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Larry

Chuck,
I wish you would add this to the list of beefs you write about rv’ing these days.

Some people are acting like their poop don’t stink! Nor is it dirty, nor potentially infectious. I am finding incredible messes at dump stations more and more frequently. During a 5 night stay last week at NY’s Cayuga Lake State Park, twice I found the dump station covered with bits of dried toilet paper. You and I both know what it was mixed with before drying out. Over the past two weeks I found similar, but not as bad, messes at NY’s Wellesley Island SP and Robert Moses – Thousand Island SP. A couple of years ago I found mounds of hardened, dried poop on the ground near the drain. That was at Starved Rock SP in Illinois during the week of the July 4 holiday.

Then there are the folks who do not bother about gloves or even soap and water when handling the sewage hoses and implements: Wiping their faces, smoking , even eating and drinking while dumping. Ugh! That is scary and disgusting.

Maybe some instructional publicity from your columns and/or from the industry would help. Maybe some shaming of the slobs would make a difference. After all, those rinse hoses at the dump stations are there for a reason!

Eric Meslin

Chuck,

Just completed one month of travel that was completely planned and reserved. We did this because we were coordinating with family and were on a set schedule. But I have to say, it wasn’t as much fun as drifting along without firm plans. Instead, there was a lot of pressure to stick to the schedule. Hopefully, an experience not to be repeated.

Cheryl Carr

I agree with what Chuck is saying. After staying at the same campground in the Seattle area for the last 2 years we were told when we went to check in we were number 12 on the waiting list. This was in spite of the fact we had put our names on the waiting list in August of last year. When we checked on our status in April we were told we were at the top of the list. Since we are planning on returning to the Seattle area every year we bought into a Camping Club in Lake Stevens. We can stay here for up to 6 months a year.

J.O.

I bought my older travel trailer for camping in BC, where I live. Because I tow with an SUV, I camp in the Interior to avoid driving over major hills.

I have to say that now that there is a reservation system in place, it is incredibly hard to grab a Provincial Camp site in our own back yard. at one of the lakes. The bloody commercial RV rentals, often rent the RVs with sites booked for their guests – they have staff and BOTs and can get on the phone and computers and book the sites up right away, as soon as the reservation times open. And this happens even with the new rules the BC Provincial gov’t put in place last year.

It’s a royal pain in the butt. Many of the popular sites are only reservable and to reserve, you have to pay the reservation fee on top of the campsite fee. There are a few non-reservable spots in some camp sites, but you take your chance on getting to the camp site and having one of the handful of non-reservable sites still available. So, you can be packed and then have to turn around and leave.

For our forestry sites, you pretty much have go up a few days mid-week, in advance, and plant a tent or leave your RV on the site, to get a weekend site.

As for the private RV sites, if you don’t book well in advance, it’s pretty tough.

I love camping, but it is getting frustrating trying to find a spot.

Terry Novotney

I agree with others. too much negative and repitition. How do I disenroll? Not looking for an argument or discussion. I just want to stop getting the newsletter.

rlag

What ever happened to “This date in history”?

Jillie

I managed to secure camp sites before leaving for Montana and Yellowstone. The best one in Yellowstone is the KOA west. I don’t do bears and from what we heard about Yellowstone camp sites we decided KOA was our best options. Especially the one at Glacier in Montana. So if you need a spot in Yellowstone? KOA. They also have tour groups come out to you and we had a great time. Learned more about Yellowstone than doing it ourselves. Also Glacier KOA is terrific too.

Jerry J

Chuck,
On your article about Insufficient Site Capacity a Myth you used “Fishing Bridge RV Park” as an example. Couldn’t you use a better example. When researching this campground I find it is open from May 11 to Sept 5, less than 5 months at less than $45 a night and on top of a 8,000ft mountain. Add to that it’s a national park where you would expect limited facilities or intrusions of a natural wonder. Being such a popular area to visit, sure it’s going to fill up quick. Sure they have 346 with full hookups, but it’s a poor example to use to prove your point. It’s gonna take you an hour to drive out of the mountain to get anywhere else.

Just an example of another popular area, I looked at Las Vegas and found at least a dozen campgrounds on Good Sam site and several from Google Earth. All within 20-30 minute drive.

Darrel

“Members of Thousand Trails can now stay all year if they pay the price.”

Sort of. With MOST Thousand Trails that offer annual sites, the rig itself can stay every night of the year. However, occupants are limited to the number of days/nights in the park.

Apparently in some (most?) states this is necessary to keep the designation of “campground” with a different taxation rate. The number of nights I see quoted most often is 210 night per year.

I’m a long time Thousand trails members on multiple member driven discussion sites. (no we are not annuals ourselves).

Check it out directly with Encore corporate if you want to verify.

Kathy Mazzuchelli

Maybe there is a shortage of campgrounds according to some….but to those entreprenaurs that want to make a buck…..what a great opportunity….do the research, buy the land and set up the RV park…..it’s a no brainer…..the people that look at the thorns all the time…..miss the beauty of the rose !!!!

Patrecia Shaw

I shared the info about the new RV horror stories FB group on many of my FB RV groups. I sent the info to admins or moderators. Also shared rvtravel.com info. One can get booted out of groups for sharing links. So I let them make the choice. A few have replied so far , so expect a few new members

Sue

My husband and I were “vacation” RVers (one to two weeks at a time) before we retired in 2004 at age 55. The next ten years we had a house but traveled in our RV for 8-9 months of the year. Then we sold our house and full-time RV’d from 2014-2017. It got so frustrating to find decent campsites that we came off the road and bought another house. It’s been over a year since we’ve taken our 5th-wheel out.

What happened? The explosion of RVing — just too much hassle making and modifying reservations, inability to stay where we want when we want, too crowded campgrounds, from boondocking sites on BLM land and national forests out West to military campgrounds, state and national parks, and the few private RV parks we chose. Didn’t matter if we were seeking nice places for a few days or a season, it was generally just too much hassle by 2017. It was a struggle to make four different reservations when/where we wanted for two months this coming winter but we finally managed.

We got spoiled before and during the recession by being able to be much more spontaneous about where we stayed than we could after about 2012, when more and more folks could afford RVing again and more people began full-timing (yes, us included!) for whatever reason. I don’t wish poor economic times on anyone. The more recent booming economy is a factor in many ways, including enabling more people to afford the lifestyle, as well as making housing prices unaffordable in some areas. I hope everyone who wants to see N. America in an RV can do it like we have. I’m just glad we started 14 years ago and not today.

We still enjoy your newsletters very much, Chuck, and applaud your efforts to improve the industry for us consumers. Keep up the good work re: inexpensive overnight options besides Walmart, increasing RV lemon laws, improving the quality of new RVs, finding unsafe electrical boxes, and everything else you and your staff are doing. We’re happy to be “members.”

rvgrandman

The park we are in is probably 75% full-timers. There are the retirees, those working and those here for either the summer then go south for the winter or here for a month or two to visit family or see the area. The retirees keep their sites looking nice, the workers can look trashy. What irritates me most in this park are those who have more than one car. They use up the visitor/overflow parking sites for their second one (even though their site is big enough for two, even some won’t park any vehicles in their site which means using two visitor/overflow spots which also includes the spots in front of the laundry building. There are even couples here who have three vehicles. The fault for this is the management who allows this to go on for the money. The park also pushes people to ‘skirt’ their RV if they are going to be here for the winter. This adds to the ‘trashy’ look.

As for visitors, there is a section left open. But if someone wants or needs to stay for a couple months there is a wait list even though there are empty sites. I have friends who needed a spot for two months for medical treatment. They were told there were no spots available even though there is. It is a game the management plays. I have worked in RV parks and campgrounds as a Workamper but never seen it done like it is here.

Bill Myers

We just completed a 4,000 mile trip in our RV crossing nine
states. Even though we didn’t have campground reservations, we had no problem finding campsites. Most of the parks we stayed at were half full.

We stayed at commercial RV parks as well as state parks and one Casino RV park. The state parks were nicer, had more room between sites, and cost less, except the Casino RV park which was free and had hookups.

Most state parks are ten or more miles off the main roads and since many RV’ers prefer not to travel the backroads, sites at these parks are readily available.

Sure, the most visited campgrounds like Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon will be booked up. But there are so many other great places that won’t be. These other places won’t be full of tourists or traffic jams. We prefer those.

Dennis Adams

One more comment.
If you think RVing is going to provide a private outdoor wilderness experience you better get in shape and be able to get 5 miles into the trails on foot. The norm is more being on top of the rig next to you, smoldering fires, outdoor 46 inch TVs and lights on all night killing the night sky.

Kevin

I’ve been to some of those parks that have “space”. Often those sites are vacant because they are to short, to narrow or impossible to maneuver a trailer into. So they stay vacant. While I fulltime, I stay 14 days or so in each park and move on. I want to see the country not the same view day after day. Parks that don’t keep making improvements (adding more 50 amp and sewer sites) even if it means decreasing the inventory of sites are doomed to failure .

G VanKoughnett Canada

Still look forward to reading this each week. As you point out there is a lot of negative things in the RV world but someone has to identify them. Keep up the good work.

RetiredChip

Unfortunately, I suspect full-timers are the future for parks. They are guaranteed money for the park and cheap rent for the tenants. I believe the increase has more to do with the unaffordable prices for housing rent and ownership. Look for this trend to continue.
I found that full-time spaces are often less than clean, jam packed with junk and relegates RV travelers to substandard lots.

Vincent Salmela

I Agree with you on needing more RV parks and space. However as a business owner isn’t it your job to keep the park full so you remain in business? If that means having people long term at the expense of short term stays that’s what I would do too! Your not getting paid when no one is there. As a business owner, I would take the long term people all day long . So we can’t blame the park owners. Must find another solution and I don’t know what that is.

F. Gisler

I’m with Kris who wrote in this morning around 8:00. The negative vibe from rvtravel.com has gotten to be too much.
Also, a lot of repetitive news & information.
Honestly, the lack of locations to camp is due to more and more full-timers (isn’t that you, Chuck?!) It’s a trend that doesn’t seem like it will be going away anytime soon. Along with full-timing come the complaints about components of RVs not working perfectly. People don’t seem to realize that RVs are NOT MEANT TO BE LIVED IN FULL TIME!! There are condos and stationary mobile homes for that purpose!
My hubby and I will continue to camp in the locations we love here in CA where a site can be reserved in advance and there is a 14-day limit to how long you can stay. Then you move on and someone else can enjoy the same spot! We never have a problem finding a site because we plan ahead knowing that a spot is waiting for us when we arrive.
I’m unsubscribing from this newsletter this morning. Thanks for all you do but it’s time to move on.