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Tom Smithbrother
28 days ago

I think the stats and the whole thing is a huge control issue. Masks will not stop a virus that is 1/9000 the thickness of a single human hair . Even N95 masks now state that they WILL NOT stop a any virus. Like a chain link fence to stop flies . Total B,S.. It is the government trying to have people FEEL safe with actually people they are doing NOTHING for their own health, by wearing a mask .

Donna Cowdrey
28 days ago

Tom, it’s true that you need a microscope to see the virus. However, it cannot travel through the air on it’s own. So it attaches itself to vapor droplets that come out of your nose and mouth and that is how it is spread from person to person.

Matt Johnson
28 days ago
Reply to  Donna Cowdrey

It is airborne and can live in a dry environment for over 12 hours. And live in a moist environment for over 24 hours.
I have worked with blood borne pathogens and water and airborne diseases for over 35 years, this will most likely become the new common flu.
The Wuhan virus has a measurement of 60 to 120Nm. That means an N95 mask will allow approximately 15% to pass through, and paper surgical masks and cloth masks allow approximately 98 to 100% through. If you want to see how effective your mask is, put on your mask, and spray perfume on your face. If you smell the perfume, your mask is not doing anything. The complex molecules of perfume are almost exactly the same size as the larger molecules of the Wuhan virus.

Bob M
25 days ago

Japan has fewer than 1,000 covid deaths. They never went in to full economic shut down. They have an unemployment rate of 2.6%. How did they do it? Virtually everybody wears a mask. It’s not rocket science.

Tom
29 days ago

Amazing the legal and medical experts we have since shelter in place (SIP) started. Just think, without the SIP all these experts would be no smarter than those of us who want to protect ourselves and others from the COVID-19.

Your freedom stops when it does harm to others.

Opinions don’t count unless it is the opinion of a court. Courts have decided long ago that Health orders are legal. If you don’t like it go fight in the court. But in the mean time Wear a Mask when you are out and Can’t stay 6 feet apart.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/publications/youraba/2020/youraba-april-2020/law-guides-legal-approach-to-pandemic/

Matt Johnson
28 days ago
Reply to  Tom

it all political at this point in time

Jeff
29 days ago

two things I want too say. First off with the comments I make I am not trying to start an argument second this whole covid 19 has me and I am sure a lot of people worked up.
i received a lengthy emai from lion and lamb ministries.
the email said we have given up our first and fifth amendment rights.
the governors of our country can not make up laws. Governors can only enforce laws passed by his state’s legislative body.
state and local officials can suggest guidelines but they cannot mandate your god given freedoms under the United States constitution and the bill of rights.
more in the next post.

Jeff
29 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

In point of fact, no governor in any state has the authority to suspend the constitution. And no pretend emergency powers legislation can give it to him because the legislature cannot give the governor an authority that they themselves do not have. And any attempt for a governor to suspend constitutional rights is an act of lawlessness and a violation of his/her oath of office

Cheryl Bacon
29 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

Except for the fact that the way most of the governors orders have been written, they are unenforceable. It is all just words with no teeth. Have you noticed not many media outlets have done follow ups of any fines, or jail time given to so called covid-19 executive orders breakers. Some counties try to enforce them, but if the person hires an attorney, nothing happens to the “rule breaker”. So in a nutshell, no amendment rights have been broken.

Doug
29 days ago
Reply to  Cheryl Bacon

I for one am very glad governors have stepped to take charge when our President has abrogated his duty to keep us safe. Wearing a mask and reducing gatherings to keep people alive seems a simple act compared to going on a respirator for 3 weeks. Sorry, but the last thing our President cares about the are the citizens of this country.

Tom Smithbrother
28 days ago
Reply to  Doug

States rights overshadow the presidents authority.

Linda Mudge
25 days ago
Reply to  Doug

You are wrong.

Matt Johnson
28 days ago
Reply to  Cheryl Bacon

Ammendment rights have been broken. If you have to go to court, and you win, to get your rights back then the government making up the rules broke the law. The should be fined and jailed. And not allowed to hold any government office again.

Dale
29 days ago

Enough is enough. 14 articles about disaster on the highway, thefts and other tragedies. Seems your Sunday edition has become about ambulance chasing. We get enough bad news from the national media.

Gordy
29 days ago

Our governor in Michigan changes the rules to suit herself at random. UP was open before Memorial Day and she added Traverse City in the lower half, because she has a summer home there. Thursday before the holiday a man called to see if he could get his boat put in the water on Friday (before Memorial Day). He was told by the service that they were 3 weeks behind and it would be impossible. he asked “Would it help that my wife is the Governor?”. The gentleman on the phone (owner) said “It will put you at the back of the line”. The man hung up. People reacted to the story posted on Facebook and the Governor had a press conference and stated he was “joking”. In later stages of reopening the state she would not allow beauticians to go back to work, but allowed dentists to resume work (her husband is a dentist).

Jeff Craig
29 days ago
Reply to  Gordy

Okay, Captain Conspiracy Theory, where is Michigan on infection rates and where are those ‘free’ states like Texas, Arizona and Florida?

While the Governor listened to the Doctors, certain crowds listened to ‘Opinion Makers’ (which apparently you do based on your own comments). That left you looking pretty uninformed.

Last edited 29 days ago by Jeff Craig
C.Lee
28 days ago
Reply to  Gordy

I do agree a lot of the government’s orders concerning this epidemic are political, not based on science or reality. Here in New Mexico, if you read the “exceptions” lists to the governors orders, it can sometimes make you wonder if those who must adhere are the smaller of the groups.

Jeff
29 days ago

Has anyone wore a n95 mask outside and used a push lawn mower too mow your lawn? I have and a mask tires you out real quick. I have a hard time breathing.
july 3rd I was at my local bank. A lady comes in with a mask on and says I don’t have too wear my mask in here. She takes her mask off. She then tells me her sons works in a hospital and he wears a mask and a full face shield mask and he gets tired wearing one because he can’t breath.
all I am saying is this. Everyone’s situation is different. If you need or want too wear a mask fine. If I don’t feel the need too wear a mask please don’t look down on me.
I hope a civil war is not coming too the u.s.a. but I have a feeling it’s coming or it’s already here.

C.Lee
29 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

New Mexico has a mask order, and though I have major issues with how our governor has instituted it, even we aren’t required to wear one if we are on our own property, or outdoors in public areas and can maintain 6 feet or more distance from non-family members.

I don’t have a major issue with wearing a mask in stores and businesses. My main concern is not putting private business owners in a position where THEY have to pay a fine if I don’t wear one, as that is how our governor has chosen to enforce it. Do they work? I have no clue. I know I’m not counting on it. My “Job No.1” in stores and businesses is to stay away from everyone else. But even then, if I wear a mask for more than about 20-30 minutes I feel like I’m going to puke so I have to get out of there and get that mask off and get some air, whether I’m done with my business or not.

Rick
29 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

Too many toos. Leave off one o

Marybeth Almand
29 days ago
Reply to  Rick

That too, drives me crazy! To keep on doing it makes it worse!

KellyR
29 days ago
Reply to  Rick

I two wood like to sea hour language spokan & writ corrrectly: butt grammmar polise driv me nutts,

Jim
29 days ago
Reply to  Rick

Hahahaha

Tom Smithbrother
28 days ago
Reply to  Rick

Correcting grammar is just plane stupid. Comment are for content not grammar.

Robert
29 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

Wearing a mask protects persons around you from breathing in your germs.
Apparently you fail to understand or don’t care.
Yes I look down at persons like you.

Jeff
29 days ago
Reply to  Robert

Sorry you feel that way Robert.
I do not want too give up my god given rights under the u.s. constitution. We have already given up our first and fifth admendment rights as I posted above. Pretty soon we will have no rights at all.

Robert
29 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

You do not have the right to infect others-use a mask or stay home

Bob M
25 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

God had nothing to do with granting you any rights under the constitution. That was written by men and the first amendment makes it explicitly clear that no religion dominates. The constitution could, equally, have been written by followers of Allah or the Buddha.

Doug
29 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

The mask is to protect other people from you!

Bob M
25 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

Japan has fewer than 1,000 covid deaths. They never went in to full economic shut down. They have an unemployment rate of 2.6%. How did they do it? Virtually everybody wears a mask. It doesn’t have to be an N95 mask and there’s no need to wear a mask when you’re mowing the grass, that’s silly. You wear the mask when you’re going to be close to others or entering an indoor, enclosed space. At other times, outside, just keep your distance.

I find it odd that so many refuse to do even these basic things.

Doug
29 days ago

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29 days ago
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C.Lee
29 days ago

Add New Mexico to the list of states imposing a 14 day quarantine on EVERYONE coming into the state by any means, even motor vehicle. Initially, our governor had imposed the restriction only on those flying into the state, but this last week, she imposed the quarantine order on everyone who comes here, by any means. She has very little means to enforce the order, however. She wants New Mexicans to squeal on anyone who comes here and doesn’t quarantine.

Add to that, New Mexico State Parks were to open for camping on July 5th. That’s out. In her seemingly never-ending extension of restrictions, she’s extended the state park camping ban AGAIN until July 15th, when she will “re-evaluate” the situation AGAIN. Might as well consider the closures “indefinite”, and all those expensive yearly (and non-refundable) New Mexico State Park camping passes worthless.

Many of us have begun calling our governor “Queen Lujan-Grisham” for very good reason.

Michael Roach
29 days ago
Reply to  C.Lee

It seems we have little wannabe dictators everywhere, with rules for thee but not for me !

C.Lee
29 days ago
Reply to  Michael Roach

I was particularly galled when it was learned that during the height of our New Mexico lockdown, when all “non-essential” businesses were closed to citizens, our governor made a purchase from an Albuquerque jewelry store she had ordered closed, having them open up specifically for her, and then had one of her friends pick the jewelry up from a store employee’s home.

This was during the time no citizen in New Mexico could do such a thing, and the governor was sending the State Police to close and fine any business that violated her order.

Chuck B
29 days ago
Reply to  C.Lee

Sounds like a Governor concerned about the well being of the people in her state. I for one applaud those that have the strength to make the tough decisions to protect us from ourselves. Chuck

rtgilbert
29 days ago
Reply to  Chuck B

I agree with the decision. I for one do not want to have the huge increase of new cases, that Texas and Arizona are currently experiencing.

C.Lee
29 days ago
Reply to  Chuck B

Sorry Chuck, no offense meant, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I don’t require anyone to protect me from myself. Neither do you, or any other competent adult.

Jeb
29 days ago
Reply to  C.Lee

You are not making sense. You wear a mask so I won’t get what you’re spewing and I will do likewise so you won’t get what I have.

C.Lee
28 days ago
Reply to  Jeb

Howdy Jeb, Just a friendly “heads up”: This part of the discussion/thread is about the New Mexico 14 day quarantine and the continuing state park campground closures. The mask wearing is being discussed up above in a different thread.

Jim
29 days ago
Reply to  C.Lee

Amen!

Jim
29 days ago
Reply to  Chuck B

Totally missed the point Chuck.

Dennis
29 days ago
Reply to  C.Lee

I appreciate Lujan-Grisham’s actions to protect the citizens of New Mexico. If common sense inconveniences for me will spare someone suffering or death I am more than willing to comply.

I wish you and your family good health and safe travels.

M&M
29 days ago
Reply to  C.Lee

I heard she had the time and power to force an Albuquerque jewelry store open for her and her posse for shopping. Whether she did this or not there is a dual standard in this state, we are voting with our feet and moving on after 50 years of state, county and city garabage.

C.Lee
29 days ago
Reply to  M&M

You are correct. She had an employee open the store, against her own order that “non-essential” businesses be closed. No one went shopping in the store, the employee took the merchandise home and the governor had a friend pick it up from the employees home. Apparently to try to hide the fact that the governor was involved. I wouldn’t have a problem except this was during the time no other “non-essential” business in the state could do such a thing. In fact, I just reiterated that story above having not seen your mentioning of the case until after I posted mine.

We’ve had one of our sons and his family (including two of our grandkids) move out of New Mexico during this pandemic..they’d been talking about it for a while but enough was enough. My wife and I are looking to leave for greener pastures as well.

Last edited 29 days ago by C.Lee