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Sunday, January 12, 2020
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CLICK: A short trip update from editor Chuck Woodbury

Is new self-serve RV park the wave of the future?

We like the idea of this self-serve, full-hookup RV park. It’s much like what we have proposed at for a couple of years. It makes sense — pull in, pay with a credit card, and hook up. But we have one serious issue with it. Read about the park and our misgivings about one aspect of it.

NFL quarterback headed out on a cross-country RV trip

And he’s looking for tips about what to see and do along the route between Florida and Southern California. Read more.

Did you miss yesterday’s RV Travel?

If so, stories you missed: Editor Chuck Woodbury’s essay about fun things to see and do around Needles, CA • No RVs at this new campground, just “glampers” at $149 to $514 a night • Okay to RV with chickens? • RV Shrink: I feel like I’m being booked into jail when checking into a campground! • Troubleshooting short circuits – Part 1 of 3: The basics

Read it here | Back issues

That was the RV week that was

January 5–11, 2020

How happy are you with the job the National Park Service does of managing your national treasures? The Service itself wanted to know and commissioned a survey. Results? The vast majority (88 percent) of respondents indicated that they were “very satisfied” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way the NPS manages the national parks, national seashores, historic sites, battlefields, national monuments and other designations. Very few (3 percent) respondents were “very dissatisfied” or “somewhat dissatisfied.” Source: 2018 nationwide survey of more than 2,700 adults conducted by the Resource Systems Group of White River Junction, Vermont, and the Wyoming Survey & Analysis Center at the University of Wyoming, via

LCSO photo

Unusually hot weather in Leesburg, Florida, turned frigid last Saturday – from a high of 87 in nearby Melbourne down to the mid-40’s later that night. Along the way, a freakish spot of weather blasted through the Holiday RV Park south of town, blasting off roofs, and sending one man on a drive to the hospital by himself after a limb lobbed through his home, leaving him with a gashed head. Weather whizzes from the National Weather Service confirmed an oddball tornado was responsible.

If a semi-truck blasts past you on the freeway, do you wonder just what sort of fuel economy they’re getting? A council of trucking firms has released information on its members fleet economy. By their numbers, in 2009 the average mile-per-gallon figure for the fleet was 6.27. When 2018 rolled around, fuel economy jumped up to 7.27 mpg. Partly accounting for the jump is the shift to more economical trucks, but the report issued by the group indicates more could actually be achieved if drivers eased up on the throttle: In 2016, 94 percent of the industry set 65 mph as a “top speed,” but in 2018 it had dropped to only 76 percent that kept the speed down.

Last week we reported on a motorhome-involved traffic accident in Nampa, Idaho. At the time we reported that the motorhome driver, who was not named by authorities, had been thrown from his rig. We are saddened to report that the Ada County Coroner now reports that the driver, Bruce Harris (67) has died from his injuries. The accident is still under investigation.

The mega-wildfires in Australia have burned more than a million acres, turning lives upside down. Now a doctor, with the help of his motorhome, is helping survivors try and get on with their lives. On New Year’s Eve, fire destroyed Dr. Jeffrey Lee’s medical practice in Cobargo – an office he’s tended for 30 years. Instead of packing up and leaving, Lee observed of the locals, “These are traditional country people. They prefer to talk to someone they know is a local and they’ve known for a long time,” he reported to Lee turned a motorhome equipped with solar panels into his temporary practice, helping with minor injuries, since most of his instruments were lost in the fire. But for many of his patients, Dr. Lee spends more time listening and consoling. While he says his motorhome provides more space than his old consultation room, he’s looking toward rebuilding his practice in the future.

Think you’re paying too much tax on your RV here in the U.S.? Motorhomers in the Yorkshire region of the U.K. are most decidedly up in arms. New motorhomes and “campervans” licensed since September 1 are being hit with a 705-percent duty to encourage lower exhaust emissions. The RV manufacturing industry is indignant, pointing out that van owners aren’t hit with the tax, and most U.K. motorhomes are built on a van chassis. Politicians are scrambling, promising the issue will be “sorted” and made right.

It’s the time of year to line up camp hosting positions – and Michigan needs you. The state’s Department of Natural Resources is taking applications for assignments across the state. A free site is available in exchange for 30 hours of volunteer service per week, doing things such as helping folks locate a site, doing light maintenance, and planning camp activities. Want more information? Contact Michelle Coss at (517) 881-5884 or visit

Under current U.S. law, Canadian snowbirds can stay in the U.S. for six months without fear of being considered “taxable” under IRS regulations. A bill is before Congress that would extend the visits without taxation issues out to eight months. Not surprisingly, the push behind the effort comes from two Florida senators who no doubt see an economic windfall if Canadians could stay longer – and buy more. Not all Canadians are jumping on the bandwagon, however. Most snowbirds have families and obligations back home; and provincial healthcare laws might also put a big crimp in any thought of staying more than six months as well. And in the current climate of resistance toward “foreigners” it may suffer the same fate as previous attempts to pass similar legislation – a “go nowhere” scenario.

A New Year’s Day theft that saw two military service veterans parted from their Class A motorhome has had a quick turn. Richard McGrath and his wife are both veterans, and parents of two children. The McGraths recently moved from Colorado to Washington state, their rig loaded with their stuff. On arrival, they found an apartment and moved in, leaving their motorhome at a Kent, Washington, storage facility. On New Year’s, crooks cruised off with the motorhome, and inside, a lot of stuff with sentimental value. On January 3, reports came in that the stolen motorhome had turned up in Idaho. No word yet on the condition of the rig.

If you have had problems with Goodyear Marathon tires on your fifth-wheel trailer, attorneys working with are investigating whether a class action lawsuit can be filed in light of complaints that the tires are susceptible to tread separations and blowouts as early as the first several thousand miles. It’s believed the company is aware of the tire failures as dozens of drivers have reportedly brought their tires to Goodyear dealers to have them fixed or replaced. In addition, at least 100 complaints have been registered with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) regarding the tires. If you have had such a problem, fill out a report on this page.

They said it sounded like gunshots. He said there were armed people in his motorhome. In the end, no guns, gunshots, or armed men – just another day in L.A. Last Wednesday people scrambled as an RV zoomed down Ventura Boulevard, hit a school bus and a few parked cars. The noise was so loud, bystanders thought they heard gunshots. When the RV came to a stop, a man described as “frail” crawled out of the motorhome, mumbling and apologizing, and indicating there were armed occupants in the rig. Police cautiously approached the rig and found … nada. Suspicions are the driver had mental issues, or drugs. The driver left, not in the motorhome, but in a police car.

The cost of recreation in Oregon is heading up. On the federal level, entry fees at Crater Lake National Park now run $30 per vehicle, and an annual pass is $55. That’s up from $15 per vehicle with an annual pass cost of $40 – those prices less than two years ago. On the state level, expect to see higher fees at the more popular state parks, where RV site fees will jump $3 per night at 22 different parks from Memorial Day to Labor Day. That jump in cost is to offset the $7 per night discount offered in spring and fall.

Would you pay $450 a month to live in your “car” like this? Photo: Town of Hilton Head, through Freedom of Information Act request, via

A real estate agent has put a new spin on the term, “affordable housing.” The agent, Tad Segars, has been renting out RVs and “tiny houses” on a parcel in Hilton Head, South Carolina. The “tiny houses” appear to be nothing more than upgraded storage sheds like those that could be purchased at a local Home Depot store. Aside from RVs and sheds, folks are paying hundreds of dollars a month to live on the property, some in automobiles. Those that are hooked up to the septic system have overrun the system, and county records indicate the system has backed up and spilled raw sewage on the ground. Authorities say that Segars is in violation of numerous codes, and local media says he’s likely in violation of at least three portions of real estate agent ethics codes. For his part, Segars says he’s providing a valuable service to folks caught by high rents and property values on the island. Segars’ little operation is said to rake in upwards of $15,000 a month from folks “renting” from him.

RVers will likely see new zoning ordinances in Dewey, Oklahoma, after the city’s council asked for new rules to govern RV parking. Property owners may have but one RV on their property, and it must be currently licensed and owned by them. Any RV “in disrepair will be declared a nuisance.” First-time violations could draw a $100 fine. The proposals are expected to be passed by the full council.

It was a long “test run” for a pair of RVers from California. When police stopped a father and son duo near Princeton, Illinois, last Tuesday, they explained they were headed to Chicago to test out the motorhome they were in. Did they have any marijuana on board? Oh, yes. When police checked it out, they found 600 pounds of pot in duffel bags. A little more questioning elicited a confession this wasn’t the first time they’d been hauling a little pot – they’d made a run from Oregon to Chicago with a large amount last month. They’re not “on the road again,” yet – they’ll need to each meet a $300,000 bail order.

Provincial officials in Ontario, Canada, have drawn the ire – and legal arrows – of a snowbird group. On January 1, the province chopped off all payments for out-of-country emergency medical care. Previously, snowbirds were eligible for up to $400 per day for emergency inpatient care, and $50 per day for outpatient care. The government claimed the program was inefficient and costly. Now the Canadian Snowbird Association has asked for a judicial review of the move.

On Halloween, 1981, police in Dixie, Georgia, found the body of a young woman in a cornfield. Investigators heard that a motorhome with Alabama plates had been seen near the cornfield, eventually tracing it to a carnival worker, George Newsome (52). The motorhome was stolen, and inside police found one of the murder weapons, a rope he confessed to using to kill the woman. But her name was unknown, and a local family provided a casket, a burial plot, and a headstone, engraved with the words “Known Only To God.” Newsome died in prison in 1988. Flash forward to Halloween 2017, precisely 36 years after the woman’s body was found. A woman contacted police with a tip about a missing friend, who’d gone missing in 1981 while working at a fair in Georgia. An exhumation followed, and DNA tests have now revealed the true name of the one “Known Only To God” – Cheryl Hammack.

The old “buy an RV on the internet,” scam continues. Fred Ethridge of Tucson, Arizona, spotted an $800 RV deal on a “buy and sell” website He contacted the seller, and soon, in his words he was “roped in,” and bought four Ebay gift cards for $200 each to make the purchase with. Next day, Ehridge got a call from the “company,” advising that they’d need another $600 for insurance before they could “ship out” his RV. When Ethridge checked to see the status of the $800 worth of gift cards, they’d already been emptied out. A local TV station tried reaching out to the seller and – no surprise – no response. No travel trailer either. The Federal Trade Commission observes that demands for “payment” to be made in gift cards by scammers is on the rise.

Alfalfa Fire District photo

Firefighters were on the jump last Saturday when at least 17 “smaller explosions” went off at a blaze they were fighting in Alfalfa, Oregon. The initial rollout was for a reported structure fire, but in the end, two fifth-wheels and a log structure burned. Making the call more challenging, apparently someone described as a “hoarder” had stashed a large number of LP cylinders on the property, some buried under other objects.

A catalytic crime wave in Edmonton, Alberta, may have had a break, after a K9 police dog drug a suspected thief out from under a motorhome January 2. In one week alone police logged reports of 55 catalytic converter thefts – and more than 500 since early October. Converters had been stolen from cars, trucks and motorhomes. Authorities say they’ve now arrested four men in connection with some of the cases.

A new, high-end RV resort has opened, catering to “Winter Texans.” Called Tropical Trails RV Resort, the outfit opened January 1 in Brownsville, Texas. The 165-acre park sports 240 “large” RV sites, and offers a swimming pool, spa, dog park, and other recreational perks. A major draw for the “connected” set will be the park’s internet access. No weak-tea WiFi operation, each site has a high-speed, fiber-optic cable connection. Monthly rates run from $639 to $995 for the “Super Luxury” sites.

Here’s another candidate for the “Dumb Crook” award. Timothy McMahon (38) is cooling his heels in the San Joaquin, California, county jail after complaints arrived at the sheriff’s office about some missing electric rental scooters. Evidently two of the machines, supposed to be in Oakland, appeared to be in French Camp, California. How did they know? They were equipped with GPS locators. When investigators turned up at McMahon’s French Camp address, they found the two scooters, plus the remains of at least 18 more, in his driveway and his RV. In jail, awaiting $80,000 bail, sits McMahon.

Reader poll

This is the same question we asked yesterday. But we had technical problems so we’re asking it again today (Sunday).

How would you describe yourself politically?

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News briefs

Jasper National Park in Canada opened its campground reservations this week and set a new record on the first day with 11,431 bookings for Wapiti, Wabasso, Pocahontas and Overflow frontcountry campgrounds. Whistlers Campground, Jasper’s largest campground, with 750 sites will remain closed in 2020 for redevelopment.

Marcus Lemonis, the CEO of Camping World, who once warned West Marine that he “was coming to get you,” plans to complete the closure of 27 former Gander Mountain outdoor retail stores by the end of January as part of a strategy to focus only on the company’s RV retail outlets.

Fiat Chrysler has reached settlements with consumers and federal and state regulators involving certain Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee vehicles equipped with the 3.0L EcoDiesel engine. Models involved: Ram 1500 EcoDiesel (2014-2016) and Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel (2014-2016). If you own one of these vehicles you may be eligible to claim a piece of the settlement. The typical amount is $3,075. Info here.

Campground chatter

Developments at RV parks and campgrounds across the USA

Janet Groene reports each week on developments at RV parks and campgrounds across the USA and Canada. There’s a lot of good information here that you can use to plan your travels. Read the current installment of “Campground Chatter” here.

Hanging out with mops and brooms
Most RVs aren’t equipped with broom closets. Got a basement storage compartment long or wide enough to stick those long-handled tools? Stick ’em up to the ceiling by attaching spring-loaded broom clips to the lid of the compartment. Here’s the ever-RV-popular Command Strips version.

Press releases

New RV water pre-filter adds extra level of protection.

RV recalls posted since our last newsletter

Riverside RV recalls some Intrepid trailers for fire risk.

This book saves you tons of money
Camp for free! Any RVer that has been on the road for awhile likely has a dog-eared and ragged copy of Don Wright’s “Guide to Free and Low-cost Campgrounds.” This is the most recent edition and you’ll want to keep it handy for the most up-to-date information. Read more about it here, and maybe order a copy of the 832-page guide here.

Latest fuel prices

Here are the latest U.S. average prices per gallon of gasoline and diesel fuel as of January 6, 2019:
Regular unleaded gasoline: $2.58 [Calif.: $3.43]
Change from week before: Up 1 cent; Change from year before: Up 34 cents.
Diesel: $3.08. [Calif.: $3.90]
Change from week before: Up 1 cent; Change from year before: Up 7 cents.

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Upcoming RV shows

Indy RV Expo, Jan. 4-12, Indianapolis, IN
Ohio RV Super Show, Jan. 8-12, Cleveland, OH
Chicago Boat, RV & Sail Show, Jan. 9-12, Chicago, IL
Grand Rapids Camper, Travel & RV Show, Jan. 9-12, Grand Rapids, MI
Valley RV & Camping Show, Jan. 9-12, South Bend, IN
Knoxville RV Show, Jan. 10-12, Sevierville, TN
58th Annual RV & Campgrounds Show, Jan. 10-12, Allentown, PA
Washington Camping RV Expo, Jan. 10-12, Chantilly, VA
Southern Louisiana Boat, Sport and RV Show, Jan. 10-12, Houma, LA
Ohio RV & Boat Show, Jan. 10-19, Columbus, OH
Pittsburgh RV Show, Jan. 11-19, Pittsburgh, PA
Manufacturers’ RV Show, Jan. 11-20, Pleasanton, CA
Florida RV Super Show, Jan. 15-19, Tampa, FL
Mid-America RV Show, Jan. 16-19, Kansas City, MO
Tacoma RV Show, Jan. 16-19, Tacoma, WA
Toronto RV Show and Sale, Jan. 16-19, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Iowa Boat, RV & Vacation Show, Jan. 17-19, Cedar Falls, IA
New Jersey RV & Camping Show – Edison,Jan. 17-19, Edison, NJ
Greater Chicago RV Show, Jan. 17-19, Schaumburg, IL
Des Moines RV & Boat Show, Jan. 17-19, Des Moines, IA
Middle Tennessee RV Show, Jan. 17-20, Lebanon, TN
Quartzsite Sports, Vacation & RV Show, Jan. 18-26, Quartzsite, AZ
Louisville Boat, RV & Sportshow, Jan. 22-26, Louisville, KY
Ft. Myers RV Show, Jan. 23-26, Ft. Myers, FL
Atlanta Camping & RV Show, Jan. 24-26, Atlanta, GA
Boston RV & Camping Expo, Jan. 24-26, Boston, MA – Free seminars with RV electricity expert Mike Sokol. Visit website.
East Texas Boat and RV Show, Jan. 24-26, Longview, TX

See the complete list of upcoming RV shows.

Pan liners protect kitchenware while driving
These 9 pot protectors come in three sizes and are perfect for placing between pots, pans, plates and bowls while driving down the road. Nobody likes arriving at the campsite to find broken or scratched kitchenware! Learn more or order.

Free and bargain camping


Click here to view this week’s free and bargain camping spots.

Other resources:
Walmarts that do not allow overnight RV stays.
Walmart Directory: Best printed directory of Walmart locations
Guide to Free Campgrounds: Best-selling directory, year after year.

Overnight RV Parking, with more than 14,000 locations listed, is the largest and best resource for locating free and inexpensive places to spend a night in an RV. For membership information and a demo of the site, click here. A modest membership fee required, but try the free demo. Watch a video about

Get inspired for your 2020 travels!
We recommend these books from Amazon:

• National Geographic’s Guide to Scenic Highways & Byways
• Road Food: An Eater’s Guide to More Than 1,000 of the Best Local Hotspots and Hidden Gems Across America
• 50 States 5,000 Ideas
• The Good Sam RV Travel & Savings Guide
• Moon USA National Parks: The Complete Guide to All 59 Parks
• 1,000 Places to See in the U.S. & Canada Before You Die
• Off the Beaten Path: A Travel Guide to More Than 1,000 Scenic and Interesting Places Still Uncrowded and Inviting

RV Travel staff


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2 years ago

Correction. Someone does not know how to count. 39 years later. I graduated from high school in 1981 and have a 40 year coming up in a year in July. Time to make a slight correction on that one folks.

Tony F Stekar
2 years ago

Bought a cab over Kenworth ;cab &classic . Built a flatbed too haul three atv generator and pull a 32′ camper .Nice setup but 10 miles to a gallon empty to down too 7.5 hauling everything driving 65 mph; not good ! I had a ram 3500 hauling 1 less atv and got 9.5 way better and it was easier too get in. The biggest problem with this ( Kenworth ) was it not 4 wheel drive , the dodge ram is. I have gone back too the ram new 2019 cab & chassic 4×4 , 12 empty have not gone camping yet . Future trip in the plans! RESALE of the kenwoth was a VERY BIG disappointment PLEASE DON’T do my dumb ideal !

Jerry X Shea
2 years ago

I use the FRESH CAB RODENT REPELLENT (advertisement on this site) with great results, however, in the posted advertisement it says it works for 100 days. WRONG, right on the box it says good for “30 days.”

2 years ago

Re: Snowbird Canadians and the statement that people are “anti-foreigner” — that’s certainly not my experience in my own circles, and I wonder whether it “really” exists at all or is a fabrication of distorted/sensationalist media??? Here in NY, people love Candadians visiting, coming to work with us, the whole shebang. Friends in California, Nevada, and other southwest states don’t dislike legal mexican workers and visitors, either — we hire them -quite happily for the jobs that Americans don’t want to do anyway. We’re buddies with them. So… where does this statement come from? I know people who are anti-terrorist and anti-illegal immigrant, but certainly NOT anti-Canadian or anti-Mexican in my experience… am I in a magic bubble of tolerance or just observant of reality vs. media?

Re: the political poll, Part Two: I think RVT is using shorthand, but the poll is two sides of what is at least a 2×2 matrix. Republicans are originally Conservatives and Democrats are originally Liberals, but Republican vs LIberal isn’t a usable dichotomy. Republicans are WAY liberal compared to what they used to be, and there are no financial conservatives anymore in the Big Two. Democrats have drifted into extreme socialist control, which is opposite from “liberal” (freedoms). I had to say I’m a “minor party” because I’m a strongly liberal strongly -anti-Democrat. I point this out not only because the poll is broken, but because older generations are using the labels differently than younger generations. “Live and let live” and “stop spending like drunks” are absent from all big parties now.

2 years ago

In your readers poll why didn’t you put it a space for the Democrats to check?

2 years ago

I have a gripe. Why does the poll re: How would you describe yourself politically; has an option for moderate or conservative Republican but no similar choice for a moderate or liberal Democrat? Inquiring minds want to know.

2 years ago
Reply to  lynn

For the Democrats, the only choices are liberal or progressive.

Don Baker
2 years ago

Not sure where to place this, but I wanted to warn RVers about using Safeco Insurance.
I recently had two separate Comprehensive claims denied because they were said to be normal wear and tear.
One claim was for a cracked radiator on my 2005 Country Coach. It had a steel radiator that had already replaced the aluminum originally installed. It had been pressure tested in May after I discovered a leak which turned out to be a bad hose (subsequently repaired). After a trip across the US to Wisconsin and back and enduring some very rough roads another leak was discovered at the factory service center in Junction City, OR. This turned out to be a crack and required radiator to be replaced.
The second claim was for a de-laminated roof. This probably started in the Denver area in May with a heavy spring snowfall that broke limbs off of a tree next to the RV that fell on the roof. There were no visual damage at the time but apparently the Filon roof membrane was cracked and allowed water to penetrate. After being exposed to numerous heavy rainstorms and severe winds both in Wisconsin and enroute East and West end result was discovered to be delamination. This required the roof to be replaced. Again Safeco or rather their third party special investigator said it was “normal wear and tear” and denied the claim.

2 years ago
Reply to  Don Baker

Sorry to hear about your problems. It seems like these days, Insurance is about collecting money and not giving it back at an appropriate time. My bet is that many insurance companies would have told you the same thing. You might consider an RV warranty company instead. They warrant against defects as you describe (at least better than any insurance company). But if you are just looking for a new insurance company, you might try one of these. They or less specialize with RV’s:

National Interstate Insurance (Use PPL) 800 755-4775
American Modern Insurance Group 866 884-6167
Blue Sky Insurance 866 484-2583
Farmers Insurance 800 493-4917
Texas American Insurance 817 877-3101
RV America 888 803-5999
Twin Peaks 800 507-8467
James Everett Silva (Foremost) 817 444-4747
Rick Lyn Philips (Foremost) 817 220-4363
RV Professionals 877 784-6787
Good Sam 888 514-1116
Trusted Choice 855 372-0071
Hartford – Randy David Spradlin 817 595-9300
Nationwide 877 669-6877
AllState – Robert Robinson 817 444-8200
Esurenace 866 455-5955
ExploreRV 888 391-5955
Safeco – Sig/Hogle Insurance 817 444-0561

Ronald Lipp
2 years ago

I Love your site!!!!! Very informative.

2 years ago

“It’s the time of year to line up camp hosting positions – and Michigan needs you.”

Minimum Wage in Michigan for 2020 = $9.65 Hr.
$9.65 Hr x 30 Hrs Per Week = $289.50 a Week
$289.50 a Week x 52 Weeks a Year = $15,054 a Year
$15,054 Divided by 12 Months = $1,254.50 a Month (This is what you are giving in exchange for a FHU site – Not to mention the labor stress)

Michigan State Park Fees (Typical) for a 50A FHU Site:


Resident Daily – $6
Non-Resident Daily – $8
Resident Annual – $24
Non-Resident Annual – $29


Rustic Campsites – no showers and vaulted toilets with hand pump water $10-$14 per night.

Semi-Modern Campsites – 50 or 30 amp electric – some have modern showers and toilets $16-$18 per night.

Modern Campsites – 50 amp electric, modern showers and toilets, wheelchair accessible sites available, some pull through sites for large vehicles $16-$27 per night.

Premium Modern Campsites – great site locations and all the amenities of the modern sites $28-$29 per night.

Full Hookup Sites – $29-$33

I’m all in favor of Workamping to off set expenses…But in this situation (giving 30 Hrs a month), one has to weigh whether it is worth it. One can get a Premium FHU Site of $990 a month + a $29 Non-Resident Annual Entrance Pass = $1,019 a Month. Most sites are less than that.

20 Hours could be an incentive to participate. 25 hours is border line whether or not it’s worth the effort. 30 Hours? Why in the world would one want to accept this position?

If you want to save money without having to “work”, then consider boondocking or dry-docking more often.

If you just like “working” (and some do or have to), then look for something that is mutual for both parties. Not one sided. Negotiate your hours accordingly…

Wayne quick
2 years ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

Why do you care? You’re obviously not interested in applying.

2 years ago
Reply to  Wayne quick

Incorrect. I would love to workamp in Michigan. We just left there last month. It just seems that more and more, certain workamping opportunities are trying to take advantage of folks who may not have considered the math.

2 years ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

Your line that starts off with ‘I’m all in favor of Workamping” later in parens (giving 30 Hrs a month), seems from your math up top, you meant 30 Hrs a week.

2 years ago
Reply to  John

You are correct. 30 hours a week is what the ad states. 120 Hrs. a month. The math still should add up. Thanks for pointing that out. There used to be an edit feature on here but for some reason has been removed.

Gary Byler
2 years ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

From your posting it is patently obvious to me that you are not suited to work in state, national campgrounds or similar type venues. You would be happier and garner more satisfaction working at KOA’s or other commercial facilities. My wife and I have served in campgrounds, parks, visitor centers, Ranger stations, etc, for total time counted in literally years with never a desire to see whether or not we were making money. We did it because of 1st location, 2nd satisfaction of being a service to society, 3rd the experience of meeting multitudes of people we met, from not only all around the country, but, the world. The simple reason we are no longer doing it is eventually age and health catches up with everyone.

2 years ago
Reply to  Gary Byler

There are reasons that people workamp:

Have to
Want to (you seem to fall in this group. So do we)

I/we fall in the latter. It doesn’t matter which venue we use. But it does matter on the exchange rate. We want to workamp on a fair and equitable term. There are other State, Federal, other campgrounds that simply offer a term that is more fair. I’m just pointing out that Michigan is “over-charging (for a lack of a better term). If it ever gets to be inequitable, what point is there? One would then fall into the “have to” group. And for that, we might just as well go back to a warden and get a real job with benefits and a paycheck.

2 years ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

Michigan minimum wage went up. I know my daughter got a raise from Michigan and not her employer. Finding out he is refusing to give her a raise in wages while everyone else is.

Les Reid
2 years ago

Rodent repellent in this newsletter. I put this product throughout my RV as instructed at two times what was recommended. No reduction in mice activity or droppings was noticed 3 months later. Lot’s of traps still works the best

John Ahrens
2 years ago
Reply to  Les Reid

I’ve had good luck with it. I’ve put it out in the spring when the first signs of mice show up in our rig the last two years. Haven’t seen another mouse sign inside after that.

Kristina Veach
2 years ago
Reply to  Les Reid

I use peppermint oil on cotton balls. Very irritating to mice.

John P Macatee
2 years ago

Interesting that large trucks are getting 7.27 MPG. I’m pulling a 24′ , 4,040 pound Artic Fox with probably 1500 pounds of “stuff” with a 2007 Dodge Dakota 4wd, V8, and am averaging 11 MPG, traveling from so. Cal. to Tucson , about 460 miles, I was keeping my speed just a little over 60 Mph and got 10mpg, in the way back i kept my speed just above 55mpg and got 11.5 +-, when without pulling I get approximately 17 MPG. I’m really new (3 months) to travel trailer camping and curious as to what RV ers are getting.

2 years ago
Reply to  John P Macatee

2014 Ram 3500, 6.7 Cummins/Aisin Transmission, 3.73 Rear Axle, 18,000 lb – 42′ 5th Wheel. At 60 mph = 9.5-10.0 per gallon. At 70 mph (which I do not normally drive) = 10.0-11.0 per gallon. The truck seems to like that better for some reason. Why? I don’t know but I don’t like that speed. This is on fairly flat terrain.

In the mountains with 8-13% grades, I might average 7.0-9.0 unless the grade is long (Heading down hill – Yellowstone down to Cody, Wy – Talk about white knuckles…Maintained 2nd gear and engine brake and still had to use occasional braking).

Without the RV: 17 mpg City / 21 mpg Hwy (typical with conservation).

Something to ponder… Oil sells by the barrel (usually 32 gallons) and is priced such. Think of the barrels hanging off the side of those trucks. How many barrels do they go thru per year? How many trucks are actually on the road total? Combined, they may use as much or more as the airlines. Put all of the RVs on the road. What is their combined total? I wonder if anyone has any statistics on this?

Linda Conner
2 years ago
Reply to  John P Macatee

We tow our boats with a Dakota and we have a Class C Fun Mover. We don’t even think about our gas mileage because we know gas mileage decreases when towing and will never be great when driving a house down the road.

I have noticed that many people get caught up in the “how many miles per gallon do you get?” When asked, I reply that we have never checked. Whatever we get is not going to stop us from going. We are not rich. As long as we can fill ’em up, we will keep having fun.

As I said, towing and driving a motor home are not equated with “good gas mileage”. I hope you just go out and have fun. You will meet some of the best people around.

Welcome and ENJOY!

2 years ago
Reply to  Linda Conner

And most of your time is not likely to be spent towing either. We tow about 30%-40% of the time?

2 years ago
Reply to  Linda Conner

I calculate on every tank between 90-125 gallons. So I get a good average on terrain traveled. 7.6 to 10.9 never better with a CGVW of 23240 which will go down as fuel is burned. lol That’s why I do not worry about mpg.

Peter Gordon
2 years ago
Reply to  Linda Conner

2008 Chevrolet 3500 dually diesel w/allison transmission. Trailer 8800# 5th wheel empty. Normal additional stuff load. Gets 12.7 to 13 depending on terrain. Keep speed in the 50 to 55 mph range on interstates. Try to haul with near empty tanks on trailer. Have 50 gal aux fuel tank so normally see over 900 miles between fills.

John Ahrens
2 years ago
Reply to  John P Macatee

I’ve been getting 8+ with my 40,000 pound motorhome/Explorer combination. That’s half the weight those 80,000 pound big rigs have. The big rigs are willing to take a hit on mileage to get more miles, since the drivers are paid by the mile.

Mike Mazoway
2 years ago

In you show schedule, the Syracuse show is a Camping World/Gander show only. The big multi dealer show is in March.

Chuck Woodbury(@chuck)
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Mazoway

We’ll remove it. That’s not a real show. Thanks for letting us know.

Ronald Payne
2 years ago

I get the concept of comments turned off for political poll question,however the comment about the six dozen hotheads???
Sadly i thought we had more hotheads…….oh brother.

2 years ago
Reply to  Ronald Payne

Too bad it’s not that easy…Change your IP, name and/or email and it breeds 6 more hot heads. Too bad that they did not have better upbringing (for those you describe).

Steve flippo
2 years ago

30 hours of work to be allowed to park your rv for a week? That is outrageous. The state of Michigan is exploiting rvers.

2 years ago
Reply to  Steve flippo

Steve, I think you misunderstood the note. Usually this is a campsite for the season; from when the campground opens in the spring until it closes in the fall. A lot of full timers do this to be able to cheaply go north in the summer. Generally a couple would each have to provide 15 hours of work a week. If you are comfortable with dealing with the public in a recreational setting and can perform light maintenance and cleaning chores it can be a good deal.
Happy Camping

Gary Byler
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve flippo

It obvious that you have absolutely no concept of why people would work under those conditions. So, please continue working wherever you feel you are being properly rewarded, because you would never be satisfied otherwise. And people like my wife and I along with thousands of others will continue enjoying what you fail to understand.