RV park’s reputation gets smashed after harsh treatment of campers

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By Chuck Woodbury
EDITOR

This is a story about pissing off the wrong person or in this case RVing family. Please excuse the language, but I wanted to make a point.

As I reported three weeks ago, Jason Epperson and his wife, Abby, who travel full-time with three young boys, were evicted from a Colorado RV park late last month for allegedly violating a park rule that prohibited the delivery of mail or packages.

The Montrose – San Juan RV Resort in Montrose, Colorado, claimed if it allowed guests to receive mail, it would somehow place the park in a landlord-tenant relationship, which could make it a challenge to evict guests later if necessary.

We checked with the state of Colorado and campground industry insiders about this, as well as with our friend Don Humes at America’s Mailbox, an authority on domicile issues for RVers, and none could point us to any regulation that stated if a Colorado RV park accepted mail for a short-term guest that would, by itself, establish a landlord-tenant relationship. Humes noted that while he is not specifically familiar with Colorado law, in general, “domicile” is established by the address on a person’s driver license, where they are registered to vote or where they do their banking.

Speaking from experience, I can tell you that in three out of the last four years traveling around the country with my RV, I almost never encountered a park that did not allow me to receive mail there.

Jason had ordered a computer late at night at the Montrose park after his own died, to be delivered the next day. He was unaware he was violating any rule. He operates an online business; a computer is essential. When FedEx tried to deliver it, the park turned the driver away. The driver promptly called Jason, who walked off the property to claim the computer, then brought it back to the RV.

Then he, Abby and the boys headed off for a day of sightseeing at Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park. When they returned, Jason was surprised to find an email from park manager Tom Vail, instructing the family to leave, citing the mail delivery rule.

Much happened afterwards including some heated discussion, but nothing that should have even remotely warranted an eviction. Jason and Abby were so incredulous at what had happened they streamed a live video on Facebook as they packed up and left. Watch it here.

Manager Tom Vail had earlier called the Montrose County Sheriff’s Department, which dispatched several officers, who talked with the parties involved. No charges were ever pressed, none even suggested.

And, the fact is, the “no mail” rule, as stated in the park’s literature, which you see below, states it applies to long-term residents. Jason and Abby were staying five days. And so, the rule did not apply to them. I would have reacted the same as Jason and Abby, stunned being evicted for violating a rule that didn’t even apply. Most parks, I suggest, would offer a reminder to a guest, not simply evict them. In my decades of RVing, I have never heard of such harsh treatment.

What the park manager Tom Vail did not consider when treating the couple so harshly, was that they have a large following on their website RVmiles.com, plus a popular weekly podcast and YouTube channel. In this age of social media, any business must be very careful who they mess with, or risk a huge backlash.

Before the current incident with Jason and Abby, the park had 75 one-star reviews on Yelp, many mentioning unreasonable treatment from Vail.

So why did Jason and Abby even stay, given the many bad reviews? When researching the place, the couple had noticed a reference to “Under New Management.” They reasoned the negative reviews were no longer relevant.

The couple’s video went viral on YouTube, quickly reaching 157,000 views. Viewers left nasty comments directed at the park, angry voice mails, and began posting reviews on Yelp, campground rating websites, and apps, all one star. The park phone rang constantly with often hateful messages.

Such negative reviews would surely result in a significant loss of business in the future. The park retained a PR firm to do damage control.

Alan Warren, the host of the The RV Show USA social media and syndicated radio program was approached with the offer of an eyewitness testimony, a park resident named Al, who Warren then interviewed on this show. He later publicized the interview on his many Facebook groups. He never talked to Jason and Abby. Warren justified his long interview with “eyewitness” Al because, he noted, “there are two sides to every story.”

Unfortunately Al’s testimony was full of holes and irrelevant rants. He made statements he could not possibly have witnessed. He said, for example, that the sheriff’s office had escorted the Epperson family to the county line when leaving the park. “They not only escorted them out of the park, they escorted them out of the county,” he told Warren.

That does not happen in America, the last I looked. Actually, the family drove seven miles to another RV park.

Al ranted about the children running around the campground (which even if true was not relevant to the reasons for the eviction) and that Jason and the neighbor the couple was traveling with (who used the F-word once talking with Vail) were “hunters” and were therefore likely armed. Did he feel threatened? Jason told me neither men hunt nor do they carry firearms.

Al, whose last name Warren did not mention, claimed that Jason and Abby’s neighbor, Robert Armstead, had grabbed Tom Vail’s arm in anger and had “spit on him.” The sheriff’s report makes no mention of that. Jason denies it, too.

Our staff writer Russ De Maris spent many hours making phone calls and doing research to get the facts straight for this story. His calls to manager Vail and the property owner, Barber RVP, a Colorado limited liability corporation, were not returned.

I am convinced that Jason and Abby should never have been evicted from the campground. They did nothing wrong. I spoke with Alan Warren three times including once before he posted the video publicly, pleading with him to not do it. It was, I thought, incomplete, biased and unfair to Jason and Abby. I gave him Jason’s phone number but he did not call. Alan removed the video a day or two ago after more than week on his channels.

Here’s a follow-up video Jason and Abby recorded, explaining in nine minutes what happened after their first video. Its message is directed to Warren, although they do not mention him or his business by name.

The sheriff’s report of the incident is below.

 

The incident report
From the Montrose County Sheriff’s Department

From Jason and Abby: We have redacted our friend’s name for his privacy, and one swear word in case it gets flagged by YouTube: *****

On 07/29/2020, at approximately 1607 hours, WestCo Dispatch Center informed me of a disturbance, at 22045 Highway 550, in the County of Montrose, Colorado. Dispatch advised, an irate male party was being verbally aggressive at that location. Deputies responded to that address, where we contacted Tommy Vail (DOB: 09/06/1951).

Tommy stated, he is the owner of the RV Resort at this address, and he had a party violate the resort’s policy on receiving mail at the resort. Tommy stated, Jason Epperson (DOB: XX/XX/XXXX) attempted to have mail sent to him at the resort, which is expressly forbidden in the reservation agreement Jason signed prior to his arrival at the resort. Tommy said the office refused the package, but Jason received it outside the gates anyway despite the policy violation.

Tommy stated, when he informed Jason of the violation, another party who is travelling with Jason, later identified as XXXXXX XXXXXXXX (DOB: XX/XX/XXXX) became irate and began yelling at Tommy. Tommy stated XXXXXX used swear words, and there were small children around during the confrontation, which Tommy stated he will not tolerate at his resort.

Tommy stated he wanted both XXXXXX and Jason’s parties to leave the resort due to the policy violation and subsequent disturbance that was created. I then contacted Jason, who told a very similar story to what Tommy had stated. Jason told me, he frequently stays in RV Parks, and in the past there has never been an issue with receiving mail at one. Jason stated he understands he should have read the park policies more thoroughly, but said the section which prohibits mail being sent to guests is in the section titled “Long-term visitors” and Jason was only planning to stay for a few days, so he did not read that part.

When the delivery driver called him, Jason went out to get his package and did not think anything more of it. Jason stated he expected the park to be nicer about the violation and give them a warning or have a discussion about it, rather than just sending an e-mail and then asking them to leave. Jason said XXXXXX took offense to the way the complaint was handled, and when he vocalized this to resort employees, he used one swear word.

Jason said the response from the park was disproportionate to the offense, and he felt the whole situation was ridiculous. Jason asked what would happen if he refused to leave, and told me the RV he stays in is his “domicile” so he cannot be made to leave unless he is legally evicted.

I advised Jason, as he was a guest of the resort and had simply made a reservation, he could not be considered a tenant or resident at the address. As the owner, Tommy, was stating he wanted Jason and his traveling companions off the property, if he refused Jason could be cited for trespassing. Jason stated he disagreed with this, but stated they would leave because he did not want further problems.

Deputies spoke with XXXXXX, who advised them, Jason ordered a Macbook, to be delivered to the RV resort. When it arrived, the office refused the delivery, stating it was against policy. At this point, the delivery driver contacted Jason by phone and arranged to meet with him outside the gates to deliver his package. The resort owner found out about the delivery and sent Jason an e-mail stating he was in violation of resort rules, and advising him he needed to leave. XXXXXX heard about the email and became agitated, because he did not feel the response from Tommy was fair and felt Jason should be allowed to remain in the resort despite his violation.

XXXXXX stated he confronted Tommy, and said “this is fXXXing ridiculous” and at that point Tommy contacted law enforcement. Deputies asked if any threats were made, and XXXXXX stated no. Deputies asked if it was physical, and XXXXXX again said no.

Deputies informed both parties they were being asked to leave, and they stated the process of packing their campers was likely to take several hours. XXXXXX expressed to me that he did not want deputies present around his children, who he stated are home schooled and would be affected by law enforcement being near them. I advised XXXXXX, the park owner had given deputies permission to be on the premises and as long as we were performing duties related to our job, our presence could not be avoided.

Deputies remained on scene until XXXXXX and Jason’s parties had left the resort. As they left, Tommy advised deputies XXXXXX was recording out his window and yelling profanities at resort staff. Deputies then cleared the call without further incident.

BOND AMOUNT: n/a SUPPLEMENT(S): n/a Victim Notification Form? n/a Victim Rights Pamphlet? n/a /s/ Deputy S. Belcher Post# B3088-2486 CASE STATUS: Cleared non-criminal

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DNelson
26 days ago

As for the author apologizing and warning the readers of a cussword to emphasize a point, that is the point in using a swear word, to emphasize a point.

Lois Johnson
1 month ago

As a co- manager of a park, rules are rules. You always accommodate your guests. Word of mouth is great testament to future guests. Getting mail is why we stay at certain campgrounds ourselves. Issues with dog off leash, not picking up after your dog, fights, bad behavior are reasons to warn a person, then ask them to leave. Full timers anticipate receiving mail at campgrounds/resorts. Sounds like management needs to retire. I feel bad for the family of five.
Been on the road 14 years. Manage/work for pay in the summer

Dave
1 month ago

I’m just not a fan of grandstanding. Yes, campground rules can be questionable, but something just doesn’t pass the smell test.

Nina C.
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave

Totally. I agree. I’m not putting anyone down here but I question how would it not occur to a camper who is social-media active on the subject of RV’g to ask the office first about getting mail or package delivered on park property? Particularly with something that he stated was so important to his work, and I would also presume expensive. Even if it weren’t about the park’s policy, personally, I would want to assure that I received my item in an expedient and secure manner, not through a campground office. Just saying, that’s what would make sense to me.

Nina C.
1 month ago

IMO, both parties are at fault; the management for being a jerk and the camper for being naive and uninformed. Using a package pick-up location is the best advice. UPS charges $5, Amazon partners with retailers for pick-ups, possibly FedEx and USPS. Most campers would think it’s non-issue to get a package at a park but it’s ALWAYS smart to ask the office first. If it’s against park “rules” a short-term camper could ask for an exception or ask why that policy is in place so they’d better understand that it’s not personal. There’re quirky “domicile” laws which may or may not be interpreted and applied correctly by a park. If a camper asks the office 1st, they’d know whether to arrange picking up their package elsewhere. I’m not a full-time RVer but I’ve read much online and travel enough to know not to make assumptions, especially about small Ma and Pa parks. That whole disaster of an outcome could have been avoided if both parties had been smarter about it in the first place.

Geof
1 month ago
Reply to  Nina C.

You’re the second comment I’ve read where you failed to read the story. There was no policy violation as it was clearly in the documentation that it applied only to “long term” campers and other long term guests. 5 days does not constitute long term. The resort owner blew it, period. The resort manager needs to go fishing for the rest of his life. The guy seems to just have a nasty disposition and shouldn’t be in the hospitality business.

Last edited 1 month ago by Geof
pauline
1 month ago

good to know I will never stay there

Dan Peelman
1 month ago

When I tried to talk with the receptionist about the incident at Montrose San Juan RV Resort, she hung up on me. Maybe consciousness of guilt???

DNelson
26 days ago
Reply to  Dan Peelman

Instead of consciousness of guilt, how about being tired of answering phone calls just to be drawn into a pointless conversation?

How many phone calls from this guy’s social media base “probably” turning into harassment and personal attacks? Consciousness of guilt, HA!

Roy
1 month ago

Jason should have known better. The one rule that is repeated over and over again on the Youtube channels of full timers is, “always check with office before having anything delivered or forwarded”. You would be surprised how many disallows it. However, I do agree that the management reaction was totally overboard. He was P Oed because someone got around the rule.

Sharon B
1 month ago

Get a good lawyer and sue the park big time. I believe the package as from Amazon? Big deal. What’s the matter with getting something you needed? One little package???
Get a real good lawyer!

Steve Jaubert
1 month ago

This story is a very unfortunate one for the family and the kind that RV park should have avoided at all costs but there’s always the stupid manager. I used to work in the hospitality industry for a hotel that taught me how to deal with problems with minimal repercussions. In most cases there is a way to deal with the worst problems. This situation was over a piece of mail. The managers who don’t make it in any industry typically are little self- appointed tyrants who for one reason or another find power humiliating someone. That seems to be the case with that manager. Those types usually leave a trail of bitterness and anger wherever they go. That RV park’s loss of revenue will hurt them far beyond this event because of him. But I say it was well deserved considering the facts and their prior negative reviews. And all over a piece of mail. Occasionally justice is served well and that is a satisfying thing.

Wayne
1 month ago

Great followup article. It does raise some interesting questions however. What options are there for an RVer to receive packages in a campground or RV park? Especially if the park doesn’t allow deliveries to it’s office or a campsite. What if your RV breaks down and requires a part before it can be safely moved? And that part has to be ordered on-line and delivered? Might be an interesting issue for an article in your newsletter.

Pat OConnor
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

One option is to call or visit the local Post Office and inquire about General Delivery. Transportation to and from the PO may be a challenge, but much easier to overcome.

BruceinAz
1 month ago
Reply to  Pat OConnor

FedEx and UPS cannot make deliveries to USPS General Delivery and those are the only shippers some companies use.

David Lastoria
1 month ago
Reply to  BruceinAz

Look into the use of having an item(s) delivered to a UPS store. You will find that they allow you to use their physical street address for delivieres that prohibit the use of a P.O. box. The UPS store I use once in awhile charges a fee of $5.00 for a one time delivery to their store.

Nina C.
1 month ago
Reply to  David Lastoria

IMO, both parties are at fault; the management for being a jerk and the camper for being naive and uninformed. Using a package pick-up location is the best advice. UPS charges $5, Amazon partners with retailers for pick-ups, possibly FedEx and USPS. Most campers would think it’a non-issue to get a package at a park but it’s ALWAYS smart to ask the office first. If it’s against park “rules” a short-term camper could ask for an exception or ask why that policy is in place so they’d better understand that it’s not personal. There’re quirky laws regarding domiciles which may or may not be interpreted and applied correctly by a park. If a camper asks the office 1st, they’d know whether to arrange picking up their package elsewhere. I’m not a full-time RVer but I’ve read much online and travel enough to know not to make assumptions, especially about small Ma and Pa parks. That whole disaster of an outcome could have been avoided if both parties had been smarter about it in the first place.

Liz
1 month ago
Reply to  BruceinAz

That is no longer true. Check with your local Post Office. Ours accepted packages from both UPS and FedEX.

John T
1 month ago
Reply to  BruceinAz

UPS certainly does. They deliver to the Post Office and pay the Post Office a fee for handling the final delivery. I have had numerous UPS packages delivered to General Delivery addresses when I am on the road.

Jay
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

I believe Amazon also offers delivery pick up points. I do agree however if the no delivery rule is in the “long term residents” section of the rules I would assume it didn’t apply if I was staying only a few days.

Lois Johnson
1 month ago
Reply to  Wayne

Travelling we have our mail sent to general delivery. They hold it 30 days. I have never encountered a park yet that refused remail

DNelson
26 days ago
Reply to  Wayne

Q1 What options are there for an RVer to receive packages in a campground or RV park?

Well, there has to be a post office relatively near as the RV Park Management receives mail for personal and official business. Others responses have already given their suggestions.

Q2.What if your RV breaks down and requires a part before it can be safely moved?

There are heavy duty wreckers that you can call to tow your RV out of the park if it can not be safely moved. If you RV is in a location that prohibits a larger wrecker, then it becomes a recovery and expect to pay 5x more.

Q3. And that part has to be ordered on-line and delivered?

If it is a part that compromises the safe move of your RV, then I venture to say you have neither the infrastructure, tools, equipment or the skills to attempt a repair. Furthermore, “what if” the campsite has a policy of no vehicle maintenance allowed on site? I bet 99 percent of improved hosted sites have a no maintenance/repair policy.

C.Lee
1 month ago

This type of situation is only one of many, many reasons I find boondocking to be far superior to RV parks.

Roy
1 month ago
Reply to  C.Lee

How do you get mail or packages at a boondocking place?

John T
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy

General Delivery to the nearest Post Office.

P. L.. Packer
1 month ago

Has anyone grasped the fact Tommy Vail is the owner of the campground? He isn’t “hired help”. It sounds like Jason is self entitled and feels the rules don’t have to apply to him. That he didn’t feel the need to read what he was signing speaks volumes. Maybe eviction was harsh, but this is what you deal with with privately owned facilities. Their property, their rules.

Jason Epperson
1 month ago
Reply to  P. L.. Packer

I didn’t sign anything. And Vail is certainly not the owner. Rules apply to me. I missed the rule because it wasn’t categorized under something I should read. Why would I send a package to a campground I knew would reject it?

Pat OConnor
1 month ago
Reply to  P. L.. Packer

What is surprising here is that P L Packer has apparently viewed and/or read selective snippets, or is unable to assimilate facts from fiction and assumptions. “It sounds like … ” is a statement of personal opinion – and in this case is not only baseless, it is without merit at all. There is no entitlement here, and there is no attempt to skirt or circumvent rules. The central rule to the reason for eviction did not apply to short term campers – or at least was not presented to short term campers as a rule.
I agree that owners have the absolute right to make up their own rules, and apply them as they see fit. However, indiscriminate rule making, or citing rules that don’t apply; harsh treatment of customers, and lack of hospitality will result in a backlash that may or may not be deserved.
That’s the reality, and fair or not, perception that an rv park is unfair and inhospitable will be a very hard moniker to shed. Their property, their rules? Their reputation!

James P Sutton
1 month ago

With all of those bad reviews and now a reputation for treating guests badly, I’d guess that this RV resort will either have a new manager or see the business go down the drain. The one thing that the entire hospitality industry cannot tolerate is a hot headed, unreasonable and dictatorial manager and Tommy Vail seems to fit that description to a tee. He could have contacted the family and explained the rules and let it go. Once they understood the rules, the Eppersons could have chosen to follow them or leave the park if they thought the rules were unreasonable. No one would have been embarrassed or inconvenienced and Tommy Vail would not have seriously damaged the reputation of his park and his own dignity.

Howard
1 month ago

Thanks for the follow up. Seems two ****** have been exposed. Alan Warren and the park manager. Hopefully the owners are smart enough to evict him.
I am sure the evicted will someday laugh about how stupid, unethical people can somehow get a job beyond cesspool manager in a town with no people!
nice job!
(Sorry, Howard. No name-calling. —Diane at RVtravel.com)

Wil Doehring
1 month ago
Reply to  Howard

So, it isn’t permitted for me to say that owner is a Jackarse?
Just clarifying.

Mann Fred
1 month ago

Did the campground change their name. Do not see it in the Good Sam book.

rollin
1 month ago

Vail will either act with a bit more discretion hereafter……..Or he is an idiot. Pray he learned a lesson so his future guests will have a more pleasant visit, ALL the way around.

Rvafterlife
1 month ago
Reply to  rollin

He didnt look at the videos I post of the last 48 hours of our life with Tom.

Amy
1 month ago
Reply to  Rvafterlife

Where can we see this?

Rvafterlife
1 month ago
Reply to  Amy

Search my name you will now see the links in this comment section.

John
1 month ago

I was just curious as I had a post that was a response to another person. No bad language, nothing really negative in that at all. I think I referenced they could have been told to sign an acknowledgement of written warning, and I re-emphasized how the rule was not actually broken (delivery was made off the campground property) and the fact that as they had the rules written, it really only applied to LONG TERM CAMPERS. Anyway, I would like to know why that was deleted?

Admin
RV Staff (@rvstaff)
1 month ago
Reply to  John

I don’t know, John. Some comments have been put automatically into the Pending file by our filtering system when they reached a certain number of “down” votes. So I just looked in the Pending file and the Trash file and don’t see your “missing” comment in there. Maybe the person’s comment you were responding to was deleted by one of our moderators and responses to that comment were also deleted. I’m not sure. I haven’t done much deleting today because I’m more lenient that other moderators. Sorry. —Diane at RVtravel.com

Rvafterlife
1 month ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Why cant I post links to my 3 videos of Tom being Tom?

Admin
RV Staff (@rvstaff)
1 month ago
Reply to  Rvafterlife

I (eventually) “approved” what was being held in Pending after our strict filters put them in there. I don’t know if someone else will delete them — other moderators aren’t as lenient as I am. —Diane at RVtravel.com

Rvafterlife
1 month ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Thanks

Admin
RV Staff (@rvstaff)
1 month ago
Reply to  Rvafterlife

You’re welcome, Rvafterlife. Take care, and stay healthy. 🙂 —Diane at RVtravel.com

John
1 month ago
Reply to  RV Staff

It’s back now. It was a reponse to a post by Joe White. I actually made that response before I put my own post a short time later.

Sally Ramey
1 month ago

I’m sorry, but Alan should have never interviewed Al on his show before checking out his story. All he did was introduce slander and more drama into the situation. A real news media (yes, they do exist) would have taken notes and checked out the story first before allowing him to use his show for a slander piece on Jason and his friends. But since Alan didn’t contact Jason, it would seem to me that he wasn’t really interested in both sides of the story, either, just clicks. This is profoundly disappointing. But of course, RV News only pretends to be news media, and fortunately, Jason has a much bigger social media voice. Truth won out in this situation. It remains to be seen if the campground’s owner does the right thing and replace staff.

Kathleen A Mazzuchelli
1 month ago

I am sorry but I have no empathy for the Epperson’s……….camp ground owners make a big investment and take a risk. Campers spend hundred of thousands of dollars on their Rvs and then expect cheap rates and camp ground owners to cowtow to them. If the Epperson’s are such experienced high faluting campers and read the campground policy they probably could have waited until morning and explained their situation to the camp ground owner who probably would have been considerate…………but instead they did their thing then trashed the campground owner………..sad state of affairs………now I won’t even log onto the Epperson’s adventures……..don’t care

James P Sutton
1 month ago

With that attitude, I doubt that the Eppersons care if you log on or not. On top of everything you are wrong: The rule about receiving mail only applied to long-term campers; the Eppersons were booked for five days. Mr. Epperson did read the rules and ignored that section because it applied only to long termers. Tommy Vail should have read his own set of rules.

David Lastoria
1 month ago
Reply to  James P Sutton

exactly.

Jason Epperson
1 month ago

Uh that’s exactly what we tried to do. We’re not above anyone else. I tried to go apologize. They weren’t having it. If they want to kick people out for putting a rug on their grass, it’s their right, but it’s my right to tell people about it.

Debra Arbogast
1 month ago

Please note Tom (or Tommy) and his wife Kay Vail are NOT the Park owner. The owner is Bill Barber along with a handful of investors. As a previous Work Camper of this RV Park (who were among 3 other work camper couples who left due to harsh treatment and unpaid hours) I believe Tom Vail to be an unstable individual who rules this RV Park as if it were a conversation camp. Carries a weapon on his hip and claims to have an arsenal on property suffers from PTSD and is a ticking time bomb.
Instead of wasting money on a PR firm the owner(s) need to evict Tom and Kay Vail, hire a professional RV management company, a staff of seasoned RV work campers, clean up the park, plant grass, re-open the mouse infested social barn, replace pool liner, repair jacuzzi, rename and rebrand!!

Rvafterlife
1 month ago
Reply to  Debra Arbogast

once I can get my videos some exposure (and no I am not a blogger just a regular person) you all can see just how insane Tom is. Now he is following my wife outside the RV park!

Lyn
1 month ago
Reply to  Rvafterlife

Can you record his stalking? The police who make frequent visits to this park on bogus emergency calls would finally have a valid reason to go visit this guy. He’s stalking; that’s illegal!

Amy
1 month ago
Reply to  Rvafterlife

Thank you guys for standing up to him! We were the couple on the other side of Al that Al defamed and lied about. Supposedly I am the “retired attorney” LOL But that is what you get for listening to RV park “gossip” you get professions wrong. I am actually a human trafficking investigator.

Rvafterlife
1 month ago
Reply to  Amy

Thanks. I worked for the DOJ and like you had to deal with horrible people. And Tom reminds me of every crime boss I saw back then. He now has 2 other men watching my wife and they made a show this morning new video I haven’t posted yet. In it the new young worker gave my wife a death stare as she had to walk by Tom on his cart the young death stare on his cart and the husband of another worker with a rifle in a case. They made sure to be in her path for getting back to our class a. Standard criminal intimidating. Wish we could talk.