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TravelingMan
5 months ago

Clarification on LP or LPG (Liquefied Petroleum – Gas)…

LP or LPG can be either Propane (C3H8) or Butane (C4H10). One technically cannot just say LP or LPG.

Each have distinct characteristics:

Propane can be commercial propane or HD-5. HD-5 is mostly used in automobiles. The commercial propane can be a mix of propane an butane depending on time of year. In the summer, it is mixed more with butane. In winter locations, the mix is more propane.

Vertical Cylinders are never filled beyond 80%.

Cylinders must be re-certified every 12 years. It’s cheaper and easier just to get another bottle. But disposing of the old cylinder is a pain.

One does not use straight butane in an RV setting. It’s handy though for your Bic lighters.

Pierre
5 months ago

We never use the term ‘LP’ around here, it’s called propane

Gene Cheatham
5 months ago

You probably know this already – IL State parks closed until further notice by Gov. order

Today I understand COE has closed Carlyle Lake, Carlyle IL. I don’t know about other COE properties.

Don Creamer
5 months ago

News out of Colorado: Rocky Mountain National Park closed today until further notice.

Mo B.
5 months ago

Re the letter about misunderstanding the term “LP gas”: Try asking for “propane”. That’s the term most often used in the southwest.

Darrel
5 months ago
Reply to  Mo B.

Nation wide.

Gary
5 months ago

In my coach and already a week into it.

Mitch Stevens
5 months ago

How does one go about finding and participating in these RV auctions? Can anyone buy from these auctions or does one have to have a dealer’s license?

Gene Cheatham
5 months ago
Reply to  Mitch Stevens

I have an independent small used car dealer I’ve bought vehicles from. Customers here can tell them what they want – pretty much any type of vehicle, RV or boat, and they will watch the auction for them. We are near St Louis, and they will go anywhere to get a vehicle. Duffy’s Auto Sales in Belleville, IL. I imagine if you look around you could find someone to do the same.

Mitch Stevens
5 months ago
Reply to  Gene Cheatham

Thank you Gene… That’s a very interesting approach. I’ll reach out to some of the independent dealers in my local area to see how that would go. I am really trying to determine if I can cut out any middlemen in this process by being able to purchase directly from a wholesalers auction myself. Where do repossessed RV’s and Insurance “totaled” RV’s end up and how does “Joe individual” get access to these?

Greg
5 months ago

Folks this is a medical emergency. Go back and read about the Spanish Flu in 1918, that’s the kind of thing we are facing unless there’s a cure or vaccine. Our current fight it to lower the daily counts in the ICU so there’s a bed for those that need it. That’s it, shelter in place isn’t curing anything, but can save countless lives.

Once through that, we’ll rebuild the economy… it sucks, big time. It’s going to be expensive, and there will be a lot of I”I told you so” for increasing the difficult “when times were good” (I’ll be chiming in on that BTW).

Anyone can get it and die from it, but as is always the case the older and weaker are more susceptible.

I’m 67 and taking all the precautions I can. Minimal trips, hand sanitizer in the car, wash my hand on returning home. In Singapore they strip when coming home and put the cloths in the washer dawning clean “inside cloths”, think we’re going to start that here, but I’m not in an RV.

Good luck, stay safe “IN” there… if you think this is a hoax or things are under control, get educated, neither are the case at the moment any way.

https://www.cdc.gov/

H Goff
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg

The Spanish flue was much worse with a 2.5% mortality rate whereas the Corona virus is about .3%. Also the Spanish flue was much more violent whereas the current virus has relatively mild symptoms for healthy people.

Dennis
5 months ago
Reply to  H Goff

Ahhh, but that fact won’t keep the disaster exploitation down…

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  H Goff

Tell that to Italy. Re- check your data.

Snayte
5 months ago
Reply to  H Goff

What time frame does that Spanish flu data cover? We are just getting started with Covid-19. It is far too early to be comparing mortality rates.

livingboondockingmexico
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg

Greg you’re 100% on target. However, people today have no concept of past history and believe that it is so far past that it could never happen in today’s world. It’s unfolding before our eyes and each one of us is forming a piece of this history being written.

Ed D.
5 months ago

IMHO,relatively speaking, the government is over reacting. It treeats everyone the same, without mitigating circumstances. It doesn’t put things in perspective. For years now, thousands of people are dying from the flu, and most people went on with their usual life. More people die from car accidents. Should we close the roads? I agree that there should be precautions, but not to the point of causing undue hysteria. And look at the economic toll on us. It’s a matter of how much we are willing to risk our freedoms and our economic health for something that might not make any difference in the overall mortality rate of all illnesses and accidents?

TravelingMan
5 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

To your point, there is some hysteria in here since we can’t get facts.

As you point out, there are car accidents and the normal flu which considerably outpace this particular CornaVirus (and we never hear about those statistics either).

I for one would love to see statistics identifying EACH persons:

1) Age

2) The Locations Where They Are Affected: (i.e nursing home, at home, school, or other)
(Nursing Homes seem to a forefront at the moment).

3) Specific Geographic Location: County, City, neighborhood, etc.
(New York seems to take the lead with 40% of all cases as of today)

4) Symptom Types: (none, mild, severe, hospital care)

5) The Exact Recovery Period: 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, etc.

6) The exact mortality rate of those above.

The current statistics right now are so generic that no one can really make sense of them and in no way can they protect themselves. If I knew it was identified at a location specific to me, I would be even more cautious with my activities. Right now, it’s identified 50-60 miles away. Risk is extremely low at the moment (except for the flu or cold no one EVER stays home for). I shop even further away (in the opposite direction of what IS known).

I get it….there have not been test kits available. But they are getting distributed now. So, until those results are tabulated in the next 2-4 weeks, no one knows what the current situation actually is. It seems to be very transmittable. We know that. More so than the common cold or flu apparently. That’s why they are urging everyone to stay put. This will reduce the spread. If nothing else, it will also dramatically reduce colds and regular flu.

As a side note, “IF” they find a vaccine for this, why can’t they find a vaccine for the common cold or flu? Not enough money in it for them? Or is there too much if you know what I mean…

greg
5 months ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

The cases are doubling (real cases) every 3-5 days. In 2 weeks that’s an increase of 8-16 times what we have now. As of this writing there are just over 24,000 cases in the US and 285 deaths. Call it 25k to keep it simple so in 2 weeks that’s 200,000-400,000 confirmed cases and 2300-5000 deaths. 8-16 times that in another 2 weeks and it takes 2-3 weeks to present so the rate will continue that long after a shutdown. If you wait 8 weeks plus another 3 and use the pessimistic 5 days to double… everyone in the country should have it.

It shouldn’t happen that fast, just because of the distances and empty spaces… The above is just math but listen to the reports out of New York and Seattle…. The models are a lot better than the math, but you do not want to wait. You do not want to spread this nor get it in the first place.

No, the risk is not low… unless you’ve tested those closer to you. Sorry, assume you are going to get it, that’s the path we are on. Your best hope is to start now with precautions and hope you can stay healthy until a vaccine is available. Next best, that there is an open ICU bed and ventilator for you if you need one.

BTW, there are already 2 strains of this virus…

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Darrel
5 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Another denier that will spread the virus to someone at high risk due to age and/or underlying health conditions. Don’t be like Ed.

Gene Cheatham
5 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Ed, I am a respiratory therapist working for a large hospital in St Louis. Please read the corona virus info, kept up to date, complete with FAQ and screening questions https://www.ssmhealth.com/coronavirus-updates This is more contagious than the regular flu .The only way this is going to work and have this carry on for the shortest time possible is to follow directions. Our grand parents and great grand parents fought wars to keep us safe. We are asking people to sit on their couch for a number of days. https://www.ssmhealth.com/coronavirus-updates

If you want to get irritated, direct it to the lying Communist leaders in China. Many lives could have been spared and fortunes saved if they would have fessed up months ago.

Ed D.
5 months ago
Reply to  Gene Cheatham

What are you doing for the spread of influenza, which takes more lives?

Snayte
5 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

You are comparing a full year of flu worldwide to a few months of covid-19 and not quite the entire world.

livingboondockingmexico
5 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

This is not the flu. This is a virus that has no known vaccine as of yet. The cold flu virus mutates each year and it is very easy to make the vaccines for those. That’ s why so many people receive the vaccines. It could be a long time before we see a vaccine and between now and then, many people could suffer if not die.

Ed D.
5 months ago

But, still there are more fatalities from the flu, and we don’t panic from that.

Snayte
5 months ago
Reply to  Ed D.

Give Covid-19 another year before you compare.

Lee
5 months ago

Yep Chuck, I agree that RV manufacturing will shut down in the near future due to shelter in place orders and travel restrictions, lack of sales due to job losses, and supply chain problems, all of which are effecting the auto industry.
Hopefully this reset will give us RVers some power to demand, and get, a much better quality of RV.
Thanks for all you and your staff do for the rest of us

TravelingMan
5 months ago

A note on a few of the CoronaVirus situations above…

There seems to be a lot of concern about parks closing. Many question why.

Think about this…

Although a great way to separate individuals, this inspires many to move around the country. If all the parks, blm lands, etc stay open, what happens? How many of you have the virus and don’t know it yet? Remember that there is at least a 5 day incubation period. During that time, you have stopped at several gas stations, you ate at several restaurants, stopped at a few tourist traps, etc. How many germs are left in the path? Did you inadvertently spread the virus without knowing it? Isn’t it best to just close all parks allowing only those there to stay in one place to prevent further spread of the virus?

We are hunkered down in a park for the long haul. Everyone here has been here from the beginning. We would easily know whether anyone here had it or not but the fact is that we are not unknowingly contributing to a national spread of the virus.

So keep that in mind. If we all do our small part, this can be over with sooner than later. If not, expect conditions to deteriorate further and stricter enforcement to ensue. If you are not happy now, wait until then…And think about why things got worse. Did you contribute to the problem (knowingly or not)?

Stay away from people.

Wash your hands often.

Buy stocks. They are a bargain right now. 1 year from now, you’ll be glad you did.

Hunker down.

Take the time to get reacquainted with your family (instead of working all the time). Take advantage of the break at home and catch up on a few chores.

Most of all, protect yourself and your family. Stay safe. Think about how your actions affect others. Not just yourself.

Prayerfully, this all ends soon and keeps everyone well.

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

The future is plastics. The Graduate

Alvin
5 months ago
Reply to  TravelingMan

Great comment, as for the stocks – don’t tell to many people they wouldn’t be a good real for long – got mine lined up.

Wolfe
5 months ago

I called my doctor to ask what I had to do while walking around the campground, and they said that wearing a mask and gloves would be more than enough… They LIED! I only got halfway around the loop before I realized everyone else was wearing clothes…

Lauren Baker
5 months ago
Reply to  Wolfe

Be careful not to over use you mask. Even if they are properly tight fitting it will only protect you for 2-3 hours. After that you can start breathing in the germs

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Lauren Baker

Lauren, your assuming he had it on his face!

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Wolfe

Wolfe,

Excellent.

Jerry
5 months ago

Yellowstone National Park announced that they are cancelling all reservations through May 22, 2020. This effected us as we were scheduled to visit the park from May 15 thru May 23rd.

Dan
5 months ago

I am a fairly new RV’r and an even newer subscriber to this Newsletter, so I have thoughts about connecting with others looking for places to stay, get service, etc. and what places to avoid. For, example, we are planning a trip this spring that will take us from Kansas to south Louisiana. What we would like to find is a place to park over night in the Paris, Texas area. We dont necessarily need any hook ups, just a place to grab some sleep. In this case, hook ups and the usual would be fine, but not required. We are hoping to find information from locals with personal experience or views of such places. If you just use the available books or apps that have this information, its more like looking at advertisements, so everything is wonderful, secure, clean, etc. If someone asked about something in our area, I would even go look at it and report back if it was new to me. Lets help each other enjoy this stuff.

Jeb
5 months ago
Reply to  Dan

Go to campgroundreviews in your search engine. Lots of good reviews for the area you want by people who have stayed there.

Dan
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeb

I guess I didnt make my point clear enough. I was looking for something where locals could share personal experiences or observations. In my case, looking for something around Paris, TX, we just want somewhere easily accessible to get off the road and get some sleep. It doesnt matter if it is a parking lot, Walmart for example, or just a decent, clean RV park. I have looked at the campground reviews for some of the local options and totally disagree with them. For example our times at one nearby lake have been terrific, but the reviews show it as unfavorable. The reviews for the nearest KOA make it sound horrible, but it looks fine to us, just a little awkward to find due to poor signage. A friend of ours always stays in one less than 10 miles from us. It’s really nice, clean, with showers, pool, laundry, and about $30-35/night, but its listed as over priced. I guess I am just looking for local input to share. The same goes for getting some service if needed, or a propane refill.

Bob M
5 months ago

In a very worst case scenario, the US Govt has decided it’s acceptable to allow 7.4M Americans to die from this virus. Those are the facts they’re not telling anyone. I sincerely hope I’m wrong but I’m very fearful of what is about to unfold.

For context, normal annual fatality rate is 0.9% of the population, about 2.8M p.a, including the flu.

In this case “flattening the curve” is being misinterpreted. It’s about spreading the rate of infection over a longer period of time so that health care services are not overwhelmed in a rush (though that’s not working because they didn’t take other steps early enough). This would mean the authorities accept that 75-80% of the population will be infected at some time. With a fatality rate of 3% from the virus, 75% infected, it means 7.4M will die.

For those who say the numbers don’t look too bad, that’s because the current numbers have a time delay. The US is just at the start of the explosion in case numbers. It’s simple exponential growth: if cases double every 2 days, 1 person infected becomes >1M infected after 3 weeks. That is, potentially, what is coming, if the authorities do nothing.

True flattening the curve is when the # of new cases drops off to zero, in other words the spread of the virus is halted. The cumulative # affected then levels out – the curve flattens. This can be achieved if the Govt conducts massive testing followed by strict isolation (like S Korea) or locks down parts of the country. In China, once they understood what they were facing, they acted drastically, locked down where they needed to fast, built extra hospital capacity (2 hospitals in a week!). Both countries have been effective. In Italy they tried a lock down in the north but were too late and it didn’t prevent people traveling to the south, so now it’s a countrywide lock down. And yet they are still seeing hundreds die every day because it takes 4-5 days for symptoms to appear.

Even worse in the US, there is no public health care. The US has a huge number of people who do not have access, growing daily with lay offs because health care is tied to work. They are going to get infected too and they will spread the virus just as well as anyone. If you have health care you are only as safe as the weakest in your community.

Many of those who do end up needing hospital care won’t be able to pay for it, they’ll go bankrupt. The numbers will be staggering.

In the US, despite having the huge advantage of time, the current administration totally screwed up. First they eliminated the pandemic response team (apparently because it’s “never been needed” – duh!). Second they reduced funding to the CDC by a huge amount. Third, they did not accept the WHO test that was available (American exceptionalism or a chance for friends of the administration to profit? E.g. Kushner’s brother has a testing company). The US is only now seeing lock downs, having allowed millions of people to enjoy spring break. Travel within the US remains unrestricted.

A possible reason for all this delay apart from, basically, criminal negligence, is that it allowed time for people to profit from it, witness GOP Senators selling stocks on the back of congressional information telling them how bad it would get. (You can stake your life on the Trumps doing the same). Overall, to the GOP, perhaps 7.4M American deaths is a price worth paying for their profits.

I volunteer for a couple of non-profits. Both have no revenue and will be insolvent in a couple of months. I don’t expect them to survive, even if lock downs are short lived. It’s not just “business” that is going to be affected.

So yes, the economy is going to be devastated, absolutely, along with other parts of society that we take for granted. Those who are worried about the economic impact are being very short-sighted, only concerned about their pay checks, the dollar in their pocket. Life will not return to any semblance of normality, ever, unless the GOP are voted out across the board, and kept out for generations. Even then, normality will take years to return and will be very, very, different.

For 40 years, the GOP has said that Govt is the problem, have constantly underfunded essential services so that, of course, they don’t perform as well as they could. And, with this administration, they have gutted many federal agencies, exploited public lands. They have given huge tax breaks to their rich friends and corporations, those corporations have then engaged in stock buy-backs to enrich themselves further.

Govt is by the people for the people. In other words, the Govt is all of us. There will always be Govt, the only issue is who do we want it to serve? The majority or the minority of rich and super-rich?

Richard
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

This is an RV discussion site. Please keep your political views to yourself, and it would be appreciated if you only post if it is about RV issues.
Thank you!

Bob M
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard

Then the RV site shouldn’t have raised the issue.

Vickie A
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

Truth!

Greg
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

Yup…. Bob you are correct…

Dennis
5 months ago
Reply to  Greg

Yep, he correctly recited the talking points, as propagandized as they are…

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

Boobie, it is important that you start to drink heavily. Obviously you suffer from some syndrome. So, wash your hand, and pour yourself one. Stay calm.

Dennis
5 months ago

But stop drinking the Kool Aid, Boobie…

Bob M
5 months ago

I don’t drink and I’m totally calm. For example, my son just returned from Europe and is self-isolating. I suggested to my wife that, logically, if we’re all going to be infected at some point, it’s better to be infected now, whilst ICU beds and ventilators are still available, than wait until the surge of cases and be without. It’s like, if you know when you are going to die, what would you do, how would you change your behavior. In this case, you should know that you are going to be infected, so how does that change your behavior? I hope, for your sake, that you are young and fit. But if you are not, say you’re mid-50s or older, and don’t keep in shape, then good luck, you’re going to need it.

Alvin
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

This thing is sure affecting some folks in more diabolical ways than it is others. Thanks for “coming out” Bob, stay inside, drink lots of liquids, and get well soon.

Bob M
5 months ago
Reply to  Alvin

No, I get out and about but just take sensible precautions.

Bobby
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

Your analysis to me is perfectly right on. The Great Orange Leader lost 6 weeks we could have prepared, but as with 19,900 other lies and getting by with it, why not tell another one. It is just a mild flu, continue to go to work, etc. What leadership! People need to wake up from the BS lies. This whole administration makes me want to puke. RV issues? Of course it is. This whole summer seasons of RV that we in MN, we get at most 6 months, and now this summer may be in the toilet. Nice – buy an expensive RV and it may sit all summer with park closures and casinos closed. Even if some states keep their parks open, what about the all the other RVer headed our way making it difficult to get a spot. Oh yes, with some many out of work and bankrupt, maybe there won’t be many RVer out. Yesterday they reported all investment gains in the past 3 ½ years have disappeared. For all those that think it will all come back, just remember it took 8 years to overcome the losses from the previous big recession under RR. This is not go to be over anytime soon. Don’t you believe it.

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Bobby

****, check your time line. You left out the fact that he was under siege by the opposite party, for the Trumped up (pun intended) impeachment, which was entirely partisan. Its important to know that accurate history will be written on this most tragic event.

The blame is with China, who did not report the virus to the WHO, till well after most of the citizenry escaped Wuhan. That allowed the initial spread outside the region, and ultimately four corners of the globe.

Its truely disheartening to read the inaccuracies that are part of people’s dislike for one individual. I suggest you calm down, wash your hands, keep seperated, and think more positive.

Oh, and one more thing, trying to prevent legislation to help the American people, because you want more windmill legislation is beyond dumbness. I’ll leave it up to you to discover which people are responsible for that travesty.

Rick
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

I enjoyed reading your editorial, all until you got into the politics and pointing fingers. Give the politics a rest and focus on helping, not hurting!

mike henrich
5 months ago

This is an update on the Pennsylvania campgrounds situation. Late Friday evening, a few campgrounds in Pa posted on FB that the restrictions have been lifted and they are allowed to open. I”ve reached out for more information but as of now, I haven’t heard back. The shutdown list here in Pa is extensive, and the updated list still has campgrounds listed. If heading to a campground here, it would be best to call that particular campground ahead of time. Stay safe everyone.

Brent
5 months ago

I am deeply concerned over the actions that our elected officials have taken in response to COVID-19. The harm their collective actions will bring to our nations citizens will greatly exceed the damage of COVID-19 had they chosen simply to keep their constituents up to date on the real facts and left them to make their own decisions about when to gather in groups, when to visit restaurants and bars, when to frequent movie theaters, etc., etc., etc. The facts simply do not support the actions they have taken.

Please consider the following CDC facts published 03/20/2020:

COVID-19 in the U.S.:
15,000 cases
200 deaths

Influenza in the U.S. this winter
29 million cases
280,000 hospitalizations
10,000 deaths

How in the name of reason can our officials justify the actions they have taken with respect to COVID-19????

We must push back on the enormous pressure we are all feeling to go along with the crowd. The crowd (our mayors, our county judges, our governors) are simply misguided on this critical matter. Their frantic herd mentality is quickly destroying our economy.

Bill T
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Agreed. Here in Canada it’s the same thing. “Swatting flies with a hammer” and doing more damage, than necessary, when they miss.

Richard
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

It’s not the flu and it’s nothing like the flu.

For the elderly and people with heart disease, Primary Immune disfunction, etc it can be fatal. IF left unchecked, it would cause an estimated 4 million deaths and require more than 30 times the number of available ventilators in the United States. Nearly everyone not on a ventilator that has issues fighting the disease would die.

This is why it is important not to get out and about spreading the virus. Basically the number of people it could kill is about the population of Los Angeles.

Mark
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Brent, the closures are being driven by science. ALL medical experts, 100%, say the virus is just gaining steam and the situation will become catastrophic in just a few weeks.

The flu virus kills 0.1 percent of the infected. The COVID-19 virus kills about 2%. Do the math like the experts have and follow their recommendations to stay completely away from people for the foreseeable future. The idea that anyone would try to downplay the seriousness of this situation is uninformed at best or (fill in the adjective) at worst.

Jeff
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Brent,
I am not good at pasting and copying what you wrote. If I was every senator in Wisconsin where I live would be getting a copy of what you wrote.
Jeff

Jeff
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

One more thing about this virus. Can people name these medical experts? Who are they? The national and local media have scared people. I sick and tired of the fear that the media is putting out there. Is this a ploy from our government to crash the economy by shutting everything down and finally putting us under martial law.

Rick
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Your question is a good one and left me scratching my head a bit. Then I came across an article by a medical doctor in the highly respected WebMD website giving a very good comparison (in my opinion of course) of Influenza and Covid19. Not sure I can figure out how to put a link in here….
But you should be able to go to the WebMD.com website and find it. It was published yesterday.

Dennis
5 months ago
Reply to  Rick

That would be the website that has my wife convinced she has every fatal disease listed in the almanac…

Rick
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Hoping this is a valid link to the WebMD article I just mentioned in my last post…….
http://click.messages.webmd.com/?qs=49f6cb1b0e22db0c36b56decb8e03
508fff377a585560e76d492363f016eb1583b503039f3f0a84823fdbb45e48836c52a8a49df69b72a8fd9b65761f6951f0c

Rick
5 months ago
Reply to  RV Staff

Yes, that’s the correct Link, thanks Diane!

chuck
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Your right to be concerned, anyone remember the swine flu :
63 million cases
300,000 hospitalized
17,000 deaths

From a source with 30 yrs as a medicinal chemist, “there is no reliable test for the flu or for coronavirus. The CDC has been preaching this for decades, “” you could still have the flu, even though your rapid test result is negative “. In the same manner, you could test posted and not be sick.”
Kerry Mullins was the biochemist who pioneered viral testing….he won the Nobel Prize for his work. And even came forward to denounce the technique for testing sick people. (Much of his funding got pulled in later yrs once he refused to follow Big Pharms narrative on HIV).
More I would like to inform you on but not here!
The rhetoric you’re hearing on the news about testing positive is all hype and fear propaganda!
Take reasonable steps like we were all taught by our moms!

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  chuck

Better write ” Swine Flu term down. The PC police are in the process of scrubbing it, stating with Wikipedia. Morons among us.

Dennis
5 months ago

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste.” – – Rahm Emanuel

Alvin
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Has anyone checked with Jesse Ventura, to get his take on what is going on here?

I’m with Brent – the numbers do not match with the hype. In Canada HAI’s (Super-bugs) take out up to 1000 people every month and nobody declares that a pandemic or shuts down anything!

I personally strongly suspect something else at play here -some of you already are suggestive of – as for me I’m reluctant to weigh in – I don’t want my windows broken – still pretty cold here in Canada.

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Alvin

Now there is a reliable source, Jesse Ventura! the wrestler.

Greg
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

The choice is yours, but you better get informed. Several NY hospitals are already full. This virus is about 3x as transmisive as the flu and has 3x-10x the mortality rate. We usually don’t hear about the flu until 10s of thousands are infected and the death toll hits 10k or so. You’ve been watching this since it got loose.

Track it her- https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

The growth is exponential. That’s not hype, bottom right corner of the web sit will make it a log graph for you. If you don’t know what that means, you should probably keep your opinions to yourself.

Predictions are as high as 70% of the population will get it, the low number is 40%. Mortality is thought to actually be about 0.3% or less but running 3% or so on confirmed case, this is an artifact of inadequate testing. All ages can get it and are die from it but older and weaker are getting hit harder.

The virus doesn’t care what you think!!!!!

States are waiting for test kits, supplies and equipment!!! Press conferences are spinning nice tales, but nothing is hitting the street, few tests, no masks, no ventilators. Hospitals are reusing basks for a full shift where they would normally use one per patient.

The current fight is to hold the numbers down so the ICU’s are not overwhelmed… Your personal goal is to not get it until a vaccine is out, august if lucky, next august if not and it doesn’t mutate.

Don’t be stupid, don’t be macho… think it a Hoax better do some research. Still think it’s a hoax, better find some other places to do your research. Look to the CDC, they have the best overall information.

The above and many of the replies here are ill informed and irresponsible. Your lack of useful action will kill you, your loved ones and maybe me….

Joe
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Transmission of the regular flu is about 1 person can infect 1.3 people. The COVID-19 virus 1 person can infect APX 2.4 people and some studies show a higher rate. Start doing the math, the infectious rate can be astronomical. Along with the higher infection rate the death rate is much higher. There are many articles to read that are written by the CDC, World Health Organization and ETC to get educated on this terrible virus.

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Tell it to the Italians dude. Try turning on the TV once in a while, citing stats doesn’t cut it. Let’s not mimic Italy. Wash your hand, don’t lugie..on anyone.

Dennis
5 months ago

… and don’t get old, because Italians are the oldest population in Europe, therefore more affected.

Bob M
5 months ago

Actually, the US is mimicking Italy. The death rate in the US is >33%, which means the number dying every day is doubling every 2-3 days. The steps being taken are nowhere near enough to slow the virus down. Only very late have Italy, Spain and France gone for complete lock down.

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Bob M

Now Bobbie, don’t be saying stuff just cuz ya can. Be responsible, wash your hands, drink pleanty of fluids (wink, wink), and listen to what they are saying. You, and your loved ones can separate. Why do you think the cities are more infected, because they bump into each other more. So, be specific and say that those in closer proximity, need to be even more diligent.

Snayte
5 months ago
Reply to  Brent

You do realize that you are comparing a full year of flu data to a few months for covid-19 right?

warmonk
5 months ago

Chuck, you ask, “who could ever have imagined such a thing?”

The answer: for years lots of people saw it coming, said it was coming, wrote about it coming, gamed it, and modelled it. People who were paid to look into the future and prepare the government and the public told us and were ignored.

The pandemic is not a surprise. The head-in-the-sand behaviour of government and the public is what is beyond comprehension.

Even the annual unclassified intelligence community threat reports – publicly available – have for years included pandemic as a major threat. Those tasked with planning and preparation have for years said this is what must be done before the pandemic arrives. They said that millions would become ill, that the economy would shut down, that the medical community would be overwhelmed … and they added, this is what needs to be done before that happens.

Truth to people. Truth to power.

Why bother? Neither people nor power were listening, are listening, will listen.

Vickie A
5 months ago
Reply to  warmonk

Amen.

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  warmonk

The government’s purpose is not to protect you, it’s job it to protect us, from foreign aggressions. Your job is to protect you, and if you have the ability, your loved ones.

This, as our leader has said, is an invisable enemy. Therefore, fighting it is more difficult. The Chinese could have done a better job, but instead they are now working overtime to blame somebody else. History may record this correctly, or we, the collective can just yawn when they fail to point to the culprits. It will be at the worlds peril, if the latter is adopted, because history will repeat itself, and we have then learned nothing.

You want to see a country on their knees right now, look to Italy. For all those who think this is some bull crap trip, I hope you don’t lose gramma or grampa in this event.

As to all those who get it, wash your hands, and have as little contact as possible, until this Wuhan virus runs it course.

Dennis
5 months ago

Government now propagates more government, and this will do it. Constitution? BAHHH!!

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Dennis

Dennis, I fear you are right. One good thing about this, is that almost all gun stores are empty. A few reports are that over 70% are first time buyers. Guess trying to throttle the second, just got a little harder my friend.

Monty
5 months ago

We have to put this in perspective. The cure it seems worse than the disease. We don’t do all of this for the flu. And look at the economic toll on us. It’s a matter of how much we are willing to risk our freedoms and our economic health for something that might not make any difference in the overall mortality rate of all illnesses and accidents.

Jeff
5 months ago

I will be 54 next month. Here’s what I understand. This virus is bad as we are told by the local and national news media? Here’s what I don’t understand. The government is shutting everything down. How is this helping the economy? Where is the government getting this money from that they want too send us? The government is broke. If and when I get the money I will save it until my two young grandsons need diapers and formula. Both grandsons are under two years of age. My youngest one was born two weeks ago.
Why is there still a run on toilet paper? Our local walmart got a shipment of toilet paper yesterday. Our youngest daughter went shopping at our local walmart yesterday and the toilet paper is gone already. My youngest daughter needed some groceries.
If Wisconsin decides to shelter us in place like some other states are doing I will not be working. I will start drawing unemployment. A few weeks ago I told my wife this. A few months ago I had a feeling that I will have a hard time finding a job just like I did when I was laid off in 2008. If companies in Wisconsin do not call back some of there work force and I get laid off again it will be 2008 all over again for me. My wife and oldest daughter work for the same school district in Wisconsin and both my wife and oldest daughter are still getting paid for being off. My wife is the only one there who knows how too run payroll. Like I said if Wisconsin shelters us in place my wife will be unable too run payroll unless she can bring payroll home to work on. My middle daughter just got laid off from her day care job in Missouri. My youngest daughter of course is a stay at home mom.
My mother in law who lives in Wisconsin and is of retirement age keeps working too keep herself busy just got laid off from her hotel job. Everyone says we are in shut down mode. I believe we are under martial law. What happens if this virus never goes away? I do not believe we are in a recession. I believe we are close too a depression?

Billy Bob Thornton
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

Jeffrey, right now, exclusive of the vaccine probably due in 9 mo. to a years time, the BEST way to not contract it is to limit your chances of exposure. This virus from China is highly contagious, so, wash your hands, limit contact and pray your mom and dad dont contract it. Want some sobering video, google italian emergency rooms. NOBODY should be subjected to that if preventable. The economy will come back, gramma and grampa might not. So wash your hands, stay smart and please calm down.