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Tom E
29 days ago

Aside from my post on the direct bigger issue, RVing faces the same problem Amateur Radio does… lack of leadership and vision at an Organization level. Radio even has a USA organization, the ARRL that collects membership fees, and interfaces with the FCC for licensing of operators and testing. But like RVing, Radio is anemic, lacks growth and leadership in ways that are obvious. RVing lacks an association and related leadership. First thought that comes to mind is to leverage the Sierra Club, and lobby for marketing with dues money by RVers. So while there’s talk of manufacturers, sure, but in Radio we have manufacturers and Association dropping the ball… need more than manufacturers.
PS shows like Going RV are playing all day multiple times a day… has to be driving a ton of growth for years now.

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Tom E
29 days ago

I think people are avoiding the obvious root cause. As long as we fail to address rampant population growth, we’ll continue to see EVERYTHING grow out of reach due to far more people than the subject can feasibly handle – whether that subject is Yosemite, or a local museum, or basic food and water supplies. And nobody is even talking about it. Our population in the US is already challenged, and we’ll allow it to grow double, triple, and tenfold from what we have today with nobody saying the obvious? We already cannot get in to see attractions and landmarks without long waits to years, and a dozen states rob Peter to pay Paul on serious water supply issues. Growth needs to be addressed and checked, ASAP, or life as we know and value it will be over. Population in the US is 330 million. You think building RV parks is going to solve one symptom… try to find a park site when we have 660 million, or 1.2 billion plus plus… we’re fast on our way. Missing the Forrest for the Trees.

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Michael
29 days ago
Reply to  Tom E

Absolutely. The population explosion is at the base of most of civilation’s problems: Climate change, crowded freeways, famines, polution, and more.

butch morgan
27 days ago
Reply to  Michael

3000 abortions are performed every day !!!!!!

Keira B
29 days ago
Reply to  Tom E

Yes, but how do you solve that problem?

Tom E
28 days ago
Reply to  Keira B

Have to start holding political parties accountable to tangible platform goals, and tell them they need to act. Right now, no political party will touch “hot potato” topics, and are doing nothing to further Mankind’s future. That needs to change. People need to care enough to start being active and voicing to politicians expectations and accountability.

Connie VH
30 days ago

Beautiful Pet of the Day!! Reminds me so much of our Keeshond, Misty, who we lost on Thanksgiving Day in 2017….due to happily old age of 14. She always had that smile too. Please give Owen a big hug from us!

Vic
30 days ago

Started our day in New Mexico CG on route 66 it wasn’t half full. Headed east on I 40 past several CG with only a few campers. Got to state park in Oklahoma it’s packed. In our travels last two years it’s the destination CG that’s full rarely the stop over unless it’s has a lot of permanent residents with rvs that haven’t moved in years and that’s what old parking lot CG would quickly turn into. After reading Mrs James article on building CG just imagine a Walmart coming to town and letting people camp for free. It’s a more complex problem than opening CG in a place no one wants to visit.

Mike Whelan
30 days ago

I am rather surprised that Walmart has not take advantage of their vast parking lots and added power stations for an overnight stay and charge 10 or 15 bucks. We are all staying there now for free. I am sure many of us would pay a reasonable fee to have power during our Wal-docking stays. I have used the Ohio Turnpike overnight RV rest stops. Very convenient and nice to have power, level and relative quiet. The idea of city mall parking is ripe for an entrepreneur to go town to town and make use of mall parking lots to add money to the city coffers. Nah, I am going to stay retired this time. 🙂

Drew
30 days ago

I think the answer to getting more rv parks might be the same as was the answer to Mc Donalds’ success.- Make it something that no one has yet. KOA has some of those answers but I’m not informed about what they’re doing lately. Some of Chuck’s ideas in the past sounded good to me. One of them was to build parks that had no frills. I’ve heard of a few people doing this but just here and there. I’m not sure about the “rv park ambassador” concept.- It makes me think about a program on 60 minutes years ago where the Walmart Team set out to build one of their stores in a community that didn’t have one yet. It’s not that I disapprove of rv parks- I like them and would welcome more than one in our town. I hope that someone can make this concept a success.

Veronica
30 days ago

Chuck, in the piper article, I agree with you. The very first time I went to a Walmart to park I asked the manager why they allow us to use the lot, he said every RV spends over $100. When they come in, so it’s good business. Imagine if the small towns put up a lot for us to use and the money we would put into those towns

Melanie
30 days ago

We’ve been taking advantage of Boondocker’s Welcome. For $50/year, you can stay at a host site with all the privacy you want or need. If you’re willing to let people park overnight in your driveway or extra space on your yard and be a host yourself, you can sign up for $25/year. Usually the hosts have electricity and sometimes water. You offer them something for those conveniences; sometimes they’ll accept being paid and sometimes not. At most, it’s cost us $5 per night for electricity. It’s a great way to meet fellow RVers and learn hints and tips from each other. If you plan ahead, you can find hosts all across the country, even with short notice. Most are RVers themselves, so sometimes they’re home when you’re there and sometimes not. This has been an answer to prayer for us since the campgrounds are always so packed and reservations so hard to get.

Allan Bornestig
30 days ago

Yes, Dame Vera Lynn brings tears to my eyes.I was born 1938.Dad was in Swedish Army for eight years.At 7 PM every body was glued to the radio to hear Winston Churchill or Hitler making speeches.When bombs were dropped in Oslo Norway in the night we were outside on the lawn listening and worrying.

Greg Jones
30 days ago

Chuck, some interesting Ideas. If someone takes on the Ambassador role, two things to offer.

1) Also talk with FEMA about grants. I think a very good argument can be made that small town RV parks would be positive infrastructure during emergencies… see resent hurricanes for examples.

2) If you combined an RV connection with a charging station, even if just for electricity would add almost nothing to the cost of the post… Could even make them smart so the RV portion wouldn’t turn on until the mall if that was ever important.

Stay safe…

Greg Jones
30 days ago
Reply to  Greg Jones

Hate to reply to myself, but another piece might be to start with “routes” and the towns along them. Rt-66 is obvious, the Lewis and Clark trail and the old cattle and wagon train trails are some others. Similar opportunities in the east, revolution and civil war sites and many more. A National Park trail would be good and that one could have a lot of simple overnight stops just to get there.

Of course it’s up to the RVers to do their part. That is to be good guests in all respects. Remember maybe above all, you may be on vacation, but the town folks aren’t…

Lisa Adcox
30 days ago

I think the huge increase in people buying RVs will end. Then a year from now many will be selling their RVs. So many think oh this is cool but some find they do not like as much as many of us fulltimers. Wait a year and you can buy a used RV for a song.

Keira B
29 days ago
Reply to  Lisa Adcox

Yup, prices will fall. I think I’ll start looking for a new rig next summer.

wanderer
30 days ago

Amen about the city RV parks. I just had the privilege of using one where I could come and go freely, no application to fill out or gatehouse closing at 4 p.m. etc. It was wonderful. I dropped about $800 in the local economy, because I needed to buy stuff and get things fixed. It wasn’t a scenic resort town but it is now a favored stop and much appreciated.

I understand that private RV parks don’t need unfair competition from towns, but, since they now charge $30-50 for a crowded glorified parking space, we’ve got to have some alternatives.

Dale
30 days ago

Years ago I worked for a fellow who was a rancher. He taught me an important lesson. “Don’t stir the manure” unless you have a way to fix the stink. Back in pipers day cities were eager to accommodate him. Today. Well the article written by the folk in Arizona building their rv park pretty well answers that question. Neighborhoods and cities don’t want them.

Cheryl Bacon
30 days ago
Reply to  Dale

Exactly. So many cities do not want RV’s, overnight truckers, mobile homes and apartments too. We are living in a different world. As good as it sounds to get the RV industry involved in creating areas to camp, that door has shut. It is too late now. You might get some small towns interested, but many of them are dealing with other issues that are higher priority. Then between the cost of land and utilities now, a barebones campground will never make money in may areas. As it is there are many smaller, older barebones campgrounds now that don’t make ends meet unless they allow people to live there fulltime.

fred f
30 days ago

YOU definitely have some vision about an industry you appear to care deeply for and seemingly have passion about most all of it. You also write considerably about such. 

So, here comes the mild criticism. You whine a lot about most of it, and usually have some solutions, but don’t do anything.

This article became my breaking point. You have a damn good idea, solution to help the industry, and the American people. 

So why don’t YOU step up, and go to the manufacturers, organize them, and get YOUR idea implemented. Honestly, I know all the reasons you will not. And, I got a whole bunch more to say, except, I am not into beating dead horses, and I need to go install a couple of solar panels. 

Best to you.

PS, Don’t be a coward. Go take care of YOUR idea.

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Chuck Woodbury (@chuck)
30 days ago
Reply to  fred f

Oh, Fred F. I can’t do everything. I am a writer, and already spend way too many hours just producing our newsletters. Do you know much time it would take me to do what you are suggesting? My job, as I see it, is to inspire others to do something. That’s the most effective role I can play. Please, don’t call me a coward. That is very mean-spirited and not appreciated. If you want to call me or others names, then please find another website to read for your RV information.

Doug
30 days ago

Hotel and motel chains are another candidate to provide RV sites. I stayed at Cottonwood Suites in Glasgow, Montana with electric and water hookups and full use of the motel amenities – pool, laundry, etc. You could even arrange for a wake-up call.

Don’t count on the RV manufacturers to do anything as they have no economic incentive as they are already at mass production capacity which is where they make their money. More campgrounds won’t sell more RVs. How can you expect them to be good citizens when being a good citizen is not practiced by many citizens?

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Chuck Woodbury (@chuck)
30 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Doug, Yes, motels and hotels would be perfect places to add some spaces in their parking lots for RVs for overnight stays. We have written about this before. Not enough time for me to say anything more about your comment. It’s a topic I have written about many times before and am not finished with.

Roger
30 days ago

Sadly, I believe the problem with crowded campgrounds is self-regulating over the long term. You mentioned you’ve talked to people who are hanging up the keys in disgust with the whole situation. The more newbies, the more crowding, the more frustration and the more folks who have just had enough. It’s not one for one obviously, but we may soon join the ranks of “former RV’ers”. Planned on 10-15 years in retirement. It’s been a good run for 5 years though. Might try for a couple more just to see how it goes as we hopefully emerge from COVID.

Marilyn Haendel
30 days ago

Totally agree. Unfortunately RV parks have earned a poor reputation and communities do not want them nearby. NIMBY
Our first trip in our new to us Tiffin took us to Orlando. We stayed in a lovely wooded city RV park I found listed in a travel book. The rate was unbelievable, around $25 per night WITH complete hookups. The large private parks were getting $150 per night and were full!

Irv
30 days ago

Don’t most of the problems come from those that stay long term? Focus some new parks on tourists, and others to those staying only one night on their way through.

wanderer
30 days ago

I was wondering why towns would be so kind as to provide these parks, and realized, we are a 24-hour ‘security feature’. Not a lot of creeps hanging around public parks if there are a bunch of clean-cut RV types present.

Mike Schwab
30 days ago

Since the problem at Walmart is the longer term parking, how about a 12 hour limit, no return for 36 hours? Then travelers get to stay 1 night with long term parking moving twice a day until they find something longer stay.

tim palmer
30 days ago

As to the Walmart camping policy, there is a store near me and there has been a trailer parked there for going on three weeks now. They have red cones set around to keep people from parking near them and have their generator set up. I can’t believe the town has allowed this.

Mike Schwab
30 days ago

An RV 50A connection is a lot cheaper than a Tesla charger but does take 8 hours to fully recharge a Tesla. But would be an important boost during a 1 hour meal (??20%?? since it charges faster the lower the charge state). https://forums.tesla.com/discussion/86421/charging-at-an-rv-park