California resident, contact your electeds and tell them that you support the legislation, but there needs to be caveats for generators on RV’s (motorized and towables) as well as those for home power backup systems. We have the technology to add cats/mufflers to these small power units, but manufacturers don’t because that would drive up the price.
Or, better yet, look at those RV/Car Generator systems advertised here on RV Travel! The sky is not falling – that’ll happen to your poor, poor grandkids when/IF they reach your age.
The elected officials in California couldn’t care less what the general public says. Most of the people who live there voted for this crap, so they aren’t going to want any change. Climate change is another scam, like the covids. Remember when the earth was going to be flooded by 2012 and we would all be dead. They even made a movie about it. California will have to learn to live without the rest of the US when the truckers refuse to enter the state, tourists refuse to visit and they turn off the electric and water to the state.
There is no Planet B. On spaceship Earth there are no passengers; only crew.
Deal with It.
And what about Food Trucks?
This is reckless and beyond belief!
The state of California is run by a bunch of fools. Here is another example of legislation that will have the affect of keeping more people from visiting the state and some to flee the state. RV park income will fall and eventually the RV parks will close. U.S. and State Parks will see their patronage drop along with their revenue. I question whether this legislation can be applied to RVers on federal parks and lands operated by the COE or National Park Service. As a professional over-the-road truck driver, I’ve already sworn off California.
No kidding. Took the words out of my mouth. They’re a bunch of fools.
Who ever said california was smart? Hands, Bueller, Bueller?
A month or so ago I sat in my local Freightliner dealerships waiting room listening to a conversation between 3 truckers experiences driving in California. All 3 indicated that they avoid the state due to regulations after regulations after ……. It is plain as the nose on your face that California wants to totally do away with internal combustion engines. Hopefully they will soon build a better electrical transmission and distribution infrastructure to support the increase demand on their system.
This is bad for more then just RVers, any one who uses small gas powered equipment is in trouble and Cali is like a virus , legislation like this always spreads to the east.
Anger stirs of wrath. Those are not my words, but it’s true.
I have not read it but it sounds like it could also effect the onboard generators in the semi trucks to save engine idling. It may be time to relook at boycotting semi travel in California for a month and see what changes.
Right!
No more semi reefers going into California.
Let them choke on their lunacy.
California exports far more food than it imports. But if the drought continues…
Californiais already off many travelers agenda. Horrid roads, crippling taxes, out of control crime.
You likely won’t see many caring
This is bad all the way around. No fosile fuel. This state is not ready to go green totally. It’s time to have the people vote on it. With NO hidden crap in the bill!
So what happens when PGE turns off your power here in California can’t use are guns then either I know a little off point from RV post which I do year round
Hold the phone. Read the communist legislation carefully. This is for NEW equipment. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, I have three Honda gens, several chain saw, leaf blower, ATV and a water pump & I am not giving them up. If I need additional small engine wahtnots after 2024 I will travel to Oregon or Nevada. Be a smarter RV’er start carrying copies of all laws that effect you.
Dont camp in California, they’ll miss that tourism money
Please don’t. The campgrounds are too crowded already!
I doubt we’d miss anything you’d contribute.
I was born in Northern California at a time when all Californians we’re pretty smart!
You do realize generators were invented to keep RVers from running that big 6 or eight cylinder all evening or all night depending on needs and application.
It is easy to ban generators when every vehicle can be kept idoling to run electric inverters providing power and use of HVAC.
If your smart you’ll pass on this one as it’s much better than that big motor idoling and don’t presume you can prohibit idoling as a husband could drive around all night while wife sleeps and wife could drive around all day while husband sleeps.
Puts a lot more crap in the air! And remember those cars in Hawaii are polluting California air a day or two before so you should probably prohibit Hawaiians from driving before you worry about a single cylinder generator.
When you solve Hawaii I would force Japan to prohibit gas and diesel engines from polluting Hawaiian air that pollutes California air 3 or 4 days before.
Remember that California air moves into Nevada and Arizona. If It’s dirty, those states suffer.
I live in Phx and the air is fine.
But…it’s Phoenix. Phoenix has no excuse to not use solar energy. Sadly those who live in Phoenix have to cower half the year indoors surrounding an air conditioner. Yuck. Thank you for living there and not polluting California.
You know nothing about solar. The solar cells work less the hotter they get. They have a very short life span. 10 years.
Yea right, if you think we’re going to power the southwest deserts after the sunsets when the demand is still really high with solar panels, windmills and batteries you don’t have a clue. Then you think you’ll be able to add millions of EV”s to the load, you’re in for a rude awakening and obviously don’t have know what you’re talking about.
Hawaii air does not go to California. 🤦♂️
“You do realize generators were invented to keep RVers from running that big 6 or eight cylinder …”
You do realize that generators were not invented for rvers, right? That’s just dumb.
Stupidity in California has no bounds
Stupidity Across America has no bounds. At least in California they’re trying to do something about it.
The rest of the nation looks at California with disgust. It’s unbelievable the things that pass for common sense over there …do the rest of us a favor and stay there,leave the rest of the country alone with your uncommon sense voting and legislation practices.
The problem with all these bans and regulations is they tend to punish people as the way to enact change. Why doesn’t California reward the people who only use solar or electric on their RVs, lawnmowers, power tools etc.? I think people would get on board a little more if there was an upside to making changes rather than always a punishment for not.
In the attempt to save money, businesses outsource gardening to the lowest bidder which in turn do not understand nor care to upgrade to more efficient, cleaner and cheapest TCO alternatives like battery electric equipment. Instead they buy the cheapest gasoline or diesel equipment then bitch about high fuel prices.
You can’t fix stupid but you can ban them.
Amen, that is how change happens
the people wanting to ban generators don’t use them, wouldn’t know how to use them and would probably hurt themselves trying to use them…
Stupid Stupid Stupid
You do realize, like it or not. California in it’s self would be the 5th largest economy in the world. But nevermind that, the rest of the United States. Unfortunately is very dependent on California’s agriculture etc. I do agree, California has some stupid codes etc. Back on the generator ban. This should also include banning that 70k Ford pickup. After all, it is heavily advertised as a “generator”. Jus saying.. Traveling through different states, it is fascinating to see the uniqueness of each of them. All with something that is special to them. However, each and every state also has it’s fare share of troubles, crime etc..
Well it’s just a proposal at this time. They will need to fine tune it, and I think they will.
This is just one more reason why thousands are leaving California! Everything is becoming so difficult for the average person to do anything. They are being ridiculously empowering toward their citizens.
This is what Californians want. Your faux concern is not warranted.
Devin Serpa, Speak for yourself! I am a Californian, and I hate this regulation crazy environment in this state! Who are you to say anyone’s concern is faux, anyway!
THIS is absolutely NOT what Californians want! With exception of a select few in those woke liberal cities I.E San Francisco Parts of LA and Sac.
I live in Nevada County and I want this.
I can’t wait to lead America into the clean energy future. You’re welcome.
And if you’re seething in your lazy boy. Just go kicking and screaming already. You can even bring your ride-on mower with the beer cup holders, as long as it’s an electric.
So the answer is to force people to use electric alternatives? So just what is the composition of the batteries that store the energy from solar and how do we dispose of them? How will California meet the increase demand for electricity when they can’t even meet it now? This solution is short sighted and is likely gonna create more pollution. BTW, this planet is doomed whether you believe it or not. Nothing we do will change that.
Will never go solar. My big fat polluting generator works just fine. Go hug a tree
I’ve done both solar and generator. If you have average intelligence you can build a solar system with used panels that can handle 80% of your charging/ AC needs. It will cost LESS than a new 2000 watt generator. I just spent $20.00 on a used 250 watt solar panel. 8×20=160.00
Add 25.00 for the charge controller=$185.00. You are going to need batteries either way so they aren’t included in the equation. Get the book:
“MANAGING 12 VOLTS” It will give you detailed instructions on everything you will need to know.
Quit crying and start adapting or shake hands with the Dodo bird.
Thank you for this!
Solar panels degrade with age. About 10 years. Also they can not function when they get too hot in the sun. They become hazardous waste. Like Windmill blades.
That’s just one more inconvenient fact for the environmentalists and their renewable energy push that will be a huge boondoggle.
This will shut down most construction projects and disaster cleanup efforts. Also these generators are commonly used on boats. Very bad idea.
Goverment trying to save the planet Google George carlin the planet and see how true this guy was. R.i.p. george
Seemingly portable generators are the cause of all our pollution problems, not fast food outlets that produce loads of plastic polluting our environment in its production and polluting out planet land and seas with waste plastics, or do those companies have more power than us mere mortals.
Clearly you’re not really paying attention. California is doing very well at getting rid of all those polluting Plastic Products. Great ideas!
Start BY banning all (lawn mower sounding) small airplanes and ALL jets commercial AND private
THEY must be electric or no fly as these ARE the biggest polluters up in the stratosphere all day everyday
Start with the biggest polluters follow THIER $$
We’re about 20 years away from that and it couldn’t happen sooner
Yes, Jefferson and his tree-hugging buddies are definitively living in a dream world if they think solar panels, windmills and batteries will affordably/reliably supply the required amount of electricity to power this country.
Jefferson and his buddies have no clue. That’s obviously the fact because they actually believe we can affordably/reliably power this country with solar panels, windmills and batteries.
Seduce Americans into electric cars. Then force them to buy all their electricity from city utilities. Then ban all forms of electric power not made by city utilities. Then track and restrict how much electricity used by each individual via smart chip plugin. Then ban those violators from the grid or traveling or plugging into any smart grid.
Slavery complete.
You got that right
Then put monitors on people to monitor the number of breaths taken per minute and then charge them accordingly.
You’ll get electricity when the rolling blackouts aren’t occurring. That’s how well the go green scam works. Renewable energy can’t even meet the demand in the summer months in CA. Utility customers all across America will soon get the opportunity to experience rolling blackouts because of this administration.
A government completely out of control.
I surely hope that I never have to cross into Cali. on my travels!
Just enough so that the right people would be effectived
I will never go camping in California again for just considering this stupid legislation.
Just one more reason why I stay far away from California!
Hahaha yes! Please stay away!
another reason to avoid ANYTHING “California”
“culture” ???Sexual predators, rapists, drug addicts, alcoholics, Pedophiles. The “culture” of Hollywood has produced some of the most depraved, sick, twisted animals of our time.
The ban is good. Stop polluting the public Greenway.
Another San Francisco Democratic Loser (not coarse language or a racial slur!) ruining California. You can blame this one on assemblyman marc berman. Yes, those are lower case letters in his name. He doesn’t deserve for them to be capitalized. He can’t even control all the filth and pollution the homeless people; oh, I’m sorry the URBAN CAMPERS; create, in his district. Does he really think San Francisco will enforce this law within the City. Will they go around and tell the homeless in THEIR RV’s to shut down their generators? NOOO!! But, you and I will be handcuffed by the Park Rangers, and campground owners, and will be cited if we run our generators in the pursuit of recreation, family fun, and wholesomeness. Has berman ever gone camping before? I’d like to know how much pollution these generators really add to our environment. Get a life marc berman! Fix your local problems before you stick your nose into where it doesn’t belong.
When generators are outlawed only outlaws will have generators 🤣
Out of my cold dead hands.
People in this country better wake up before it’s too late. The environmental nuts are going to cost us huge amounts of money, ruin our lifestyles and livelihoods with this totally unnecessary push to go green.
What did Californians use for light before candles?
Electricity 🤣
I did not read the legislation in the way that the author’s connection and rhetoric would lead you to believe. First, despite what the instructions to the CARB are written, there are two caveats, feasibility and technology. Second, it only applies to engines manufactured starting in 2024. Hopefully, technology will advance to accomodate that. The boating world is currently using battery/inverter backup power. So this isn’t a far-fetched idea or goal.
At first, I thought of the dune buggies and dirt bikes out there, but again, starting 2024 manufacture date.
The headlight and conjecture in this article is misleading and irresponsible reporting. In fact, it is not a news article because it is full of baseless opinion unsupported by the facts.
Decrypt the actual facts for yourself when you read things, then form your own informed opinion, and stop ‘parroting’ what other people tell you to think, say, and feel.
Well said. Often when I apply logic and a tiny bit of research to RVT ‘news’ flashes, I find the piece to be biased and opinion. Look at all the commenters who got all cranked up here.
It states “small engines” so I thought about dunies, dirt bikes etc as well.
Well at least in California there’s something to save. Really can’t say as much about Arizona. At least in Arizona nobody really cares about all the nuclear waste or going to stash there cuz it looks like a nuclear waste dump anyway.
Yeah, San Francisco is a real gem isn’t it?. Actually the whole left coast is a pathetic joke.
I know, now nuclear is bad according to the environmental kooks.I hate to break it to you, but when it comes to nuclear generated electricity that’s nowhere near the failure that solar panels, windmills and batteries are.
If you read the actual bill it is requiring the small engines to meet emissions standards for exhaust and evaporative emissions, not banning them. But nice click-bait attempt
I predict a large generator and small engine equipment superstore directly next to the California border in NEVADA!!!
What a shock. Sad that you have to resort to petty, childish name calling to counter a comment. Not the first time in this discussion it seems either. The irony of you calling others “dumb and bitter” escapes no one.
Meanwhile everything you buy is made in china, India or other Asian countries that are some of the largest contributors to air, ground and water pollution. I guess if you can’t see it from your house it doesn’t exist.
I would like to find a lawyer that would handle a federal suite against California on a pro bono basis.
I pay for the national parks in California and they are trying to restrict my personal use of them. I believe that in a year my motorhome which is diesel powered will not be allowed unless I make expensive upgrades for dpf and def systems. This is my personal property and yet California allows a 5, 000 mile per year exception to it’s residents for use of diesel equipment.
That said I quit going to California in 1982 and refused all business from that state. As far as I’m concerned let them eat shit and call it steak. The people who live there deserve the government of spacecadets and (bleeped) they choose.
Ha! Good luck with that. So I guess truckers shouldn’t idle their trucks to recharge their batteries for their inverter system either? It’s the same either way…a has or diesel motor running to produce saved power or running to have usable power. These desk sitters have no idea. I’ll use my generator with a smile on my face. (Bleeped)
so will I, at least up until the point that they stop rv’ing because we’re destroying mother earth.
Great, this presents a potential new revenue source for resourceful Nevadans and Oregonians. Black market generators, only $3000, each. Haha Cali, what a joke!
How about during electricity outages? Storms, lightning strikes, high usage times? Stupidity.
I’m wondering where my comment/post from earlier today went?
Some of mine have disappeared too. I suspect the moderator is busy deleting questionable comments (in their ridiculous opinion anyway).
Hi, MikeinAz and Vincee. Yep, some comments are being removed by me and other moderators because, like we have pointed out umpteen times, we don’t want/need/permit name-calling, inflammatory remarks, etc., here at RVtravel.com. So, in our “ridiculous opinion(s)”, we’re following our guidelines and deleting some comments, since you and several others tend to ignore them. BTW, sometimes words get automatically (bleeped) by our filters, also. You can post whatever you want anywhere else on social media, but not here. Thank you. –Diane
Yada Yada Yada!
Whatever Diane, the clowns in CA get what they deserve. ‘Go woke, Go broke’
Well, that response certainly made my day. Thanks, Marcus. 🙄 (I’m leaving it in so others can see some of what we deal with when we have more important items we should be working on – like newsletters.) Take care, and stay healthy. 🙂 -Diane
😆 😆 😆 Someone just reported (to me!) that my comment to MikeinAz and Vincee is “Abusive.” Get a grip, folks. Dang! I have work to do. Have a good night, whoever you are. –Diane
And now they’ve flagged my fairly polite comment to MikeinAz and Vincee (explaining why some comments have been deleted) so many times that my comment was put into the Pending file, i.e., for me to approve my own post! Grow up, people, or you’ll be blocked. Just sayin’. –Diane
In the campground, a ban on generators would be welcome by me. The constant noise and toxic exhaust seems to always be next door to me. I use solar panels to keep my gel cell batteries charged. No need for generators.
Note to buyers of new RV’s. Make sure you buy one with 3 way refrigerator. Manufacturers should be banned from installing electric only refrigerators.
Glad to see them go. I’m always amazed by the jerks that go “camping” and sit in their RV running their gens for hours or crank them up at 7am to make coffee. – amateurs. If you want to watch TV all day then stay home.
Like it’s not 10 companies contributing to 70 percent of green house gases. Fuck out of here with this non sense.
Only in CA
They sure don’t want people to stay or visit CA do they?
So is it wrong to say, RV’ers lets ban together and not visit California! With all the stupid laws and rules, not a place on my list anymore… Just my opinion….
This is ridiculous 😒