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RV Travel Newsletter Issue 963

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Page Contents

August 29, 2020
Non-Members (advertising supported) edition

Editor’s corner

With Chuck Woodbury

Executives in the RV industry should read up on William Piper, the creator of the Piper Cub airplane and the founder of the Piper Aircraft Corporation. He was a smart guy who knew that simply creating a product like an affordable airplane was not enough. It was as important, if not more important, that his customers could use what he produced.

Piper Cub

The Piper Cub debuted in 1937. It was to aviation what the Model T was to the auto industry. Piper was often referred to as “the Henry Ford of Aviation.” The lightweight airplane sold for less than $1,000, making it affordable to many Americans.

Mr. Piper was a smart businessman. He knew that people would not buy a Cub unless they had places to take off and land it. So what did he do? He lobbied small towns across the USA to build airports. I’m sure part of his pitch was “build a landing strip and fliers (and their money) will drop in from the skies where they will ‘drop’ their money into your town.”

Today, the Piper Cub stands as one of the most successful private aircraft in history. But what if Mr. Piper just cranked out the planes and paid no attention to what buyers did with them afterwards? “Airfields? I don’t care. Let ’em find a place to land on their own!” No, he was too smart for that.

Which brings me to the manufacturer-supported RV industry whose association’s mission is to sell as many RVs as possible with no interest in how those buyers will use them.

Why don’t they do as Mr. Piper did, and send specially trained “ambassadors” to small towns across America to lobby city councils. In today’s world that might mean convincing them that building a city RV park would be good for their community. The ambassadors could provide free building plans and reputable vendors to help the towns cut construction costs. They could provide economic impact reports of how a park can help the local economy. The ambassadors could attend planning commission meetings to counter arguments from ill-informed locals who think RV parks will attract the wrong crowd. They could provide promotional handouts to citizens who think anyone with an RV is “trailer trash.” They could run ads in the local newspaper to explain the benefits of a city RV park.

As is, none of this is ever done in an organized, professional way.

Don’t you think Thor, Forest River or Winnebago might be willing to help fund these lobbying efforts? I bet they would if only some special person would step forward to create and administer such a program. But, don’t hold your breath.

MOST READERS OF THIS NEWSLETTER report it’s getting harder and harder to find places to stay with their RVs. Reservations must be made months (even years) ahead for prime camping spots. Imagine if one of those Piper Cub pilots of yesteryear had to reserve landing times a month ahead.

I talked with a reader today who told me of a recent trip where he estimated two out of every five RVs in the RV parks where he stayed had temporary license tags — in other words, newly purchased rigs (many, if not most of them by first-time buyers). I have noticed the same thing.

The RV industry should jump into crisis mode to explore places for these buyers and veteran RVers to stay. Campgrounds are already packed, and even freebie stopover spots like Walmart are increasingly banning overnight stays.

It will be at least a couple of years before people start again routinely flying overseas or taking cruises. In the meantime, RVing will continue to soar in popularity.

I don’t want to think what the scene will be like in a year or two. I know from my mail that many RVers are simply dropping out. They didn’t buy an RV to make reservations — that’s what you do with hotels. The appeal of RVing has always been to travel where your heart desires, and then as a day grows short, pull into an RV park or campground for a night, or longer if you like it there.

With so many shopping malls closed across America, why doesn’t the RV industry entice a company to create inexpensive overnight parking spaces with electric hookups in their abandoned parking lots (similar to those in Ohio Turnpike service plazas)? Why doesn’t the RV Industry Association (RVIA) lobby Cabela’s to install automated electric pedestals in the back of its parking lots for RVers who need a place to stay? Ditto Walmart, Target, Home Depot, etc. Why doesn’t Camping World’s Marcus Lemonis or KOA pick up on this idea?

Why can’t a company come forth to provide 30- and 50-amp hookups in parking lots, like Tesla is doing across the country?

Tesla has set up charging stations across the country. But then Tesla is a company with vision — one that sees the big picture.

One of these days, someone in the RV industry with vision will surface who cares more about the lives of millions of people than just going along with the program. And that special person will make a big and lasting difference. Isn’t that what most of us wish to do with our lives?


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Also: My staff and I hope and pray that those of you displaced by wildfires or Hurricane Laura will find a way through your ordeal, despite what must be difficult, challenging times. If you have been affected, please feel free to share your stories with us, and we’ll share at least some of them with our readers. Submit them here.

Keep informed
Current Wildfire Report.
National Hurricane Center.

Last week’s Tip of the Day in RV Daily Tips Newsletters

Do you really need solar panels on your RV?
Ten tips for proper hydration.
Avoid major damage – Inspect all exterior seams regularly.
Master your cruise control for smooth traveling.
RV shopping? Run away from water damage!

Clintoons • By Clint Norrell


Try this easy DIY trick to trap fruit flies (watch the video, it works!)

By Nanci Dixon
It is fruit fly season here in Minnesota and, boy, they are everywhere! They particularly seem to enjoy bananas (well, all fruit really), and this morning they took a liking to my cereal. They have to go! This is an easy-to-make trap to attract and contain them. You won’t believe how simple and effective this is!

This video could save you from danger during a tire blowout

Chad and Tara of Changing Lanes take wonderful care of their tires. They protect them with UV spray, they check to make sure they’re properly inflated, they constantly check the tread wear and the dates, they don’t drive fast, and they have a TPMS installed… yet they still had a tire blowout. Watch the video for important safety tips.

What if disaster strikes and you can’t get back to your RV?

By Barry Zander
The rains came. We didn’t think they would stop. Almost 11 inches hit the west face of Mt. Lemmon towering above Catalina State Park in Arizona. We were there. When it did finally stop, we looked out and saw a 50-foot-wide river of rushing water between us and the exit road to the highway. Too deep and swift to drive or wade across. We were trapped, possibly along with pets in RVs of our fellow campers. What happens if a natural disaster occurs and you can’t return to your RV? Get some tips here.

The pandemic: The bad news, the good news, and the feel-good news

By Nanci Dixon
Do you want the bad news or the good news first? Let’s start with the bad news to get it out of the way. We can all agree that this year has been difficult … hard … and for some of us, horrible. It has been almost a year since we first started hearing about a strange disease related to SARS in China. We knew it would never reach our shores. But reach us it did and here we are. … Read more for the good news and some uplifting feel-good news.

The campers who did this should be thrown in jail!

A reader sent editor Chuck Woodbury a photo showing intentional damage by a camper to a campsite in a National Park, and it made his blood boil. What kind of person would do such a thing? The more he looked at the photo, the angrier he became. What do you think?

Run two air conditioners on 30 amps – Wow!
When the temperature really gets sizzling and your 50-amp rig is stuck with a 30-amp hookup, you’re out of luck if you want to run two air conditioners. That is, unless you have a state-of-the-art SoftStartRV. It’s inexpensive, simple to install, and works just as promised. Don’t miss watching the short video by RV electricity expert Mike Sokol. Learn more or order at a special discount.

Last year at this time, these were the most popular articles

There are still heroes of the highway
RV shopping? Watch out for the dreaded low-end CCC sticker
When Quartzsite had it’s own bank – in a motorhome!
RVer annoyed with park ranger’s attitude

Brain Teaser

Unscramble the words below so that each pair of words rhymes.


(Shhh. Don’t give it away. Answer in tomorrow’s Sunday News newsletter.)

Be safe: Disposable face masks. Many choices at Amazon.

Reader Poll

How many motor vehicles do you own?

Please let us know. After you click your response, you’ll see how others have responded. Feel free to leave a comment. We’ll post the final results in next week’s newsletter. CLICK HERE.

The most popular poll in this past week’s RV Daily Tips newsletters:
In the past year, have you paid your credit card balances in full each month? See how nearly 2,300 other RVers responded.

Masks required in 34 states. Are people wearing them?

By Nanci Dixon
Thirty-four states currently have mask mandates. The mandates vary state by state …. While some states have not mandated masks, cities within a state can mandate masks. Miami mandated masks while Florida did not. A couple of weeks ago I posted a question in the Facebook group RVing During the Pandemic. I asked if people are seeing others wearing masks and social distancing. Here are some of your responses.

Get paid $1,000 to “digitally detox” in an RV. Is this what RVing is about?

By Emily Woodbury
A contest by SatelliteInternet.com wants to pay you $1,000 to “digitally detox” in an RV for 48 hours. “Digitally detox?” Sure, for some, that might feel like a necessary relief these days, when screens and advertisements and videos are plastered and playing around us 15 hours a day … but is that really what RVing is all about? Read more.

Thought about working the sugar beet harvest? This might convince you

By Nanci Dixon
Sid and Karen Woods are a retired couple that are currently park hosts at a campground in Minnesota. After their park host gig ends here, they will be going to Michigan to work the sugar beet harvest. The Woodses worked the harvest last year for the first time in North Dakota and loved it. Not only did they make some significant money for completing the entire month, but they said how much the farmers appreciated their work. Read more.

A sad warning about flimsy step stools

By Barry Zander
For those of you who have ever tripped coming out of your RV, this story is for you (and a warning for those who haven’t). Sitting in a booth at some Midwestern Pizza Hut, my wife, Monique, and I were biding our time until our number was called … “Whatdaya think that man over there is thinking?” I asked, indicating the senior at the table across the room. He was by himself, seeming to stare at his plate without eating. Minutes went by without us noticing any change in expression and little movement. He just stared down at his pizza. … Continue reading.

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The most popular roadside assistance program
More than 1.5 million successful roadside rescues. There are many choices available to RVers, but the Good Sam Club program remains the most popular year after year.  Learn more.

New blog: Crowded campgrounds

RV Travel readers chime in with their stories, and we try to make sense of how to deal with the huge influx of new RVers competing for a mostly unchanging number of places to stay. Read the second installment of this weekly blog.

Amazon CamperForce: Quick cash, tough work

By Keith Ward
Fall is coming on quick, and that means cooling temperatures, changing leaves, and a strange migration throughout the land – not birds going south for the winter, but RVers heading to campgrounds to become part of the seasonal Amazon CamperForce. Amazon CamperForce is a small army of folks that makes some money working in gigantic Amazon warehouses to handle the demands of Christmas shopping madness. The jobs start in September and October, and end just before Christmas. Learn more.

Neat RV rental company delivers right to your door or campsite

By Nanci Dixon
Earlier this week, I spent some time chatting with a new campground neighbor and found out that she owns a business, GuestWings™ mobile RV suites, that rents and delivers Airstream trailers to homes and campgrounds as an extra bedroom space for overnight guests. What a great idea to have extra guest space either at home or at the campground! Continue reading.

Airstream Touring Coaches – What you need to know – Part Three

This is Part Three of a four-part series entitled What You Need To Know About Airstream Touring Coaches. In this series, Andy Pargh, The Gadget Guru, interviews Justin Humphreys, the Vice President of Sales of Airstream, Inc., and various topics are discussed regarding Airstream’s Sprinter Touring Coach Business as well as the specific models in the lineup. Note: This is not a commercial and no payments were provided Andy for the production of this video. Watch Part Three here.

Popular articles from last week

RV park’s reputation gets smashed after harsh treatment of campers.
Campground Crowding. Discussion for August 22, 2020.
Deer flies a problem? Try this easy trick.
Tips for Wi-Fi and cell data on the road.
As RVers are we “getting away from it all” or is the lifestyle “getting away from us”?
RVelectricity – Can I get shocked from a GFCI?
Storytelling: A pleasant RV spot, a mysterious gray van, and a whole lotta cops
Knowing this hidden key trick could save you a road service call.
RV Electricity – Just Ask Mike (J.A.M.): Why does my 30-amp plug overheat?
RVers and experts weigh in: What are the best days to travel?
Giant wooden spool attacks pickup truck then disappears.
Boondocking in a coronavirus world. Part 5: Here’s a big variety of things to see and do.
Letter from 10-year-old RVer will touch your heart.
More than 58,000 Ram trucks and Jeep Grand Cherokees recalled.
Campground Chatter with Janet Groene, August 22, 2020.


How would you like to win this Retro RV Cutting Board? Well, this might be your lucky day! In one of this past week’s RV Daily Tips Newsletters we published a secret phrase. Simply email the phrase to us at RVcontests@gmail.com . We’ll select a winner at random out of all entries we receive today (August 29, 2020) by 11 a.m. Pacific time. Remember, you can only enter once and after we notify you by email that you won, you have 24 hours to respond or we’ll give the prize to someone else.

LAST WEEK’S WINNER of the NOAA Weather Alert Radio was Ron Schafer of Indianapolis, Indiana. The previous week’s winner of the terrific drone was Steve Tolbert, of Xenia, Illinois.

Protect your RV “pigtail”
That 7-way connector on your travel trailer or fifth wheel is a critical component. When not plugged into your tow rig, the thing is susceptible to the onslaught of dirt, rain and even bugs. Here’s a plug cover that slips right over your precious plug and keeps out the crud. One user says, “This works perfectly to keep the plug on my RV clear. I remove it when not in use and place it in my ‘RV emergency tool kit.’ This way, it’s not knocked around when driving.” Learn more or order.


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Where to complain about bad RVs, dealers, service, RV parks. This is an ever-expanding list of resources where you can report, share or discuss your problems with RV manufacturers or dealers.

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Directory of RV parks with storm shelters
In case you’re on the road with your RV and the weather report is showing a tornado headed your way, have this list handy.

RV Clubs
Check out our Directory of RV Clubs and Organizations.

What does financing an RV for 20 years REALLY mean?
In case you missed this article the first time around, here it is again. Important! Click here.

Stuck with a lemon RV? Contact Ron Burdge, America’s premier RV lemon law attorney.

RV Tech Corner with Mark Gorrie

Gearbox broke and our slide is grinding – Help!

Dear Mark,
We are on the road and I think a gearbox broke when we went to deploy our kitchen slide. The slide moved about an inch and stopped moving and started grinding. No mobile techs are available for days and we are hours from any dealership. What can we do to get through this trip? Read Mark’s response. 

Boondockers Welcome — Stay at homes of RVers who welcome you in their driveways, yards, farmland or other space on their private property. Modest membership fee. Learn more.

RV Electricity

Can I run my air conditioner from batteries?

Dear Readers,
One of the most-asked questions I’ve received this year is about the possibility of powering a rooftop air conditioner from solar panels without shore power or a generator. At first I thought it was a silly idea without any chance of working at all. However, as new technologies become more readily available such as lithium batteries, hybrid inverters and soft start controllers, there’s the possibility of running an air conditioner for at least a few hours in the evening in order to cool down your bedroom enough to sleep. Getting the batteries recharged from solar is still a difficult proposition, but I’m working on it. Learn more.

This week’s J.A.M. (Just Ask Mike) Session

How low of a voltage is too low?

Dear Mike,
I’ve got an EMS surge protector that keeps cutting off our power in the afternoon. It usually comes back on in a few minutes but gives us a low-voltage error. Isn’t it supposed to be 110 volts? So just how low is too low, and what does it hurt? —Estelle

Read Mike’s answer.

Sign up for Mike’s popular and informative RV Electricity group on Facebook.

Be like Mike! Use this 3-light and digital voltage tester!
Mike Sokol says: “I found this nifty tester online and have been using it in a variety of voltage checking situations. It performs all of the 3-light tests for outlet polarity, open ground, open neutral, etc., as well as being a 3-digit digital voltage indicator. In addition, it performs a standard 5 mA GFCI safety test – which you should be performing on all of your GFCI outlets once a month (or at least once a camping season).” Read more about it here.

RV Tire Safety

“Cold inflation pressure” and clarification of tire terms

By Roger Marble
It appears I messed up in my previous post “More on tire cold inflation vs. ‘set pressure’.” I failed to properly define the terms I was using, so if you bear with me I will try and clear things up. Continue reading.

Forget buying a portable generator!
Use your car or truck to generate clean 110 power with a CarGenerator. It’s cheaper, more reliable, and so light even a child can lift it. Use to power your RV accessories, and recharge batteries for continued use of CPAP machines, etc. Perfect supplement to solar on cloudy days. At home, use for backup power when the power grid goes down. Learn more.

Building an RV Park

Stress and more stress, but Max brightens our days

By Machelle James
Now I understand why I keep getting asked, “How are you and AJ doing?” I always have said, “We are good, and we are learning to work together.” Well, even the best of marriages are going to be tested when opening a business together. Last week when we were tense and started snapping at each other, we weren’t speaking much and knew we had to have a talk. Once we realized what was happening to us and why we were short with each other, we realized it was severe STRESS. … [W]e are both secretly scared [the campground] won’t be built in the time frame we need it to be built. Read more.

The RV Kitchen

Throwback Stew

Back to basics: Stone Soup. Do you long for the good ol’ days of camping, when you and your sibs gathered wood for the campfire? Dad fanned the flames with yesterday’s newspaper while Mom opened the pork and beans with Dad’s army surplus can opener. This affordable, tasty, easy “pork ‘n’ beans” stew is leaner, thanks to using fresh pork cubes rather than salt pork or bacon. It’s easily made on any camp stove, RV range or campfire. This recipe is easily multiplied. Get the recipe.

Camping with the Corps of Engineers
Many RVers consider Corps of Engineers campgrounds to be the best in the country. This guide is just for RVers — boat-in and tent-only sites are not included. Of all the public lands, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has some of the best parks and campgrounds available. In fact, it’s the largest federal provider of outdoor recreation in the nation. Learn more or order.

The Digital RVer

How to find that boondocking spot again: Just take a photo

By Chris Guld
In several articles here at RV Travel, I have praised the ability of our phones to record location along with the photos we take. Here is another example of that, using a new feature of Google Photos called “Explore Map”. Remember that great boondocking site you had near Quartzsite? Could you find it again? Did you take a photo of it? If so, then Google Photos can help you find it, and give you exact directions to drive there again. Learn how easy this is here.

Reader letters

Dear editor:
We are full-timers and have read your discouraging article about crowded campgrounds. My wife is so concerned about summer availability, with occasional hookups, that she’s talking about camp hosting all summer long and only traveling in the winter. We are in a large truck camper. I believe we can find something easier than someone who has a fifth wheel or a class A. Please tell us it is so. —Bryan and Corrina B.

Read the editor’s response.

Facebook Groups of Interest

Boondocking & Free Camping USA
Glamping PUPS (Pop-Up Campers)
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Plus, join us in our own groups HERE

Keep road flares in the RV for emergency
You should always have road flares in your RV in case of an emergency. This pack of three bright, waterproof and shatterproof LED disks are perfect to keep tucked away. These bright lights can be seen from a mile away and can be used for traffic control, as a warning light, as a rescue beacon, and they can also be used for recreational activities such as camping and hiking. Learn more or order here.

Readers’ Pet of the Day

Our dog, Owen. He’s half Husky and half Norwegian Elkhound. He’s sitting in front of the fireplace in our camper, probably wishing it was turned off. Kinda prefers the cold, as you could imagine. But he loves camping…the hikes, the campfires, and the hot dogs. — Chuck, Danville, PA

Pets featured in this past week’s RV Daily Tips:
• Monday: Violeta • Tuesday: Tui • Wednesday: Bailey & Dutch • Thursday: Carly
• Friday: Arvie

If you bring your dog camping, they need this!


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Bumper sticker of the week

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Joke of the Week

A masked RV!

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  1. Aside from my post on the direct bigger issue, RVing faces the same problem Amateur Radio does… lack of leadership and vision at an Organization level. Radio even has a USA organization, the ARRL that collects membership fees, and interfaces with the FCC for licensing of operators and testing. But like RVing, Radio is anemic, lacks growth and leadership in ways that are obvious. RVing lacks an association and related leadership. First thought that comes to mind is to leverage the Sierra Club, and lobby for marketing with dues money by RVers. So while there’s talk of manufacturers, sure, but in Radio we have manufacturers and Association dropping the ball… need more than manufacturers.
    PS shows like Going RV are playing all day multiple times a day… has to be driving a ton of growth for years now.

  2. I think people are avoiding the obvious root cause. As long as we fail to address rampant population growth, we’ll continue to see EVERYTHING grow out of reach due to far more people than the subject can feasibly handle – whether that subject is Yosemite, or a local museum, or basic food and water supplies. And nobody is even talking about it. Our population in the US is already challenged, and we’ll allow it to grow double, triple, and tenfold from what we have today with nobody saying the obvious? We already cannot get in to see attractions and landmarks without long waits to years, and a dozen states rob Peter to pay Paul on serious water supply issues. Growth needs to be addressed and checked, ASAP, or life as we know and value it will be over. Population in the US is 330 million. You think building RV parks is going to solve one symptom… try to find a park site when we have 660 million, or 1.2 billion plus plus… we’re fast on our way. Missing the Forrest for the Trees.

    • Absolutely. The population explosion is at the base of most of civilation’s problems: Climate change, crowded freeways, famines, polution, and more.

      • Have to start holding political parties accountable to tangible platform goals, and tell them they need to act. Right now, no political party will touch “hot potato” topics, and are doing nothing to further Mankind’s future. That needs to change. People need to care enough to start being active and voicing to politicians expectations and accountability.

  3. Beautiful Pet of the Day!! Reminds me so much of our Keeshond, Misty, who we lost on Thanksgiving Day in 2017….due to happily old age of 14. She always had that smile too. Please give Owen a big hug from us!

  4. Started our day in New Mexico CG on route 66 it wasn’t half full. Headed east on I 40 past several CG with only a few campers. Got to state park in Oklahoma it’s packed. In our travels last two years it’s the destination CG that’s full rarely the stop over unless it’s has a lot of permanent residents with rvs that haven’t moved in years and that’s what old parking lot CG would quickly turn into. After reading Mrs James article on building CG just imagine a Walmart coming to town and letting people camp for free. It’s a more complex problem than opening CG in a place no one wants to visit.

  5. I am rather surprised that Walmart has not take advantage of their vast parking lots and added power stations for an overnight stay and charge 10 or 15 bucks. We are all staying there now for free. I am sure many of us would pay a reasonable fee to have power during our Wal-docking stays. I have used the Ohio Turnpike overnight RV rest stops. Very convenient and nice to have power, level and relative quiet. The idea of city mall parking is ripe for an entrepreneur to go town to town and make use of mall parking lots to add money to the city coffers. Nah, I am going to stay retired this time. 🙂

  6. I think the answer to getting more rv parks might be the same as was the answer to Mc Donalds’ success.- Make it something that no one has yet. KOA has some of those answers but I’m not informed about what they’re doing lately. Some of Chuck’s ideas in the past sounded good to me. One of them was to build parks that had no frills. I’ve heard of a few people doing this but just here and there. I’m not sure about the “rv park ambassador” concept.- It makes me think about a program on 60 minutes years ago where the Walmart Team set out to build one of their stores in a community that didn’t have one yet. It’s not that I disapprove of rv parks- I like them and would welcome more than one in our town. I hope that someone can make this concept a success.

  7. Chuck, in the piper article, I agree with you. The very first time I went to a Walmart to park I asked the manager why they allow us to use the lot, he said every RV spends over $100. When they come in, so it’s good business. Imagine if the small towns put up a lot for us to use and the money we would put into those towns

  8. We’ve been taking advantage of Boondocker’s Welcome. For $50/year, you can stay at a host site with all the privacy you want or need. If you’re willing to let people park overnight in your driveway or extra space on your yard and be a host yourself, you can sign up for $25/year. Usually the hosts have electricity and sometimes water. You offer them something for those conveniences; sometimes they’ll accept being paid and sometimes not. At most, it’s cost us $5 per night for electricity. It’s a great way to meet fellow RVers and learn hints and tips from each other. If you plan ahead, you can find hosts all across the country, even with short notice. Most are RVers themselves, so sometimes they’re home when you’re there and sometimes not. This has been an answer to prayer for us since the campgrounds are always so packed and reservations so hard to get.

  9. Yes, Dame Vera Lynn brings tears to my eyes.I was born 1938.Dad was in Swedish Army for eight years.At 7 PM every body was glued to the radio to hear Winston Churchill or Hitler making speeches.When bombs were dropped in Oslo Norway in the night we were outside on the lawn listening and worrying.

  10. Chuck, some interesting Ideas. If someone takes on the Ambassador role, two things to offer.

    1) Also talk with FEMA about grants. I think a very good argument can be made that small town RV parks would be positive infrastructure during emergencies… see resent hurricanes for examples.

    2) If you combined an RV connection with a charging station, even if just for electricity would add almost nothing to the cost of the post… Could even make them smart so the RV portion wouldn’t turn on until the mall if that was ever important.

    Stay safe…

    • Hate to reply to myself, but another piece might be to start with “routes” and the towns along them. Rt-66 is obvious, the Lewis and Clark trail and the old cattle and wagon train trails are some others. Similar opportunities in the east, revolution and civil war sites and many more. A National Park trail would be good and that one could have a lot of simple overnight stops just to get there.

      Of course it’s up to the RVers to do their part. That is to be good guests in all respects. Remember maybe above all, you may be on vacation, but the town folks aren’t…

  11. I think the huge increase in people buying RVs will end. Then a year from now many will be selling their RVs. So many think oh this is cool but some find they do not like as much as many of us fulltimers. Wait a year and you can buy a used RV for a song.

  12. Amen about the city RV parks. I just had the privilege of using one where I could come and go freely, no application to fill out or gatehouse closing at 4 p.m. etc. It was wonderful. I dropped about $800 in the local economy, because I needed to buy stuff and get things fixed. It wasn’t a scenic resort town but it is now a favored stop and much appreciated.

    I understand that private RV parks don’t need unfair competition from towns, but, since they now charge $30-50 for a crowded glorified parking space, we’ve got to have some alternatives.

  13. Years ago I worked for a fellow who was a rancher. He taught me an important lesson. “Don’t stir the manure” unless you have a way to fix the stink. Back in pipers day cities were eager to accommodate him. Today. Well the article written by the folk in Arizona building their rv park pretty well answers that question. Neighborhoods and cities don’t want them.

    • Exactly. So many cities do not want RV’s, overnight truckers, mobile homes and apartments too. We are living in a different world. As good as it sounds to get the RV industry involved in creating areas to camp, that door has shut. It is too late now. You might get some small towns interested, but many of them are dealing with other issues that are higher priority. Then between the cost of land and utilities now, a barebones campground will never make money in may areas. As it is there are many smaller, older barebones campgrounds now that don’t make ends meet unless they allow people to live there fulltime.

  14. YOU definitely have some vision about an industry you appear to care deeply for and seemingly have passion about most all of it. You also write considerably about such. 

    So, here comes the mild criticism. You whine a lot about most of it, and usually have some solutions, but don’t do anything.

    This article became my breaking point. You have a {bleeped} good idea, solution to help the industry, and the American people. 

    So why don’t YOU step up, and go to the manufacturers, organize them, and get YOUR idea implemented. Honestly, I know all the reasons you will not. And, I got a whole bunch more to say, except, I am not into beating dead horses, and I need to go install a couple of solar panels. 

    Best to you.

    PS, Don’t be a coward. Go take care of YOUR idea.

    • Oh, Fred F. I can’t do everything. I am a writer, and already spend way too many hours just producing our newsletters. Do you know much time it would take me to do what you are suggesting? My job, as I see it, is to inspire others to do something. That’s the most effective role I can play. Please, don’t call me a coward. That is very mean-spirited and not appreciated. If you want to call me or others names, then please find another website to read for your RV information.

  15. Hotel and motel chains are another candidate to provide RV sites. I stayed at Cottonwood Suites in Glasgow, Montana with electric and water hookups and full use of the motel amenities – pool, laundry, etc. You could even arrange for a wake-up call.

    Don’t count on the RV manufacturers to do anything as they have no economic incentive as they are already at mass production capacity which is where they make their money. More campgrounds won’t sell more RVs. How can you expect them to be good citizens when being a good citizen is not practiced by many citizens?

    • Doug, Yes, motels and hotels would be perfect places to add some spaces in their parking lots for RVs for overnight stays. We have written about this before. Not enough time for me to say anything more about your comment. It’s a topic I have written about many times before and am not finished with.

  16. Sadly, I believe the problem with crowded campgrounds is self-regulating over the long term. You mentioned you’ve talked to people who are hanging up the keys in disgust with the whole situation. The more newbies, the more crowding, the more frustration and the more folks who have just had enough. It’s not one for one obviously, but we may soon join the ranks of “former RV’ers”. Planned on 10-15 years in retirement. It’s been a good run for 5 years though. Might try for a couple more just to see how it goes as we hopefully emerge from COVID.

  17. Totally agree. Unfortunately RV parks have earned a poor reputation and communities do not want them nearby. NIMBY
    Our first trip in our new to us Tiffin took us to Orlando. We stayed in a lovely wooded city RV park I found listed in a travel book. The rate was unbelievable, around $25 per night WITH complete hookups. The large private parks were getting $150 per night and were full!

    • Don’t most of the problems come from those that stay long term? Focus some new parks on tourists, and others to those staying only one night on their way through.

    • I was wondering why towns would be so kind as to provide these parks, and realized, we are a 24-hour ‘security feature’. Not a lot of creeps hanging around public parks if there are a bunch of clean-cut RV types present.

  18. Since the problem at Walmart is the longer term parking, how about a 12 hour limit, no return for 36 hours? Then travelers get to stay 1 night with long term parking moving twice a day until they find something longer stay.

  19. As to the Walmart camping policy, there is a store near me and there has been a trailer parked there for going on three weeks now. They have red cones set around to keep people from parking near them and have their generator set up. I can’t believe the town has allowed this.

  20. The RV industry doesn’t care. Build them as cheaply and as the market dictates. This is the problem with public companies, there is no forward thinking, no “tomorrow”, just what the next quarter’s balance sheets will look like to it’s stockholders.
    My wife and I have decided not to upgrade to a newer RV because there is no point, they’re all built like crap these days, I will NOT make reservations 6 months ahead of time, and “camping” in a parking lot awning-to-slide site is not why we bought our motorhome years ago. When it gets to the point where it is impossible to find a spot, we will hang it up and do something else.

  21. Don’t give Tesla to much credit for putting in charging stations. The Federal government made them do it. Just like they have every other electric car company.

  22. Chuck, I completely agree with you on the need for RV ambassadors. I see vacant and underutilized lots in cities and towns across the country that could offer overnight stays while bringing income into their communities. I’m approaching my hometown leadership in the weeks ahead about this very subject. I’d be willing to partner with you and others to get an organized group started for this. Thanks for your weekly insights. I enjoy the newsletters.

  23. Occasionally, after leveling, the front entrance to our motorcoach steps are too high to step down. I decided against the folding step stools for $70. At CW, And found a sturdy, $19. Set at Harbor Freight. It was a bit high, so I removed the 4 rubber foot pads, Hacksawed off about 3 inches off each leg, replaced the rubber foot pads, and Voila! It folds, lightweight aluminum, sturdy and locking! Perfect height.

  24. I could be wrong, but wasn’t there an classic RV brand..maybe during the 60’s, that did have a pretty organized outreach program across the country for it’s group of owners? Maybe not to the extent you mention, as far as lobbying for the building of city RV parks and other RV-related infrastructure, but for scouting out locations and organizing events for, and promoting goodwill towards, it’s group of owners? I’ve been racking my brain for the last 15 minutes and can’t for the life of me remember what the brand name was. Though most likely it’s either defunct or currently owned by Thor…LOL!!


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