Black Lives Matter as RVers too

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Last week we featured a reader letter sent in by Tracy Schulz. Tracy and her husband, an interracial couple, describe a terribly sad and scary incident they had while camping in Florida. You can read about it here, if you haven’t already.

Nanci Dixon, one of our readers and a frequent contributing writer, responded with the comment below. Nanci, thank you for writing, and thank you to you and Tracy for starting the conversation here.

As an interracial couple, I have been spit on in Mississippi for being with my black husband and one-year-old son at a gas station.

At the birth of our second son, the nurse came in to say we could not have a private room while on welfare. I was a corporate executive and my husband worked 20 years in a public school and owned a business. We had insurance. Good insurance.

When we go to Target, if I wander away looking at something, women clutch their purses when they see him. He is 67 years old!

In the south in particular, if staying in a hotel, I go in to register to make sure we get the room and our reservation hasn’t been “misplaced.“

In South Dakota, an RVer called management to try and get rid of the “N word” from HIS park.

A group of drunk white teenagers tried to attack our middle schooler and husband in our motorhome in the number one rated park in Wisconsin. Knowing that even defending his family, my husband being black would be at risk with the police. We packed up in the middle of the night and left. The park apologized and later put adults in security rather than high schoolers.

Prejudice exists. It is insidious and day to day, every day.

This is a post I put on Facebook after the killing of George Floyd:

I have always utilized Facebook as a rather folksy, chit-chatting media outlet and refrained from political or even controversial posts. In light of the murder of George Floyd, I can no longer remain silent. I posted this on my very dear friend’s Facebook post where he was asking people to not blame all officers for the actions of the 1%.

As the mother of two black men, it was so difficult to instruct our sons on how to respond when being questioned, pulled over or otherwise addressed by the police so as to protect them from being beaten up or killed.

Unfortunately, the 1% stopped, harassed and questioned our oldest for walking in a Minnetonka neighborhood. He was on his way home to his Minnetonka house from his Minnetonka High School. It could have been him.

Unfortunately, the 1% harassed my husband and son when their car stopped near our home while waiting for AAA. It could have been them.

Unfortunately, it was the 1% that pulled my 40-plus-year-old husband out of a south Minneapolis hardware store, threw him against the squad car mistaking him for a teenager. It could have been him crying “I can’t breath.”

It was unfortunately the 1% in Mississippi that threw my then-teenage husband to the ground and put a gun to his head accusing him of driving a white man’s tractor. Mistaken identity. It could have been him.

I grew up with the idea that the police would protect me, I could always go to them for help. I am white. My granddaughter hides and says, “I am scared, Grandma” when she sees a police officer. It is so messed up.

I have had to teach my sons to fear, not just respect. We have had to teach them how to respond when DWB, Driving While Black, because they will be stopped, and it will be, and has been, often.

I have had to teach my sons to fear, to stay alive.

As Dr. King said, “A riot is the language of the unheard.” I do not condone the rioting and looting, it is so harmful and damaging to everyone, but I understand the anger and the frustration and the daily fear.

I understand being a mother, fearful her black children won’t make it home.

Again and again and again. It is enough.

Nanci Dixon

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Linda Smith
3 months ago

My white son was detained while walking in an all black neighborhood. He lived on the street! Had to show his license to prove it after he was bent over the hood of the police car. It all depends on whether you want to view yourself as a victim or a changer. He and his wife took the local kids to the zoo, handed out popsicles on hot days and generally tried to fit in despite being white.

Captn John
3 months ago

I ran a plant with over 1350 employees. 45% + were black. There was some racial tension, 99.999% of the time caused by blacks. There were EEO complaints, every one as a black did not get a promotion. I promoted on qualification only and blacks were promoted. Some had a sense of entitlement and felt the color of their skin as a qualification. Only about 7% of the employees were a problem, and 90% or more were black. The company nor I owed anyone anything but a paycheck for doing a job. Their were many required to pay child support of all colors. All did except 4 that a court required it deducted from their check ~ all were black. When a white person is murdered how many riots, how much looting, how many innocents die? I feel bad for OP as surely there are some that give her family problems. There is no justification for that. I cannot help but wonder if there is not some embellishment as well. The one interracial couple that worked at the plant once said they never had a problem at work or in their neighborhood, outside of those areas I have no idea. From what we know there is currently a very vocal minority of blacks making demands, rioting, burning, and causing the deaths of others. If anyone thinks they are doing anything positive they are wrong! A protest is not a riot. These people have MLK spinning in his grave. Racism is a bad thing but to think whites are worse than people of color is a joke.

Marvin L Bell
3 months ago
Reply to  Captn John

cap’n can i go pee? entitlement or God given right

Cindy
3 months ago

A couple of things you can teach your children which will help them most of all – Teach them to respect, and also to cooperate. This applies to both Black and White people. More whites are killed by black cops than blacks are killed by white cops. That is a fact and you can look it up. Yet I don’t teach my children fear. What is usually at issue for the 99% is when their position is disrespected (regardless of how you feel about them personally) or when they are spoken to disrespectfully, or when people are uncooperative. I realize that will never negate the 1%, but it will help everyone who deals with an officer. Most just want to do their job without problems. Don’t teach your children to fear. Teach them to be confident but differ. Teach them to speak respectfully but note WHO they are speaking with in case there is an issue they need to report later. Teach them to diffuse the situation rather than ramp it up. These rules apply equally to White and Black. Best wishes.

Alvin
3 months ago

I was sincerely hoping this non issue would not creep into the Recreational biz. In 50 years of travel with tens of thousands of miles under me, neither my wife , I or anyone we know has ever ONCE encountered race discrimination or judgment based on race – just never seen it

Sadly, Boondockers Welcome based in eastern Canada chose to get involved recently – FOR NO REASON whatsoever.

I wish we could have left this to the anarchists out there doing their thing, we don’t need this, we do not need to discuss this in RV circles – it is not a problem with any widespread traction whatsoever.

Cindy
3 months ago
Reply to  Alvin

I disagree. The percentage of Blacks who RV is small, but they deserve the same respect as anyone else. We in the RV community are just as responsible to see they are treated fairly as any other group/community. Just because YOU haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I assume you aren’t Black based on what you are saying. Decry the violence, but don’t assume that there are not people out there who want to be treated fairly.

Alvin
3 months ago
Reply to  Cindy

Cindy disagree all you want it doesn’t change a thing. I’m white and color blind. Always have been – and I repeat never seen the problem many have ( I do not deny what folks have seen), and have the wonderful pleasure of dozens of acquaintances made along this long life, of differing races and cultures some I love, some I disagree with some I laugh with, all of them I respect as humans on this earth.

Snayte
3 months ago
Reply to  Alvin

I have had it happen to my family. That is at least 3 different groups of people that have experienced racism while RVing. What number should you say is enough that we can start talking about it?

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Snayte

I agree. When I hear people say to white people that we need to take responsibility for having a conversation about raccism (because we just dont talk enough about racism in America) I begin talking about the mandatory racist discrimination imposed on whites, and only whites in education and employment. Whites enjoy no civil rights protections in America, even in jusrisdictions such as California that passed a referendum to extend those protections to ALL college students, even white college students, we find that California colleges and universities along with the courts have partially gutted those protections- but only for whites. Thus quotas are still enforced in California, though less blatantly than before. Similarly the US Government has never, not one time that I am aware of, brought a case to remedy workplace discrimination against whites. In other words, all of the various programs like affirmative action, quotas, inclusion etc that vioate the priciple of color blind treatment- the very heart of Civil Rights- have never been challenged by the US Government- rather the Us Government has frequently been the perpetrator of these discriminatory programs that sytemically exclude whites from hiring, promotions, government contracts and other benefits. If you are black and you want to get into Harvard you only need an SAT score a hundred or two lower than your white friends. And if you want to win a Federal contract the discrimination against whites is so ferocious that they frequently have regulations that mandate a certain percentage of a project will not be awarded to whites, but only whites are singled out in this way. But we also need to have a conversation about social and street discrimination. Did you know that whites are the victims of violent, felonius assaults by blacks over 500,000 times each year? In the midst of an epidemic of racist violence against white Americans is it really a great time to devalue their humanity by tearing down statues of their ancestors like Columbus, Teddy Roosevelt, and Francis Scott Key? There is much, much more to say that we NEED to cover in our conversation about racism. But, strangely enough, when I begin this conversation with people who insist that I, as a white man have a moral obligation to talk about racism, it turns out they dont want to talk about racism anymore. Darndest thing. Anyway, thanks Chuck for giving us permission to have this crucial conversation about race here at RVtravel.com.

David Binkley
3 months ago

Do yourself a favor and do a few minutes of research on BLM. Not what the MSM and politicians would like you to think it is. The two co-founders embrace and are Marxists. They are proud of it and boast about it on video and audio all over.

And their website is very telling.

Like most things in the USA, many less informed people have jumped onto the BLM bandwagon without knowing anything about them.

DebD
3 months ago
Reply to  David Binkley

How does your statement have any relationship to this post? Are you saying that these experiences did not happen?

David Binkley
3 months ago
Reply to  DebD

It relates because everywhere and anywhere anyone goes these days it is all about BLM. Commercials, 24 hour news, even posts on an RV blog. It is getting a bit over the top.

And, No, completely wrong. I am saying that everybody thinks they are an expert on all of this when in reality they know very little, if anything, about which they speak. Most opinions are based on emotions rather than fact. Used to be the other way around.

Most all media has embraced BLM before doing any homework (emotions vs. facts).

Those who do just a few minutes of homework know what they are all about…and it is a lot more than mattering about black lives.

Darla Smith
18 days ago
Reply to  David Binkley

The two co-founders of BLM may be what you say, I don’t know. But BLM has become something immeasurably bigger than they could have possibly anticipated. It’s meaning and purpose no longer belong to them, but to the world – to everyone for whom black lives deeply and truly MATTER!!

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Chuck Woodbury (@chuck)
3 months ago
Reply to  David Binkley

David Binkley, you write “many less informed people have jumped onto the BLM bandwagon without knowing anything about them.” I’d say that’s true about virtually everything these days. Watch something on Cable TV news and you’re an expert! Yeah, right.

Tom Smithbrother
3 months ago

I use to work with a lot of Black men .
Most were just regular guys, but several absolutely hated all white people and let it show in every way possible. It works both ways. Believe me , I know via personal experience. Many people never have to opportunity to work closely with others who are of a different race. A lot of the problem was created by government laws. Laws that gathered all public housing into clusters instead of disbursements through out society. Another is a law that no man can be in the home while receiving some types of assistance. The unintended consequences of that law is many, many, fatherless families. It is far past time where everyone is treated equally, like the constitution states, No longer have any special consideration based on race or even sex. Those type of laws create division, not unification. All IMHO, of course.

Alvin
3 months ago

Tom, you are dead on.
So much of this dysfunction comes from government coddling of a non issue driven by money grubbing anarchists, exasperated by fatherless homes.
The outcome is predictable and does not have a color. I truly lament the day elected officials chose to micromanage people based on their color.
A truly hideous loathsome, condition of a time I’m not particularly proud to be part of.

Richard
3 months ago

Nancy, from your post I am surmising that you have had a terrible life, full of worry, fear and conflict.

I’m 69 years old and by comparison I’ve had an easy, great life. I’ve been stopped by the police while driving lots of times. I’ve have stood my ground and on some occasions I have just stood and said yes sir no sir. I was once arrested for literally being in the wrong place at the wrong time and refused to agree to take a deal so was locked up for the night and went to court and the case was thrown out after the first police officer gave his statement. I once had to stand 50 yards away while 6 police officers in Tampa, most with one hand on their gun, surrounded my 26 year old son and questioned him about an armed robbery which had just taken place. I could go on and on but I think I have given enough for people to form an opinion.

I think 99.9% of police officers are great. Would you do their job ? I think 90% of people are great. My parents taught me many things amongst them was that the law is on your side provided you are on the side of the law. I read and re read your post and found that in MY opinion, and yes we ALL have one, far too many times I could read it and think, there are two sides to every story.

In your original post you told us about the guy who put his hand up like a gun and pointed it at you, are you SURE he wasn’t just waving to say hi or have a safe journey ? I wave at other RV’ers all the time, I’ve never had one come back and say why did you do that? I have found in the last 69 years that you usually get back what you put out. For most people, when it all goes wrong who do they call, is it their lawyer, is it the guy who services their car, no not usually, it the Police, so they can’t all be bad.

It is your granddaughter I feel most sorry for. Someone has taught her that police officers are bad and she needs to be frightened of them. She didn’t come up with it all by herself.

Protesters, protest, rioters are not protesting. Looting a store for a 60 inch TV will not put an end to inequality. If stealing a 60inch TV is all they need to get over a man being murdered we are all heading to Hell in a handcart.

This is the longest post I have ever written and that is because unlike a face to face conversation the reader will put their “slant” on what they read and not necessarily and what has been written.

Now Nancy a last BIG question for you. Am I Black, White, Hispanic, European or Asian ?

I would ask the site moderators to either accept this as written or delete the post but not to edit it.

Thanks,

Richard.

Bill T
3 months ago
Reply to  Richard

Well said. Your last question to Nancy says it all. As far as I am concerned, it makes no difference. Cheers.

Richard
3 months ago
Reply to  Bill T

Bill, that was EXACTLY the right answer.

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
3 months ago
Reply to  Richard

Thank you for your comments and insight, Richard. It includes nothing that would suggest we need to edit (e.g., block out derogatory words, name-calling or whatever) or delete it. Take care. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com

Karen Grace
3 months ago

Doe someone moderate this page…Michael’s rant seems out of order here.

Cindy
3 months ago
Reply to  Karen Grace

He is not eloquent, but his statistics are correct. If more Black mothers taught their sons to be afraid of gangs and of drugs rather than the police, the whole community would be better off. Let’s get the priorities right. That applies to people of every color.

Captn John
3 months ago
Reply to  Karen Grace

Karen ~~ you like censorship when facts get in the way of your agenda?

Renee
3 months ago
Reply to  Karen Grace

Don’t be a Karen, Karen. I may not like what was said, but you’re attitude for censorship is wrong………people have the right to voice their opinion. We are talking about what is left of the US of A for goodness sake! The attitude that “I don’t like what you are saying so I’m going to call for it to be censored; expose (Doxx) you; ruin your livelihood; destroy your business; violently assault you……” you choose, Karen, because that’s what is happening ALL ACROSS our country at this very moment . Why is all of this okay yet one person is not allowed to voice their opinion because YOU don’t like it?

Karen Grace
3 months ago

I find it REALLY offensive to have a gun ad placed in the middle of this powerful and violent story. What’s the point…and what’s the message it’s sending!?

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
3 months ago
Reply to  Karen Grace

Wow, Karen! Thank you for telling us! That would be an auto-inserted ad from Google, which we have no control over the content — and we don’t know what will show up for each reader. However, since you mentioned this, I just went in and turned off that function so that NO ads will be showing up in this very important and heartfelt message. Thanks again! Take care. 😀 —Diane at RVtravel.com

Steve Baker
3 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Please, enough with the hoplophobia! Guns protect people of all races. Just ask former US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice. In the ’60s, her dad used his rifle to ward off a bunch of KKK terrorists who were getting ready to light their family’s house on fire.

https://youtu.be/56JSdttIv1k

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
3 months ago
Reply to  Steve Baker

Hey, Steve. I am the owner of a .357 Magnum S&W, so I’m obviously not “hoplophobic.” And both of my sons have safes full of various types of guns. So, no. I am not against guns by any stretch of the imagination. It was just that Google automatically, and very insensitively (because they’re not screened), put a gun ad in the middle of a very sensitive post from one of our readers about what her biracial family has been subjected to just for being biracial. I pulled that ad and the possibility of other insensitive ads being automatically placed in that post specifically because of the content of the post. I don’t care if gun ads pop up automatically in other posts. But thank you for bringing this up so I could clarify why I did what I did. (And thank you for teaching me a new word.) Take care. 🙂 —Diane (aka Mountain Mama) at RVtravel.com

Kipp
3 months ago

I am a white man, further I am in law enforcement. I have been pulled over too many times to count, usually for not wearing a seat belt. I have been mistaken for someone else when I was forced out of my car and instructed to “walk backwards to me with your hands in the air. Get on the ground!” Guess what I did? I walked backwards and got on the ground. As a young man, my father (a white man) explained to me how to get pulled over. He DEMANDED that I place my hands on the wheel, turn the radio off and do only what the Officer says. Guess what I have passed on to my four kids? My son (white) was stopped and questioned while walking through a park where other people were walking. As he was questioned, guess what he did? I get it, no one wants to be stopped by police, no one wants to answer questions. But in reach of these examples, officers were doing their jobs in protecting the area they served. Yes, it is just 1% of bad cops. But, it’s not just cops, there are bad employees in EVERY line of work. We hear about cops because they are easy to pick on. What happened in Minneapolis, was horrible, but happens daily in cities like Chicago is also horrific (black on black crime/murders). Where is that outrage? Again, I am not, and never will approve or support of what happened in Minneapolis, but to say that all police are bad, is the same as saying all people are bad. Not true.

Diane K.
2 months ago
Reply to  Kipp

I’m not bragging… but I’ve been pulled over by police (more than David Letterman) 84 times in my lifetime!… on my motorcycle, in my El Camino, in my Z28, in my GMC Sierra, in my company van, borrowing other peoples’ vehicles (not even including my snowmobile!). I actually received 17 moving violations, 6 of which I won in court.

Three turned violent in which I was either arrested or summoned to court. Twice, the officers apologized in court, and both cases were thrown out. I have 1 felony on my record where it is documented I was traveling 15 mph’s in a 30 zone on a Kawasaki Ninja.

I’ve had long Elvira-blonde hair almost all my life, and milky white skin.

Think I was profiled AND harassed?? U bet your ass! >>and I’m not black. White lives matter, too. Black folks will never get my sympathy. We’re all in this together. But, I still like cops. Gotta respect ‘em for the most part. I wouldn’t want that job…

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RV Staff (@rvstaff)
2 months ago
Reply to  Diane K.

I don’t think I’ll ever be riding with you, Diane. Just sayin’. 😆 —Diane at RVtravel.com

DJ Napora
3 months ago

We have to begin to fix this, not by tearing down statues, spray painting and looting, but in our own homes. Start with our own families, teach the children the correct ways. Vote for change, and if you protest, do it the right way. I did over 45 years ago! Ms Nanci wrote us a sad letter, but believe me it is changing, although slowly.. Most folks are good, open, friendly, helpful and caring. I refuse to believe that most are bad seeds. I will not hang out with rotten apples, and do not condone it!
As far as the tough cops around towns, they have to clean up their own! Just like doctors or lawyers or any professional group would. I can not apologize for them, or my skin color, or some bigot. I can only lead by example, and pray to God that others are following.
Thank you and God bless ALL!

Terry Dube
3 months ago

Nanci. Thank you for sharing which truly should never be. So many choose to divide instead of finding a common thread. Humanity continues to fall short of what Jesus tells us to do. I am so sorry and may He continue to protect you, your family and so many who are persecuted for no rational reason.

Sue
3 months ago
Reply to  Terry Dube

biracial family here – large family, some adopted -we’re a real rainbow. I understand completely. And I teach all of my children the same – choose your friends wisely, stay out of trouble, obey the law, show respect, comply with leo’s requests/commands, de-escalate. One son is a law enforcement officer – he can tell some stories as well. Racial bias comes in all colors – one race we are, the human race – Someday, please God, that will be the universal understanding. Until then, we each can only work hard to be part of the solution.

Richard
3 months ago
Reply to  Sue

amen to that.

Debbie PJ
3 months ago

I am so sorry~ I think stories like yours will hopefully open the eyes of all of us. I really hope if I witness anything like that I would speak up in you or your family defense…God Bless

Michael
3 months ago

I am so sick of this malicious framing of the issue. I am soooo sick of the deliberate omission of the truth. I am just sick of the permanent efforts to remove the responsibility for black folks problems from black folks themselves and drop blame on the head of whitey. Its organized, deliberate and systemic racism perpetrated by the media, the government, corporate America, and now, sadly, one of the VERY few places whitey could escape this incessant racism- Rvtravel.com.

Lets just reveiw a few facts, shall we? Did you know that each year in this country blacks commit over 500,000 violent, felonius assaults against whites per year? Thats a lot of deaths, hospitalizations, and trauma, but you didnt know that, because it doesnt fit the narrative that Rvtravel.com is now helping to write. Do you remember the knockout game? Polar bear hunting? Or any of the other euphemisms for the sport in which black teens attack whites, because they are white? Imagine the colors were reversed. Did you know that blacks commit over 85% of the black/white violent victimizations? Thats right, whitey commits less than 15%. The facts speak clearly: black Americans are, and have been since statistics have been kept, comitting violent crime all out of proportion to their numbers. And that, ladies and gentlemen has a lot to do with why blacks runs afoul of the police all out of proportion to their numbers. We have racist cops, yes. But remember, black cops in study after study treat black suspects in the SAME way white cops do. We do not have a systemic racism problem. We have a black behavior problem. You are being lied to. But, let us be honest with each other. We knew that. Thats why we live, nealy all of us, in substantially white or white/asian neighborhoods. Thats not an accident. We knew.

Still cling to your Officially Approved. Arrative of horrible white people and systemic racism? Do a thought experiment with me. Imagine it were whites, enraged by systemic discrimination in employment and education took to violent riots and the tearing down of all things black like MLK statues, street signs and demanding the renaming of public structures. Imagine the mob occupying a section of Seattle and declaring themselves a nation. I think we all understand what would happen to those people. Unlike the current situation with prosecutors dropping charges and policeman being railroaded by prosecutors afraid of the mob, the white people in our stoty would be branded white supremacists and the National Gaurd would be sent in to put down the riots by any means necassary. Instead we are making excuses for looters by relying on the lie of systemic racism. But America is unfair to black people?

There is injustice. There is racism. There are bad cops, racist cops, and stupid cops. All true. But what is not true is that there is systemic racism in American policing. In fact the only victims remaining of systemic, legal and mandatory racism in America are whites- who widely suffer discrimination in employment and education- the goverment and cracker haters like to call it Affirmative Action, or set asides, or diversity, or inclusion, or anti-racism- but whatever euphemsim is used it means that whites are discriminated against BY LAW. But America is unfair to black people.

That doesnt mean we should excuse mistreatment of black people. But what it does mean is the we must stop using black misbehavior as an excuse to denigrate and mistreat whites. And dont kid yourself- if you are parroting the Black Lives Matter narrative you are perpetuating a lie, a narrative that is being used to defund our police, railroad cops through a politicized trial, and justify the continued denigration of all things white as “racist”. Stop the lies! Stop hating whitey! Only then can we work together to make a better country for ALL Americans. Because ALL Lives Matter.

POBoyPCB
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

It is amazing to me that otherwise intelligent individuals cannot or will not recognize clear statistics such as those noted!
One cannot condone the mistreatment of any individual of whatever color, but the statistically rare occasion of this does not justify riot and destruction of cities.
Riot and destruction of cities will do nothing toward bringing forth cooperation and acceptance between blacks and whites and I am insistent that those behaviors will serve only to cause greater divides.
Black lives DO matter and SO ALSO DO WHITE LIVES!
Yes, racists exist. That has always been true and probably always will be. But so many of us white people have have lived among, worked with, taught, and had black friends for all of our lives and it is time for the black population to ALSO do their part!

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  POBoyPCB

I too used to be amazed at the willful ignorance of far too many Americans. Then I learned that the vast majority of people do not hold their opinions because they have carefully weighed facts, crafted logical conclusions based on those facts, and judiciously arrived at a summary. Nah! Most peole hold the opinions they do because they are afraid. They dont want to be unpopular, so they kneel before the mob. And as the mob becomes increasingly fascist, attacking ones character, ones children, ones income they bring more and more cowards to heel. Pretty soon they can claim a “majority” position and you get weaklings literally crawling on their bellies to wash black people’s feet. Does anyone want to claim that is the action of a healthy human being rather than a deeply damaged and frightened creature suffering Stockholm Syndrome? The power of the mob is real, just ask Clarence Thomas and his fellow ‘rogue’ blacks. Fear, and good old fashioned race hatred explains most of the willful ignorance we see. The bottom line is there can NEVER be racial peace until the racists are no longer in charge and their fascist mob is demobilized.

Dave R
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

Ok, so enlighten me and tell me who are the racists that are in charge and who are the members of their fascist mob. I want to know the facts of which you speak. You seem to espouse a lot of opinion without much fact yourself.

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave R

Well we could start with the favorite President of so many confused and frightened folks- A man who attended a racist church for 17 years and then laughably claimed he never heard anything racist while in church! He said he must have been absent those days👌He then went on to be the President of the United States and stoked racial division to the best of his ability for 8 years. The man who wrote not one but 2 books explaining his hostility to whites, albeit in flowing prose! Thats who I mean by ‘elites’. As for the mob, easy enough: who are those that use hate speech targeting their fellow Americans for their opinions as opposed to their behavior? Those who target people for thier opinions, attacking their children and their imcome are Fascists. That is the mob of whom i speak. Have a great day and dont be a Fascist!

Dave R
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

You seem to enjoy throwing the word fascist around. Yes, it is easy enough to point out the mob, those who use hate speech targeting their fellow Americans for their opinions as opposed to their behavior. It’s amazing how well you can describe your own actions. Now don’t you be a Fascist!!

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave R

I havent targeted anyone for their opinions. That is your tactic. I have pointed out the moral failings of those who have chosen to attack me personally rather than debate my facts or argument. Its called bullying. Please point out even one instance when you challenged the facts or disputed my logic. Just one! I have also asked, repeatedly for you and the others who have smeared me to provide one, even one example of my “bigoted” remarks. Crickets. You bully because its all you have. Its why you are losing.

Christine Gray
3 months ago
Reply to  POBoyPCB

Wow!! PoBoy and Michael, you guys are pathetic! I hate to hear such misinformation being perpetrated. Neither of you have the slightest idea of the systematic denigration of the Black community that has occurred by “whitey” since African Americans were brought to this country in chains. I fear there is no chance for you to be educated, since you seem so clearly convinced of the rightness of your point of view. However, there are many books that I have seen recommended in recent weeks to learn about systemic racism and the role it plays in most people’s lives. I wish you would try to open your mind and read one of these books. I fear for our country knowing that there are probably many, many people out there who are as lacking in self-knowledge as you two.

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Christine Gray

Typical. You provide no facts. No argument. You simply indulge in childish name calling. You say I peddle ‘misinformation’ yet you give not one single example of such. This is the racialized Left, Ladies and Gentlemen. They terrorize with insult and namecalling, hoping to create fear in their opponents. We should just shut up! Facts and logic, reason and fairness play little if any role in the tactics of the racialized Left.

Alvin
3 months ago
Reply to  Christine Gray

Christine Gray might do a little research and learn who played a more than significant role in rounding up “clients” for shipment to North America from Africa. She might just be shocked as hell to find it wasn’t all about whitey, and it wasn’t all about whitey once those poor folks got here either.
As they say ‘there’s two sides to every story and the other side of this one is very conveniently hidden in plain sight in the literature – if you care to look, which you obviously haven’t – and that’s sad.

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

Wow, I’m sad to see these comments. I am white, 63, and have witnessed my share of bigotry (especially over the last 10 years). Put yourselves in the shoes of a black man and tell me you wouldn’t fear the cops. You simply don’t understand what is meant by “white privilege” because you’ve never lived without it. And you don’t understand what is conveyed by “Black Lives Matter”. If All lives matter, then why are Blacks so mistreated, and so fearful for their lives when pulled over? Remove the fear and hate in your heart, and you will happier.

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

Btw, I am NOT the Michael who responded with bigotry above.

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

Again, this is how the racialized Left respond to argument- not with facts, not with logic, but by casting stones. “Bigot” he spits! And yet he does not point out a single bigoted remark i made. Not one. He uses the most hatefilled, inflammatory language in present day America and yet does not feel compelled to justify his hatred with a single example. DO NOT be intimidated by the haters, Ladies and Gentlemen- DONT run and hide from the race fascists- for if you do then your children and grandchildren will inherit a country dominated by hate and race war and doomed to the fate of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and all the other societies based on hate.

Dave R
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

No one has to call you a bigot. Your words in fact clearly identify you as one. What rage you must feel when you realize that soon whitey will be the minority in the US. “The radicalized left respond to argument-not with facts, not with logic, but by casting stones.” I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone where there’s a parallel universe for those exact words, minus the radicalized left part, can be used to describe our current president. So Ladies and Gentlemen do not be intimidated by haters, don’t run and hide from the race fascists-for if you do you will become part of the problem rather than the solution. Black Lives Matter and to say All Lives Matter belittles Black Lives.

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave R

Another perfect example of the moral degeneracy of the racialized Left. He uses the most dehumanizing language available to him to demonize me- because we have political disagreements. Yet while he hates, he does not think- he does not name one of my words that is “bigoted”. Not one! Do not fear the bullies. They have no facts, no truth, just their own rage. They are on the wrong side of history and when the last phase of the Civil Rights movement finally arrives to fully incorporate ALL americans under its protections these people will be widely recognized as the KKK of our time.

Dave R
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

You would be too funny for words if you weren’t so pathetic. All I did was throw your own language back at you without calling you a name. I have no rage toward you nor do I hate you, there’s no need. You seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is a moral degenerate of the left. So it’s ok for you to throw out names in dehumanizing language to demonize me, because I disagree with you, but not for me. Do not fear the bullies like Michael, because he has no truth, just his own rage. Chew on your own words.

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave R

You have still yet to name one remark I have made that justifies your smear of “bigot” that you applied to me. You have danced around like a drunken sailor, repeating me like a 3 y.o., but you have yet to provide one single, solitary example of your smear. Those are your values. They are the values of the race fascists. And that is why ultimately you are losing the hearts and minds of the decent and the fair. People are sick and tired of the bullying and the name calling and the fascism.

I, or rather you and a couple of others have made my point better than i could about the moral failures of the bullies- so I think Im done here. Something tells me you really, really need the last smear- so knock yourself out.

Alvin
3 months ago
Reply to  Dave R

……………..and those nice folks destroying Seattle and other fine cities haven’t a bigoted bone in their wretched bodies – of course not, nothing to note there. How sad.

Alvin
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

I’ve known many “black” people, and have yet to meet one that came from a stable home with good role models that wasn’t as fine a person as myself, my neighbour and the guy who employed me for 40 years, all I think were white folks – but what do I know- I’m color blind.

Alvin
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

Want an example of racism? check out what’s happening in South Africa (you will not find this on CNN – you have to work at this)
Makes what’s going on anywhere else seem pretty tame.

Marvin L Bell
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael

Have you ever seen a lynching? it is not just the cops – it is systemic racism in housing, employment, treatment by whites when we go shopping as if we are there to steal merchandise, even treatment by the white officers on active duty – the list goes on and on and on.

I have a bottle of castor-oil for your sickness – that’s if you are sick?

I am a Retired Military Officer, Rank of Colonel, of 28 years of my life defending our Constitutional Rights as US Citizens.

If you did not know my career achievements – I am just another disgruntled American, who happens to be a Black Man – not so..

Oh, I grew up in the 60’s in Mississippi on my Grandparents 80-acre farm who witnessed firsthand treatments of Black Americans. At the age of 12, a young white boy about the same age as I, while my Grandfather were waiting on the cotton ginning docks, he walked up and call my Grandfather a nigger. Why i replied? My Grandfather replied “JIM CROW LAWS” son.

I am now 67 Years old – 55 Years Later. So, until you have walked in the shoes of Black Americans – Please take the time to listen and learn. George Floyd should be alive today but a cop – who was Jury, Judge and Executioner hid behind the “Badge” to kill – a trend all across the world – and our “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave”.

I like for you to respond Marvin.bell@wildblue.net

Michael
3 months ago
Reply to  Marvin L Bell

Col. Bell I have often found that folks who insist I have a conversation with them about racism very quickly change their minds. Understanding that good and decent people can and do disagree, I am always willing to have that conversation. May I suggest you start with my response to Alvins own comment, it is several questions above.

Steve Baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Marvin L Bell

Dear Colonel Bell (ret.),

Thank you for your service to our country from this white boy who grew up in an inner-city neighborhood. My father was a minister. He felt the need to minister to poor folks instead of accepting the lucrative call to pastor at a megachurch in the suburbs. Our church was multiracial. Something that was all too rare in my formative years in the 1960s.

Folks, if we EVER want to heal this division being fomented in America, we HAVE to start treating each other as individuals, not members of this or that group. When you meet someone of any color, creed, or any other attribute the politicians use to divide us into buckets, treat them with respect as an INDIVIDUAL.

Didn’t Dr. King himself say he hoped for a day when we could all be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin? That’s a statement that encourages us to treat each other as individuals. Yes, there are people of bad character and they should be shunned and/or punished if criminals, but please, let’s resist the temptation to play into the hands of evil people who try to use identity politics to divide us so they can seek power to rule us with an iron Marxist fist, constantly picking the scab off the wounds of the past. We can’t change history but we can make a better future, one individual friendship at a time.

Diane K.
2 months ago
Reply to  Michael

Michael: I could not have said it better myself! Thanx for letting me vent (through U).

Oh, and by the way… Tell every cry baby out there to stop tearing down our flags and statues! Who the hell is ANYONE to think they can erase our American history?? It’s anti-American. Whether representing the North or the South, our white forefathers made this country great… not what it has turned into today… a mockery of the laws and freedoms we owe to those patriots. After all, ALL the great founding fathers were rebels at some point>>when they picked up arms against the Queen! We need to make America great again.

Why should teaching white history become less Constitutional, or more politically incorrect, than teaching black history?? It’s gotten out of control, people! Don’t try to hide the building of this great nation.

The Jews don’t sweep The Holocaust under the rug. Let history teach us to do better…

Bryan Barlow
3 months ago

Nanci Dixon, you and your family would be welcome guests of ours anytime.
Bryan Barlow

Wendy Bell
3 months ago

It is systemic. We must change it in our own hearts and in our systems.

Christine Gray
3 months ago

Nanci, your letter is incredibly powerful, and terribly sad. I do believe there is implicit racism in nearly everybody. I have felt it in myself, even though I believe strongly that we are all equal. I think it’s nearly impossible not to have at least a little. The important thing is to recognize it and work to mitigate it. I consider myself an anti racist, and am so hopeful our country is going through a reckoning that may lead to self improvement, and improvement in our systems.

Irv
3 months ago

We need to get rid of unions for public service employees. They exist only to keep rotten apple employees from getting fired.

Larry
3 months ago

1% ? Listening to your story and reading all the stories of police excesses throughout the country it has to be way higher sad to say.

Bob H
3 months ago

I am so very sorry for what you and your family have had to endure, and for all the families that have gone through the same ordeals. Even one time is too many.
I truly believe that 99% of police are decent people who want to “serve and protect” their fellow human beings. I wish there were some magic infallible way to weed out the 1% who aren’t. In the long run, I think societal pressure and active nonacceptance (saying something) of racist attitudes will help that 1% to drop – but that’s long term. In the shorter term, the more realistic and most effective way is to create policies and procedures that clearly spell out acceptable and unacceptable behaviors and create REAL and MEANINGFUL, swift penalties for officers that fail to adhere to those procedures and practice those behaviors.

Bill T
3 months ago
Reply to  Bob H

It’s a sad day when we have to start legislating human decency.